Stop the ACLU Needs to be Stopped

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Flex Your Rights, the people behind the popular (in student and libertarian circles, at least) DVD Busted, was just mistaken for being the ACLU. This article was the source for the bad information provided. Flex Your Right’s response is here. While Stop the ACLU retracted the portion about Busted being an ACLU film, their commentary on the general topic is pretty scary.

Now, here is where I really started having a problem:

The video also showed a segment where a young woman hosting a party got herself into a world of trouble when a guest allowed police to enter her home and find drug paraphernalia.

According to the ACLU video, however, “getting busted is no party.”

They suggested a number of ways the young woman in the video, and viewers, could protect herself from a police violation of her rights. The ACLU recommended that partiers:

– Know who is at the party and what they are doing.

– Keep paraphernalia and other illegal articles out of view of police.

Lets stop right there for a moment. Notice that the ACLU did not suggest the best method to keep out of trouble at a party; obeying the law. Instead they told the kids to keep their drug paraphernailia well hidden, in essense not only condoning the criminal activity of possessing it, but also of concealing it. They go on to even offer suggestions on how to do so.

If the law is unjust, why the hell should it be obeyed? Would Stop the ACLU have supported Jim Crow laws merely because it was the law? Would they have supported the internment of the Japanese because it’s the law? If the police pick you as a random target for a beating (or shoving a nightstick up your ass), don’t resist. After all, they are the law.

19 Comments
  1. If the law is unjust, why the hell should it be obeyed?

    Because it’s the law.

    Would Stop the ACLU have supported Jim Crow laws merely because it was the law?

    Oh yes, they would.

    Would they have supported the internment of the Japanese because it’s the law?

    They would and they probably did.

    If the police pick you as a random target for a beating (or shoving a nightstick up your ass), don’t resist. After all, they are the law.

    They get off on this sort of thing.

    Now the ACLU has some boneheaded ideas about certain civil rights that they SHOULD be protecting, but aren’t, and certain things that aren’t rights at all that they argue for, and SHOULDN’T, but on occasion they get things right.

    But you missed the most important quote from Stop the ACLU’s little rant:

    Only morally responsible individuals are capable of exercising their rights in a way that is truly liberating, and this magnifies into society. Morally irresponsible individuals do not use rights, they abuse them, which unavoidably leads to others losing their rights in the process. The social order that is best suited to the establishment of liberty is one that respects a balance between the social authority of mediating institutions and the rights of individuals.

    Now where have I heard that before?

  2. The ACLU is absolutely right. They know that drug prohibition is completely antithetical to individual rights. Immoral laws should be broken.

    I’ve been arguing this point with many of the fascists who lurk marijuana.com who say that people like Marc Emery deserve what is coming to them because they broke US law. If the law is unjust and immoral, like all laws against victimless “crimes” are, then there is nothing wrong with breaking those laws. Yes, if you break an unjust law you might not be surprised if you get punished for it, but you by no means deserve to be punished.

    I just love it when Republicans tell me that if people put their own code of morality above the law, there would be chaos and anarchy. These people are no different than communists who believe that the state is absolute. I’ve said it time and time again: Conservatives are the true enemies of liberty.

  3. Stop the ACLU is a truly a fascist organization. I do my best to ignore them.

    I guaran-damn-tee you every single member of stop the ACLU supported the legislature’s intervention in the Terri Schiavo.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if those theocrats were outside the hospice picketing

  4. Because it’s the law.

    It’s an edict, or diktat. Calling it law is giving them too much credit.

    people like Marc Emery deserve what is coming to them because they broke US law.

    What makes Marc Emery suject to “US law”? Apparently it is international in scope, applying to people no matter where they live or what regime claims them as subjects.

    Immoral laws should be broken.

    Bingo.

    I just love it when Republicans tell me that if people put their own code of morality above the law, there would be chaos and anarchy. These people are no different than communists who believe that the state is absolute. I’ve said it time and time again: Conservatives are the true enemies of liberty.

    Not, only that, but they’re craaaazy!

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/two-brains.html

    And Rockwell doesn’t even get into their immoral “moral” views.

    Absolutely. Have we learned nothing from the trials of nazi war criminals?

  5. TDV,

    I can’t speak for everywhere, but here in Alabama, there are a lot of libertarians in significants positions in the state ACLU.

  6. The folks at Stop The ACLU are sadly deluded. They think the ACLU is a communist organization? Now I don’t agree with every single cause that the ACLU champions, but they are strong defenders of civil liberties and opponents of the police state.

  7. Typical brownshirt conservative legal positivism. These people are out-and-out brownshirts. Does anyone need anymore evidence?

    I may do an anti-conservative website yet; explaining the conservative mentality and how it is the ideology of confused hypocricy and self righteous contradiction.

    Didn’t Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. tell us that it is our DUTY to disobey unjust laws? Sorry, but I am still not smoking pot! Nonetheless, civily disobedient people belong in the electric chair, according to conservatives.

  8. This is the reason I can’t even read these people’s shit anymore. The level of stupidity is almost too much to bear at this point. As for me, this weekend I’m having a party…

  9. Zach, don’t do it! Don’t you know your house is public property as the Kelo decision proved? That’s why you can be arrested for serving drinks to people who are intoxicated in public. Even in your own house, naturally, it’s all logical.

    We’re living in a Alice In Wonderland world peopled with
    Red State Fascists.

    Some of these whackos even think they’re libertarians, just to add insult to injury. I wonder what they will think when they end up in their own FEMA concentration camps for guilt by association.

    Will they be prisoners, kapos, or guards?

    On second thought I will have a drink to drown all this out.

  10. I find it ironic that those who want to stop the ACLU, because it brings civil rights cases to court, fully endorse the ACLJ (The American Center for Law and Justice) — a law firm founded by Pat Robertson to represent Christians in church-state cases.Another fine example of sanctimonious religious hypocrites!

  11. given what I know about the ACLU, STACLU is engaging in straw man at its best. you see, the ACLU really doesn’t care too much for 4th amendment issues. in fact, they pretty much think the bill of rights only has one amendment, the first, and stop reading there. and yes, virginia, the ACLU DID support the japanese internment camps

  12. John,

    I’ve never seen evidence of ACLU support for internment camps. I’d love a link or reference.

  13. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) was the only national organization to oppose the internment of Japanese Americans by the U.S. government during World War II (1939–1945). In 1944 the ACLU defended Fred Korematsu, an American-born citizen of Japanese ancestry, who was given a five-year prison sentence for refusing to move to an internment camp. The ACLU argued that an individual’s civil rights should not be violated during wartime.

    http://encarta.msn.com/media_461562496/Japanese_American_Internment_Camps.html

  14. Stop the ACLU is truly singular among political sites for their especial dedication to completely mindless, belligerant, neanderthal conversation.

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    Immediately after this was posted, I went directly over there and asked, “Wait a minute. Exactly whose morals do I have to follow in order to be free?”

    As of now, there is no reply.

  16. john g4lt

    I agree with you. The ACLU stops at the First Amendment. They absolutely will not support or become involved in Second Amendment issues because I suspect most of the members or at least ACLU lawyers are really opposed to the right to bear arms and would prefer that Amendment be deleted.

    Someone please reference one Second Amendment case the ACLU has defended. I cannot find one but maybe I am looking in the wrong places.

    Until the ACLU accepts the Constitution in its entirety, then as far as I am concerned, they are just a bunch of hypocrites.

    As for them supporting all groups such as White Aryans, Nazis and Ku Klux Klan, they give token service to that so they can legitimatize their real agenda, total support of theoretical communism, anarchism, and socialism in their pure forms.