It’s in the Koran, Among Other Places

this bud\'s for you, allahTrevor over at the will to exist blog posted a link to this funny little music video called It’s in the Koran. The gist is that extremist muslims are simply reading the Koran (or Qu’ran, whatev) literally and doing as their Allah bids them. I have no beef with it, I laughed and I bet you will too, unless you’re a Muslim, in which case keep reading (or, considering the smackdown that we regularly lay down upon uptight people of any religion, you might want to go back whatever direction you came from).

What’s funny is that some of these pro-war people (and by pro-war I mean adventurous invasions like Iraq, Iran, Syria, not the retaliation in Afghanistan) think that we’re gonna buy this whole Islamic religious extremism as an excuse to be at war with half the Middle East. And that got me thinking: boy, there’s a whole bunch of idiots at war with each other.

The great conspiracy of 9/11 for the right is that there’s a global islamo-fascist conspiracy to topple the West. And the great conspiracy of 9/11 for the left is that there’s a global capitalism-fascist conspiracy to rule the world. Both are laughable in their overreaching ability to extend super-human abilities to the other side. Personally I don’t see George Bush or Osama bin Laden as being very bright, just charismatic in extending their message. Of course I speak from the rational position of wanting to kill OBL and anyone who calls themselves Al Qaida, and wipe my hands of the whole thing, but that’s me.

Here’s a fact, using religion and its texts as an excuse for extreme acts is as old as the dirt we stand on. Since the first day some dude decided to pray to a sun god, there was probably another dude chillin in the shade ready to slit his throat for not paying the right homage to his river god. They probably waged wars over that kind of thing for centuries. Just guessing.

So let’s dispense with the faux shock at religious extremism, islamic or otherwise and take a look at the root of the problem: willful ignorace of reality. Both sides are guilty of allowing their perception of reality to be shaped by their own worst fears of the other side, and in the end both end up fighting a bogeyman.

21 Comments
  1. True there are a lot of idiots involved in war. But I think you might be downplaying the threat just a little bit. Ask someone who had their car torched in France recently. Ask an employee of Jyllends-Posten. Ask Bob Woodward. He wasn’t at war, he was just trying to cover war.

  2. Trevor, let me respond to you point-by-point:

    1) Car torchings in France — I don’t live in France, but if anyone threatened my property here in the U.S., I guarantee they would catch a bullet from me.

    2) Jyllands-Posten the Danish newspaper that got death threats over an editorial cartoon — I don’t live in Denmark, but if anyone threatened my life here in the U.S., I guarantee they would catch a bullet from me (sense a trend?)

    3) Bob Woodward injured in Iraq bombing — He is in a war zone. If he were over here covering a militant trying to attack me and a stray bullet from my gun hit him while he was embedded with them, I wouldn’t apologize.

    I’ve said it tons of times now: go after the militants who attacked us and utterly annihilate them, go into any country, Afghanistan, Pakistan or Saudi Arabia where we know they are and take them out. If the governments won’t allow us, bomb them out of the way, but fuck this nation-building nonsense. Get in, kill, get out.

  3. Cont’d

    Stop policing, stop nation-building, stop meddling in government affairs around the world. Take out the enemies that attacked us and to hell with fostering democracy. Handing a man a fish doesn’t make him a fisherman, it just makes him look to you for more fish.

    if that sounds like isolationism to you and any other pro-spreading-democracy at the end of a gun, then so be it. But I for one know that the reason we are largely hated in that part of the world (or are they greeting us as liberators? you guys can’t have that one both ways) is because of our foreign policy of meddling in their affairs, building military bases all over the map and generally stomping around like we own the place.

    We’ve tried for too long to play mommy for the rest of the world and get all the kids to play nice to each other and we end up getting a black eye from one and verbal insults from the other. Know what? Fuck em both, they don’t want to play nice that’s not our problem. I know this is a cold thing to say, but at a certain point someone needs to say that we’re not here to hold everyone’s hand in the world. If people want to contribute money to human rights groups outside the US in a post-noninterventionist world, then that’s perfectly acceptable, but it’s imminently clear that fifty years of projecting military might around the world trying to baby-sit is only causing resentment and sowing the seeds of excuses for future terrorist groups.

  4. Actually, if you only answer line of questioning, please answer me this: Why do you think non-interventionism won’t work? Why can’t we have a strong military that protects the U.S. from within our borders (making sure undesirables, extremists, etc are kept out)?

    Do we have a moral obligation to bring the rest of the world the gift of liberty? Even if it means our own country declines in some liberties and is overly financially stressed?

  5. Non-interventionism worked in a world where people couldn’t reach out and annihalate each other over disagreements about ideas. Ideas that were totally contradictory and not able to coexist used to be able to live in bubbles. They can’t anymore.

    That’s not the world we live in.

    Simple as I can put it.

  6. Wouldn’t assassinations be a better weapon against terrorist instead of military police squads?

    Forcing any other country into a democracy type government doesn’t speak well of our country. You have the freedom to choose but your only choice is democracy.

    If the people in other nations want more freedoms then they have to initiate the process to aquire those freedoms. If they ask for our help, then we can decide to help them or not.

    The US is an armed door to door democracy evangelist.

  7. Trevor said “Non-interventionism worked in a world where people couldn’t reach out and annihalate each other over disagreements about ideas. Ideas that were totally contradictory and not able to coexist used to be able to live in bubbles. They can’t anymore.”

    So you believe that by the US getting into the middle of a conflict over ideas it will just solve the conflict and everybody will be happy. I don’t think so. Now they will both have someone else to hate as well.

    This is exactly our problem. We get ourselves in the middle of something that we do not understand and cannot do anything about. The only way you can bomb the ideas out of people is by killing them. If your idea of a proper foreign policy is going around killing everyone who has different ideas than we do, then you live in the wrong country. Well maybe not. We seem to be the only country actually killing non-citizens not for our defense, but because we meddle in everyone elses affairs.

  8. Vicne(sic),

    heh, to be fair, there are multiple spellings of boogey man (the other I’ve seen is boogie man).

    But the bogeyman. He’s the most feared of all! He not only terrorizes ya, he throws your ball in the fucking water.

  9. I am going to a anitwar rally Sat. and will hold up a flag saying the soliders are the real murders and we should show them how we are as antiwar people. We are letting the murderers get away with killing babys and old people and it has to be stopped soon or else in this country.

  10. You want is really ironic, the Neocons say they want to combat terrorism so much, yet what they don’t realize is that anti-american terrorism is the result of us getting involved in other countries afairs in the first place.

    It’s like we are running in circles.

  11. From 1945 to 2005, the United States attempted to overthrow 50 governments, many of them
    democracies, and to crush 30 popular movements fighting tyrannical regimes. In the process,
    25 countries were bombed, causing the loss of several million lives and the despair of
    millions more.” (Thanks to William Blum’s Rogue State, published by Common Courage
    Press.)
    NOW THAT’S FUCKING EXTREMISM!

  12. I’ll agree that we meddle too much.

    However, I must work with the legacy left by the meddlers. Allowing Islamic fundamentalist crusaders to grow their cancerous theology and spread it is not in my interests or yours. They’ll kill pro and anti war Americans with absolutely zero differentiation between the two. Do you think they give a rat’s ass whether or not you supported the war? If you do, you need a reality check.

  13. They’ll kill pro and anti war Americans with absolutely zero differentiation between the two. Do you think they give a rat’s ass whether or not you supported the war? If you do, you need a reality check.

    No, they probably don’t care about that Trevor.

    But I’ll tell you this much, if we would just get the hell out of their countries they would more than likely leave us the hell alone. A strong national defense is what it needed. Not an aggressive international offense.

    The choas in the Middle East is the Middle East’s problem, not ours. And we certainly are going to “win their hearts and minds” by bombing their countries and killing their civilians accidentally in the name of spreading freedom and democracy.

  14. *the Neocons say they want to combat terrorism so much, yet what they don’t realize is that anti-american terrorism is the result of us getting involved in other countries afairs in the first place.*
    Bingo! You hit the nail right on it’s flat little head.
    Nobody in mainstream media talks about it, and most people don’t even bring that into consideration. That is the plain and simple truth. Our CIA has openly admitted to planning state sponsored terrorism in almost every country in the world, including ours. Can you blame those people for wishing us away?

  15. Mr. Right, where are you going to be today? Do you have children? You better keep them away from soldiers. They are baby killers, as you call them and may want to harm them, the monsters they are. Kiss my ass.

  16. Normally I don’t call people out for fake posting, but this is fucking annoying and you need to stop:

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    Stop being an asshat, dude.

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