Keeping Big Brother Out of My Hot Tub

So, libertarians: It’s time to get out of that hot tub! Put down that wrench! And start thinking about how you’re going to reclaim your rightful place in the conservative coalition.“– Ryan Sager

Ryan Sager wrote an interesting article yesterday suggesting that, as Nick Gillespie words it, libertarians “are as ‘politically impotent’ as Bob Dole sans Viagra, Pepsi, and Britney Spears commercials.” Sager suggests that we should pop the GOP Viagra (which, interestingly enough, is a blue pill) in order to “reclaim [our] rightful place in the conservative coalition.”

Sager’s general theme seems to be that libertarians should form a coalition with conservatives to force the Republican Party to become more fiscally responsible. The Cranky Insomniac suggests that it will be difficult for such a coalition to work because of the influence of the religious right in the conservative movement:

If these people feel strongly enough about these issues to join the party least likely to match their economic views, there’s no way in hell they’re “coming home” to the modern avatar of the Republican party unless the party fundamentally alters its relationship with fundamentalists. And it’s here that the libertarians lose the numbers game, at least as long as 60% of them will seemingly vote Republican regardless of in what direction the party moves. To do what it would have to do to get these Democratic libertarians to come its way, the GOP would more than likely lose much of its vaunted “base,” a loss that would hurt it far more than losing those libertarians does.

I’m in general agreement with Cranky. The issues which seperate libertarians from “traditional” conservatives are the ones people often become the most emotional about: Gay rights, abortion, civil liberties, foreign policy and drug policy.

I note that Sager suggests that libertarians align with the Republican Party, but I didn’t notice him suggesting any sort of alliance with the Democrats. I’d argue that aligning with the left makes more sense at the moment. This is not because the left has any valid claims of moral superiority (they don’t), but because they are out of power and wish to regain it. I’d expect them to govern just as poorly as Republicans if they win back control of Congress, though. But at least some of them are campaigning about the right things, while most Republicans are focusing on gay bashing or treading on the edge of racism with respect to immigration policy.

The Howard Dean campaign was certainly more libertarian than the Bush campaign. Dean was embraced by the NRA and cut spending in Vermont. The GOP has made no progress in the restoration of Second Amendment rights, despite controlling both houses of Congress and the White House. As a matter of fact, Bush had stated his intention to sign an extension of the Assault Weapons Ban. While Republicans might have rightfully complained about Dean’s single-payer health care plan, they seem to forget that the GOP just passed what Ron Paul called “the single largest expansion of the federal welfare state since the Great Society programs of the 1960s.”

I doubt that libertarians and groups on the left could maintain an effective coalition for very long. Despite it’s poor electoral track record, I don’t see any long-term libertarian home outside of the independent movement or Libertarian Party.

Sager commented that I accused him of being a conservative. He totally ignored third party and independent solutions or coalitions in his article. He never looked at the left side of the arguments or even approached issues like how to keep the government out of our hot tubs. Using the traditional two party spectrum, right is conservative. If the shoe fits…

While being able to afford a hot tub is crucial to libertarians, knowing that what happens in the hot tub stays in the hot tub is equally important.

Sorry about the mental image on that one, but you get the point.

Stephen Gordon

I like tasteful cigars, private property, American whiskey, fast cars, hot women, pre-bailout Jeeps, fine dining, worthwhile literature, low taxes, original music, personal privacy and self-defense rights -- but not necessarily in this order.

  1. The Republican Party has not promoted less government since the Goldwater campaign in 1964. Nixon expanded government, Ronald Reagan had a mixed record of tax cuts & the war on drugs; the Bush dynasty has been totally committed to expanding government.

    We need an independent Libertarian movement with a more rational strategy than running pointless campaigns for Presidential candidates who lack credentials and resources. Sometimes we need to allie with left-liberals on civil liberties issues, and principled conservatives on tax issues.

    Several attempts to create a libertarian faction in the Republican Party, despite some successes, have not prevented a continuing move toward big government by the Republican Party.

    The latest Republican Liberty Caucus report on Congress claims 10 libertarian Republicans in the Senate- yet every Republican Senator voted for the Patriot Act, and all but one voted for the Iraq War.

    We need a strategy that ccan work with limited resources.

  2. Nobody that has a brain actually beleives that it is remotely productive for libertarians to help the GOP achieve anything at all. Where in the hell has everyone been for AT LEAST the past 5 years? The GOP has no interest in anything that libertarians are interested in and what’s worse, they have absolutely no incentive. The GOPers are just antsy about the coming elections and want to continue to take full advantage of libertarians while marginalizing them and bashing them. Any libertarian that even considers taking abuse from the GOP without even a reach-around deserves totalitarianism. No sane or rational person would ally with the brown shirts. I love how the GOPers always suggest that we kiss THEIR asses unconditionally and beg to get a crumb that we know we will never get from them. There isn’t even a remotely logical reason, what in the hell is supposed to be in it for us? Selfish bastards. See my earlier remarks on this. In summary: FUCK THE GOP! FUCK CONSERVATISM!

  3. The worst thing a liberty-loving voter can do is vote R or D. It sends that party the message that they can safely take you for gratned. After all- they just got your vote without having to deliver.

    The only way to pull the GOP to the right on fiscal matters is to withdraw the votes and dollars and put them where they belong- with the Libertarian Party. That puts something at stake for the GOP. Likewise for those who vote Democrat on social issues.

    There are wasted votes in November. If you wanted smaller government and smaller budgets and voted Republican, *you* wasted your vote. If you wanted less intrusive government and wider civil liberties and voted Democrat, *you* wasted your vote.