Immigration conversation

Some commentary on Are You Supporting Illegals?:

Paulie: No human being is illegal.

Amnesty might be a good start, but truly open borders would be far better.

LibertarianBlue: How so Paulie? They came here illegally

Paulie: Bad laws deserve to be broken.

LibertarianBlue: amnesty is a slap in the face to legal immigrants who went through the process the right way.

Paulie: I’m a “legal” immigrant, and it’s not a slap in my face. It was simply a matter of luck that due to cold war propaganda reasons we were considered “refugees” over people far more deserving of the term. Otherwise I would have grown up in Israel after leaving Russia. I’m glad I didn’t.

LibertarianBlue: I dont disagree that our immigration policy is fucked up with massive amounts of red tape but rewarding those who break the law isnt the way to go.

Paulie: So, change the law and let everyone in.

wolfefan: Wasn’t there an explicit proposal rejected at the time of the Constitutional Convention to make English the official language? There were a lot of people here at the time of the Revolution (many of them my ethnic and religious ancestors in PA) who did not speak English who were nevertheless citizens of the new nation.

Gene Berkman: you are correct that the time the American colonies declared independence from the UK, people spoke many languages. The first report of the Declaration of Independence was published in a German newspaper in Philadelphia.

The situation continued for many years. The first report of the founding of the Republican Party was in a German newspaper in Wisconsin.
The first edition of “Uncle Tom’s Cabin” included on the cover an ad for the German edition of the book (reproduced on the cover the Penguin Classic edition now in print).

It was not until after World War I that the situation changed. Many German newspapers closed during the war, and after the war, the first law restricting immigration was passed, in 1923.

There were of course in the same periods leading to the war newspapers published in other languages as well.

Davi Rodrigues: Unless every social program that is subsidized by US citizens, taxpayers, and residents is FIRST halted, there is no way we can just let everyone in.

Paulie: Nonsense. That’s like saying we can’t end gun control until drugs are legalized, or we can’t legalize drugs until we get rid of welfare and government involvement in medicine, or we can’t end welfare until government is out of the schools….

Truth is, immigrants work harder for less and get less welfare subsidies than those born in the US.

Yes, we should end all those subsidies, for US born or non-US born alike, but it’s not a reason to hold any other freedom hostage.

All our freedoms, all the time.

Tom Knapp: America is, and always has been, a polyglot country.

Less so after WWI, and even less so again after WWII (when the US government put 16 million men under arms and insisted that they learn to take orders in English), but still.

Within 10 minutes of my home in St. Louis, I can walk into places where the predominant language is Spanish. Within 15 minutes’ drive, there are apartment complexes where you’ll hear mostly Urdu. Within 30 minutes drive, whatever it is that Bosnians speak (40,000 Bosnian Muslim immigrants in St. Louis city). Here and there around town, enclaves of people who speak Vietnamese or Mandarin. Within a couple of hours’ drive, Amish who speak mostly (I think) “Low Dutch.”

In larger cities, all of the above (plus Russian, Yiddish, German, etc.), only more so.

English has always been the predominant language, but there’s no particular reason it should be a privileged or government-enforced language.

If we’re going to enforce borders, the one measure I’d like to see implemented is that if you leave the US to work in the District of Columbia, you can’t come back.

P; So….what do you think?



Paulie Cannoli: Paulie was born in Siberia, part of the former USSR in 1972 and the USA is reminding him more of the country his parents took him out of every day. Growing up in the epicenter of the 1980s crack cocaine explosion in NYC, Paulie got caught up in the available business ventures and saw some of his friends die, and then became an activist against the drug war.Through his involvement in the drug peace movement, and college studies in free market environmentalism, he became interested in libertarianism, and abandoned the Democrats after they picked the military-industrial-corporate-statist DLCer and drug warrior hypocrite Bill Clinton as their nominee in 1992, thus finally disproving the idea that 60s radicals were merely infiltrating the establishment in order to change it.Paulie became an LP member in 1995 and a life member in 2000, and has occasionally been on the executive committee of the Alabama LP. Since 1998, he has traveled the country as a professional activist. Between that and his earlier travels in the import-export business as a teenager, he has been to 49 US states and about 20 countries, and lived in a number of them. As a life long entrepreneur, he has also started hundreds of businesses in a wide variety of fields.Paulie recently worked on the Steve Kubby for President campaign, has been an active member of the Libertarian Party Radical Caucus, is an advisory board member of Liberty Consulting, and hopes to start a new national College Libertarian Organizing Committee.He is an Anti-war, true leftist, anarchist, left libertarian, agorist, (r)evolutionary.More info here.

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