Tasteless Speech is Free, Police Barriers Aren’t

Fred Phelps, the angry self-avowed anti-gay, anti-troops, and anti-America pastor who recently commented here in favor of a fundamentalist Jewish church’s plan to pay $5,000 for killing gay people, may want to save his money. Because it seems his virulently hateful group — Westboro Baptist Church — is set to receive a $5,000 bill from Flint, Michigan for police protection, when they never showed up:

The controversial group – who say military deaths are God’s retribution for the country’s failure to condemn homosexuality – planned to demonstrate at the July 1 memorial service for fallen Marine Lance Cpl. Brandon Webb of Swartz Creek. But they didn’t show up, and now they’ll be charged more than $5,000 for the cost of providing security.

Mundy Township’s message: You don’t show up, you pay up.

Police were ready for the notorious protesters – who demonstrate at military funerals across the country, hurling insults at mourners and spitting on American flags – at Webb’s memorial service at Swartz Funeral Home. But the church members, who had told authorities they were coming in a letter dated June 28, never appeared.

Police Chief David Guigear said Westboro’s failure to show broke a verbal contract with the township for security services.

“They didn’t even give me a courtesy call to say they weren’t coming,” he said.

Of course, don’t ask Phelps to be a stand-up guy about it, as he’s laughing at the bill: “If they do anything as foolish as (sending a bill), I’ll laugh all the way to the trash can.”

To be clear, I’m not totally certain that he should have to pay, unless of course his group implicity requested police protection (it sounds as though they did). But if in fact they did and Phelps is reneging on his, I hope future cities take note and defer their police protection for the group’s hateful gathering.

Stephen VanDyke

I've published HoT along with about 300+ friends since 2002. We're all Americans who are snarky and love our country. I'm a libertarian that registered Republican because I like to win elections. That's pretty much it.

  1. This moron and his crew threatened to show up at a military funeral in my hometown of Republic, Missouri, but they chickenshitted out at the last minute… thankfully, in part, to the presence of the Patriot Guard motorcyle folks. God love ’em.

  2. It’s a tough call, though. If you had printed this exact same article, except you were talking about a group protesting something I believed in, I would angry at the police’s stance.

  3. “Everyone has a right to free speech. But I’m not quite sure everyone has a right not to have their asses kicked.”

    Great quote. I love it.

  4. Unfortunately, even as we sit here and are disgusted by this thing, FPhelps, he is reading our discussion and getting a hard-on.

    Can someone clarify for me, did the people of the “church” request police protection or was the protection for the family of the deceased?

    Julian-I adore the Patriot Guard. THERE is a group of amazing people!

  5. I just can’t help suspecting that Phelps is really a gay activist masquerading as an anti-gay nut job to discredit intolerance. I mean, he can’t actually be for real, can he?

    But then, I also suspect Michael Savage’s talk show is a one giant put-on.

  6. Matthew 13:57 And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.

    You know why you hate the Westboro Baptist Church. You know that they are telling you the truth. You hate God and He hates you with a divine hate not like our human hate, but one that will damn you to hell for all of eternity!

  7. HA HA!! I knew one of those freaks was reading our discussion!!! Just goes to show that they are crazy fruit loops on a really bad acid trip. I used to be a member of a Baptist church and as rigid and conservative as they are in general, I can say that all Baptists across the world are outraged and ashamed of the horribly UN-Christian acts of this “church”.

    Mike–I think you nailed it.

    Tachmonite-There is absolutely nothing wrong with being gay. Just come out and be loved…

  8. You also hate them because you hate God.

    Matthew 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
    45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

  9. Are you sure these are the actual guys and not some trolls/regulars masquerading for laughs?

  10. Tachmonite

    I don’t get the connection between deceased soldiers and your hate for homosexuals. What do they have to do with it?

  11. God hates fags. This nation turned the government into the hands of the fags. Therefore God hates this nation. His eternal wrath abides on this nation for that. God is punishing this nation. Not to mention that the military is in it’s entirety fags or fag enablers.

    For furthur info, go to thesignsofthetimes.net or just click on my name!!!!

  12. Tachmonite

    I know who you really are and why you are so hateful:

    Your bisexual mother gave you and your sibling up for adoption after your unknown father(s) refused to support both of you. She also ran off with her butch girlfriend.

    You were caught four times having sex with your sibling when teens.

    Your foster parents rejected both of you and split the two of you up. You spent 4 years in an orphanage for incorrugable teens where you were caught in a homosexual act with another resident.

    You joined the army at 18 but could not complete basic training because you cried the entire time.

    You are unable to contain your bowels so have to wear diapers as an adult.

    Fred Phelps has offered you sanctuary as you promised not to tell about your past.

    Gotcha! You had no idea you left a trail like a snail and are as phony as they come. I cannot believe you even imagined you could get away with deception. I found you again.

    Detective Joe Smalls (Retired)
    Topeka, K

  13. “You know you should go to thesignsofthetimes.net! It’s really cool”

    So… how is it “cool” to protest at the funerals of soldiers? To put the surviving families in turmoil? To insinuate the dead soldiers were gay?

    We know, Tachmonite, you can’t help it. Your parents grew up in the same household. They didn’t beat you enough when you were a child. And, even though they got divorced, they were still brother and sister, and they still did their best to teach you their version of the Word.

  14. The fart guard is just a bunch of farting, burping, vets that were mad that they got no glory when they got back from their wars so they are trying to get it now. They will go to hell for all that they have done to the WBC and to all of mankind. THEY HATE EVERYONE! Or else they would be out there telling you that you are sinning your way to HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  15. WOW!!!!

    Proverbs 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
    Proverbs 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

    I will not even talk about your filthy, vile, evil, folly about the saints of God except for this: YOU WILL BURN IN HELL FOR ALL YOU DO TO THEM!

    Now Keith, I will answer your folly lest you be wise in your own conciet. Yes it is cool to go to soldiers funerals and spread God’s word. This war is not about us. IT IS GOD’S BATTLE! He will fight it for us. We don’t even have to show up and our message is all over the media and will not get off!!!! So much for the fart guard!!

  16. What sense does it make to drive all the way to a funeral on a motorcycle and get off just to ignore God’s messengers???? YOU CAN’

  17. Ok, this has turned into something way off topic. And as expected someone is trying to get their fifteen minutes.

    Back on topic, I hope the police in the township get their money or get to at least refuse any further requests for protection, though I am certain that if the police were to refuse all hell would break loose since this group’s “rights” are at risk. I am believe that police protection is valuable at such gatherings, but that the “people” of this “church” are getting something for nothing. Tax payers pay the salaries of the cops and I will bet money that 99.9999% of them would disagree with this “group” getting protection.

    If this “church” wants protection, they should have to hire private security. Period.

  18. The bottome line of this story is that those evil cops said that if we entered the city, we would be on private property. NOTHING ELSE MATTERS! They don’t like what we say so they are going to abuse their powers and lie about CITY EASEMENT! We always obey the human laws. God put those laws in place for us to follow. Hell isn’t running out of room!

  19. They should have to pay back the city in Michigan and I hope it is enforced. They can do a judgement if the bill is thrown away. I resent our tax dollars providing vans and police protection for these vigilants. They are not protestors at all they are harassers.

  20. I wanted to shed some lite on Fred Phelps and the looneys. In letters and information by a reporter on a web page uncovered the families sordid past. Fred physically and emotionally abused his 13 children and wife for years. Letters the reporter posted are from the children that left and they describe a very abusive childhood. The cycle does usually continue and maybe social services should take a look at the current children??

  21. First of all, we do pay taxes just as any other person in America.

    Second, nothing you say or do will change God’s mind about America. You have turned your backs on God and spit in his face. THERE IS NO REPENTANCE FOR YOU NOW. God hates you and you hate Him because you hate His servants.