Democrats target “wrong” write-in in TX-22

TX-22 DCCC mailer

This is so damn clever, I wish the LP could came up with ideas like this (more images at the link):

The candidate, Shelley Sekula-Gibbs, is upset about a mailer the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee recently spent $50,000 to send to voters in her district, TX-22 — but not because the mailer attacks her. The DCCC targets another Don Richardson, another GOP candidate who’s trailing badly in polls. In its mailer, the DCCC attacks him for being “too conservative” for the district.

The DCCC won’t discuss its strategy here, but it’s pretty transparent: They’re hoping to boost Richardson’s name recognition and help him peel votes away from Sekula-Gibbs, who is the GOP-endorsed nominee. (DeLay’s botched late resignation, you might remember, has left Republicans without a candidate on the ballot — so Sekula-Gibbs, the GOP’s endorsed write-in nominee, has been forced to compete with Richardson and Libertarian Bob Smithers for every conservative voter she can get.)

I’m not sure if their plan will work, but if it splits those write-in Republican voters who won’t vote for anyone else then both Lampson and Smither stand to gain substantially from this move.

92 Comments
  1. Timothy West: I think that’s the point of the mailer. Kind of like “oh noes, please don’t vote for this guy, whatever you do” wink wink nod nod :)

  2. Good thinking. This could even benefit Smither by “taking votes” away from Sekula-Gibbs. Of course, it won’t matter on the count, since Smither will be lucky to pull of 10%, but if I’m wrong, every little bit will help.

  3. This is an absolutely brillant political tactic by the Democrats. I hate most Dems, but I deeply admire their political accuemen.

    It hurts Sekula-Gibbs bigtime. But a wash for us Smither supporters. I think it neither helps nor hurts Bob in the race.

    Still predicint Bob gets 28%, Sekula-Gibbs 15%, and Lampson wins with the rest.

    An outside shot that Bob has a chance to win. Still keeping my fingers crossed.

  4. This is only the tip of the iceberg of Democrat shenanigans, some legal, some barely legal.

    5 ACORNers have just been indicted in Missouri for voter fraud. They were petitioning for Minimum Wage and paid for that drive, yet walked precincts for Dem Clair McCaskill.

    These were the same bastards that blocked us libertarian petitioners in Missouri, Nebraska, Nevada and Montana over the summer.

    Full story at http://www.redstate.com

  5. What would a mailer to registered Republicans cost Smither?
    Show a two-way mock ballot, with checkmark on Smither, warning Lampson is too liberal for the district and Smither
    can help keep the Dems from winning the House. Don’t mention hyphen lady. You can get a certain number of Republicans will go in the voting booth, see Smither’s name and assume he is the Republican in the race.

  6. Too conservative for Texas? He didn’t recommend executing them. Sounds like a liberal to me, at least in the Theocratic Republic of Texas.

  7. dondipshit.. Anything that takes away votes from hypen lady helps Smither. Duh. It’s not a fucking wash unless it also takes away votes from Smither himself.

    Another $25 to ACORN. But this is the last time, I swear.

  8. This is so damn clever, I wish the LP could came up with ideas like this

    YES!

    It’s definitely time the LP make a concerted effort to bring creative people into the party so ideas like this can become possible.

    Maybe we can make the LP less like the latest Al Yankovic video.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xEzGIuY7kw&NR

    Nigel: correct about South Dakota. It was hard to even get signatures for MEDICAL marijuana there. I’ve never found that to be the case anywhere else.

  9. These were the same bastards that blocked us libertarian petitioners in Missouri, Nebraska, Nevada and Montana over the summer.

    In Nebraska it was a different group, “Nebraskans for the Good Life” (at your expense).

  10. Brock, this part was good:

    …my own experience with a group affiliated with the Republican Party called the Republican Liberty Caucus. Their declared mission was to elect libertarians to office on the Republican ballot, Ron Paul being the best example. However, when I became involved with them, it seemed they were more interested in destroying the Libertarian Party than they were in electing libertarians. When they found out I was a former activist in the New Jersey Libertarian Party, some of them requested that I try to persuade other libertarians to support Republican candidates. When I refused, they virtually banished me from the group. I realized they did not want to make the Republican Party safe for libertarians. They wanted to make elections safe for Republicans.

  11. It’s all in how the vote’s counted. Seen the new HBO documentary which Diebold sued to keep off the air?

  12. Yup, Paulie finally gets one right. There’s massive voter fraud in the US conducted by Democrats.

    Here’s a very recent example:

    I’ve been petitioning at the University of Alaska – Anchorage campus for the past week for repeal of the smoking ban.

    Well, all over the UAA campus Leftists have put up and thrown on tables these clever looking postcards with vitriolic anti-Republican slogans.

    Turn the card over and there’s a message on the back:

    “If you support Democrats vote! If you’re not registered vote anyway on a Contested Ballot.”

    Seems the Democrats have these special ways to get around voting registration in elections.

    Just like in California. I got Republican registrations there a couple years ago. I speak fluent Spanish. And all the illegal Mexicans would tell me in Spanish how they were not citizens but they were still registered voters. The Dems have a deal with them. If they vote Dem, the local Dem officials won’t rat them out.

  13. As for the comment above on the RLC, yes, there was a time back in the late 1990s during the Harry Browne era when many RLCers, including myself hated the Libertarian Party. Browne IMHO was a dissaster of a candidate. Badnarik was even worse. The LP during that era moved hard-anarchist and even turned into a bit of a bunco fundraising operation for a handful of LPers.

    Since Portland, everything has changed. The LP is now professional, has honest people working at LP HQ. They are all focused on elections. They don’t spend every waking minute bashing the Republican Party.

    Nowadays, we RLCers like our friends in the LP. I hope this current climate of cooperation lasts for a long time.

    One thing that could screw it up would be for the LP to nominate a knucklehead for President in 2008 like George Phillies, Carol Moore or Badnarik.

    Bob Barr or Ed Thompson? We’ll be real happy with our friends in the LP.

  14. Dondero, I don’t usually agree with you, but in this case I do.

    Harry Browne carried himself in a “presidential” way and was a good speaker, but unfortunately came across as a kook a bit too often. I remember when a co-worker found out I was libertarian… he said that he had heard Harry Browne on NPR a few days prior and thought he was utterly, completely, batshit crazy. He really freaked my coworker out.

    Unfortunately, I thought Badnarik was quite a bit worse in that regard. I very much distanced myself from the LP during his presidential run. Sorry if this hurts anyone’s feelings, but I find him a complete embarrassment.

    It’s hard for me to get excited about any of the 2008 presidential contenders who have announced so far. Drafting Barr might be a good option, but I have serious reservations about his drug-warrior history.

  15. The vote fraud by Democrats is small potatoes compared to what the Rapepubliccons are doing. Just google “black box voting” or watch the HBO documentary next time it comes on.

  16. Badnarik and Browne weren’t so bad, although way far too focused on cozying up to conservatives for my taste.

    I supported Russo is 2004 and am supporting Kubby for 2008.

    http://kubby.com/

    http://groups.myspace.com/stevekubby

    http://knappster.blogspot.com/2006/10/first-look-2008-series-end.html

    http://knappster.blogspot.com/2006/11/some-campaign-notes.html

    Problems with Barr, from Wikipedia:

    Barr, a member of the Republican Party, is an adamant proponent of the “War on Drugs”.

    In 1998 he delivered the keynote speech at the national convention of the Council of Conservative Citizens, which is viewed by many as white supremacist.

    sponsor(ed) the Defense of Marriage Act.

    In many ways he has gotten better since leaving office, but is still far from being a true libertarian. I’m sticking with Kubby.

  17. Paulie, What??!!! You supported Russo in 2004??? That’s way out of character for you. Russo was a “Republican-leaning” Libertarian. He was the former GOP candidate for Nevada Governor. Had strong ties to the NV GOP. Big Constition Party guy.

    You hate Republicans. What gives???

    I supported Russo too, cause I viewed him as the most “Republican” of the three. Though, I liked Gary Nolan too.

  18. Derrick, great to hear. Maybe you’re a closet “mainstream libertarian?” In that case, check out my site at http://www.mainstreamlibertarian.com.

    I know y’all Barr is a bit of a tough sell to LPers, particularly on the drug war.

    Okay, if you can’t support him, could you all at least back Ed Thompson for President? If you guys ran Thompson we libertarian Republicans would most likely support you all.

    Or, maybe another mainstreamer like Judge Gray of CA, Art Olivier, Bob Smither, Don Gorman, Sheriff Masters, or someone of that caliber.

    PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, my Libertarian Party friends, DO NOT NOMINATE GEORGE PHILLIES OR SOME OTHER LOSER LIKE JACOB HORNBERGER, CAROL MOORE, L. NEIL SMITHER, ERNIE HANCOCK, OR MICHAEL BADNARIK.

    You do that, and it’s “Libertarians for Rudy” or “Libertarians for Mitt Romney” for us mainstream libertarians, guaranteed!!!

    If y’all can’t even win our support, than you will forever hover in the 200,000 to 400,000 range.

  19. Mike, that’s an insult. I friggin’ hate Democrats, with very, very few exceptions (NM Gov. Richardson, Zell Miller, Lieberman).

    They are the extreme enemy of all libertarians. They are most certainly NOT on my team.

    My whole life is dedicated to seeing that political party destroyed!!!!!!!!!!!

  20. Nolan was definitely more Republican, including being on the board of Ruffpac.

    Russo made medical marijuana, opposition to the “patriot act” and the war, support for alternative medicine, opposition to Skull and Bones and other such issues the cornerstone of his campaign.

    He spoke about these issues from the heart, and had good
    campaign commercials which were ALREADY airing in Atlanta in 2004. Unfortunately he did not get the nomination.

    He has spoken out about the truth about 9/11, the REAL ID act, and more.

    Seen his new movie?

    http://freedomtofascism.com/

  21. Eric, Don Gorman supports George Phillies. The LPNH just voted to give Phillies a pledged delegate as well, making him the first declared candidate with at least one first round vote guaranteed.

    BTW, here in NH, we have ‘libertarians’ running as Democrats too… but I notice how you ignored that fact.

  22. Eric Dondero, curious to note that you give Bill Richardson as an example of an OK Demomcrat. He alienated me immediately after taking office by demanding a signed, undated letter of resignation from every member of every board and commission in NM so he could stack these bodies with his own hacks – the epitome of political sleaze.

    Richardson was also the FIRST governor in the country to veto a bill protecting private property from the ravages made possible by Kelo vs. New London.

    He tried to score a few points by passing himself off as a tax cutter but his income tax cuts were offset by hiking other taxes and fees, so that the net effect was in reality a tax increase. And he treats tax money like it was his. GRIP, “Governor Richardson’s Investment Program” should be called TIP for “Taxpayers’ Investment Program.”

    The man has grand schemes for this state that will cost us NM taxpayers plenty.

  23. Quoth Eric Dondero:

    “[Aaron Russo] was the former GOP candidate for Nevada Governor.”

    No, he wasn’t. He was a candidate for the GOP nomination for governor. It took a lot of dirty tricks (including holding the state convention open so that “rent-a-delegates” could be bused in to vote against him) to keep him from getting the nomination, but those dirty tricks worked.

    It’s also worth noting that Russo’s flirtation with the GOP occurred during that time period –1994-2000 — when a lot of libertarians let themselves be buffaloed into thinking that the GOP might not fuck us again if we gave them another chance. By 2004, he was very much into “won’t get fooled again” territory.

    Tom Knapp

  24. “Russo made medical marijuana, opposition to the “patriot act” and the war, support for alternative medicine, opposition to Skull and Bones and other such issues the cornerstone of his campaign.

    He has spoken out about the truth about 9/11, the REAL ID act, and more.”

    So he’s a conspiracy theory nutjob. Great.

  25. “They don’t spend every waking minute bashing the Republican Party.”

    The Republican Party DESERVES to be bashed, repeatedly. One of the most frequent comments I get from people when I ask them to sign a petition is, “Do you have one to impeach Bush?”

    “One thing that could screw it up would be for the LP to nominate a knucklehead for President in 2008 like George Phillies, Carol Moore or Badnarik.”

    Say what you will about them, but George Phillies, Carol Moore, and Michael Badnarik are far from being “knuckleheads.”

  26. “So he’s a conspiracy theory nutjob. Great.

    Comment by Bill Flanigen ”” 2006-11-03 @ 11:33 pm”

    Why is somebody who doesn’t go along with government propaganda and who researches issues and thinks for themself considered to be a “conspiracy nutjob?”

    I’ve got a lot of respect for Aaron Russo. I don’t know if he’s considering running going for the LP Presidential nomination again but if he does he’d be one of my top choices.

  27. “Harry Browne carried himself in a “presidential” way and was a good speaker, but unfortunately came across as a kook a bit too often.”

    I don’t think that Harry Browne came off as a “kook” at all. He was always calm, rational, and quick witted.

    I discovered the Libertarian Party on 4th of July weekend back in 1996 after channel surfing and landing on C-SPAN. I was reading the TV guide and eating a bowl of chile and I heard this guy saying all of this stuff that expressed exactly how I felt and connecting all of the dots. That guy was Harry Browne.

    I think that Harry was one of the best speakers and writers that the party had.

  28. “Paulie, What??!!! You supported Russo in 2004??? That’s way out of character for you. Russo was a “Republican-leaning” Libertarian. He was the former GOP candidate for Nevada Governor. Had strong ties to the NV GOP. Big Constition Party guy.

    You hate Republicans. What gives???”

    So what if Russo had a stint as a Republican? Party labels are not everything, it’s more about the individual.

    I was in favor of Aaron Russo recieving the LP Presidential nomination in 2004. I thought that Russo had the most charisma and had the best chance of making a “breakthough” out of those who went for the LP nomination. I also really liked the issues that he was stressing. When I was in Austin, Texas petitioning to get the LP back on the ballot I ran into more people who knew who Aaron Russo was than who knew Michael Badnarik was and Badnarik lives in Austin and had run for office there before! The reason for that is because Aaron Russo was running commercials that were being

  29. broadcast on Radio Free Austin ( http://www.RadioFreeAustin.org ) which is the best political talk radio station that I’ve ever heard.

    I liked Michael Badnarik but he wasn’t my first choice as the LP Presidential canidate because he was less known and I thought that he’d stand less of a chance at making a breakthrough. I supported him after he recieved the nomination and I thought that he did a decent job considering his limited resources.

  30. When I ran into somebody in Austin that had heard Aaron Russo’s ads on Radio Free Austin they would say something like, “Is that for Aaron Russo?” and I’d say “Yeah.” and then they’d run up and sign, and then they’d usually repeat his “All your freedoms, all the time!” slogan.

  31. Unlike Eric, Aaron Russo has the BALLS to investigate the evidence surrounding 9/11 rather than blindly following the government’s story.

    http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/rockefeller_predicted_event_to_trigger_war_months_before_911.htm

    Exert:

    Russo also sounded off on 9/11, openly airing his view for the first time that it was a complete inside job.

    “People know that 9/11 was an inside job,” said Russo, “look what they did here in America, look at 9/11, look what they did – they killed thousands of Americans – people jumping out of windows from a hundred floors up – they don’t care,” said the director.

    “There’s no way that Building 7 came down without a controlled demolition, it takes weeks to do the controlled demolition, they couldn’t have done it in a few hours like Larry Silverstein said – it blows the whole game – concrete doesn’t turn to powder unless its exploded.”

    “We all know that 9/11 was a fraud – an inside job,” concluded Russo.

  32. Muslims couldn’t have made WTC building 7 collapse. Building 7 was not even hit by a plane and was on the other side of the freakin’ complex from WTC buildings 1 & 2!

    http://www.wtc7.net

    http://www.wtc7/videos.html

    Muslims couldn’t have made NORAD stand down.

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/911/norad.htm

    http://www.standdown.net

    The insider stock trading on the companies effected on 9/11 did not lead back to Muslims, it lead back to the CIA!

    http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/illegaltrades.html

    Who benifited from 9/11? Two Muslims countries were conquered and the Bush regime got to expand the state while their corporate cronies have made billions off the “War On Terror.”

  33. To Joe Knight,

    Bill Richardson is virtually the ONLY DEMOCRAT IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY WHO HAS ANY CLAIM TO BEING ANY SORT OF LIBERTARIAN!! No Other Democrat comes even close to Richardson.

    You’re talking to a Democrat hater here. Ask Tom Knapp. I’ve watched Richardson. I hate to say this, but he’s damn good, and if he were to run for President, I might be tempted to vote Democrat for the very first time in my life.

    How about his latest proposal to abolish income taxes for Military Personnel in NM. FAN-FUCKING-TASTIC!!!

  34. Seth, libertarians running as Democrats is counter productive. It hurts our efforts.

    Ever hear of team sports?

    Yes, there are some exceptions to the rule, like Bill Richardson of NM and Zell Miller of GA. But do the math.

    Record number of libertarian Republicans running for office this year, in the hundreds.

    How many “libertarian Democrats”?

    1, as far as I know. Frank Gonzales in Florida. You now tell me there’s a few more in NH. Okay, give me some names? Also, tell me how they are affiliated with the Libertarian Party?

    I note, not a single one of the “Vermont 5” is running as a Democrat.

  35. Paulie says voter fraud by Democrats “nothing in comparison to Republicans.”

    Really? I guess that’s why 5 ACORNers were just indicted in Missouri for massive voter fraud for the Dems.

    Don’t see any news reports of Republicans being indicted in the waning days of the election for voter fraud.

  36. Hey Seth, go with George Phillies for President in 2008.

    Guarantee you that you’ll drive away about half of the Libertarian Party.

    Look Seth, we libertarian Republicans win either way. If the Libertarian Party nominates a Bob Barr, Ed Thompson, Dennis Miller or Jesse Ventura, we libertarian Repubicans will have someone we can vote for and feel proud about.

    If the LP chooses Phillies, Carol Moore, L. Neil Smith or Jacob Hornberger, than there will be a massive outflow of Libertarians out of the LP right into the hands of the Republican Party.

    Your choice.

  37. Yupper, “9/11 was an inside job by our own government.”

    And guys, CHECK THIS OUT!!

    Yesterday, here in Anchorage I spotted this flying saucer. It landed right smack in front of me on the frozen tundra. These two Martian guys got out and zapped up this Moose into their spaceship. Then this Sesquatch came over to me and signed my petition.

    I shit you not!

    Y’know all these libertarians talking about mainstreaming the movement. Screw ’em! Let’s be as looney tunes as possible. The more mainstream American voters we drive away from libertarianism the better!

  38. Eric: on Nov 8th, a long list of winners, all endorsed by the NHLA (a non-partisan pro-liberty group here in NH), will include both Democrat and Republican winners…

  39. Eric 47: given the state of the national Republican party, I’m not all that worried about it… you cry “Don’t throw me into the briar patch” a bit too often.

  40. Quoth Eric Dondero,

    “Bill Richardson is virtually the ONLY DEMOCRAT IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY WHO HAS ANY CLAIM TO BEING ANY SORT OF LIBERTARIAN!! No Other Democrat comes even close to Richardson. You’re talking to a Democrat hater here. Ask Tom Knapp.”

    I’m not a huge fan of Richardson’s, but he’s better than most Democrats (and better than virtually any Republican). There are certainly “libertarian Democrats” both in, and running for, office (Mike Bozarth was recently elected to the St. Joseph, Missouri city council, for example). There are also libertarian-“leaning” Democrats like Richardson, Feingold, Schweitzer, et al.

    Zell Miller’s just an embarrassment to anyone he’s associated with — except, of course, for his first big political pal, the late racist agitator Lester Maddox (whom Miller worked for, as did “libertarian” shock jock Neal Boortz), who wasn’t capable of embarrassment.

    Tom Knapp

  41. So he’s a conspiracy theory nutjob. Great.

    Nothing theoretical about it. Watch the movie and refute the facts presented, please!

    One form of nuttiness is denial: ie failure to acknowledge or consider obvious facts which are staring you in the face.

    This form of nuttiness afflicts many who knee-jerk bleat “conspiracy nutjob” anytime anyone suggests a conspiracy (except the regime, which suggests conspiracies all the time, including in its official “19 Arabs with boxcutters” bullshit conspiracy fable of 9/11, as well as engages in them all the time, such as the Manhattan Project).

  42. How about his latest proposal to abolish income taxes for Military Personnel in NM.

    Only after we abolish taxes for everyone else.

    Seth, libertarians running as Democrats is counter productive. It hurts our efforts.

    Ever hear of team sports?

    This may well be true, but consider the source…

    Eric wants us to run as Republicans, a party which is on average even LESS libertarian than the Democrats:

    http://freedomdemocrats.org/node/812

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/block/block63.html

    Yes, there are some exceptions to the rule, like Bill Richardson of NM and Zell Miller of GA.

    Zell Miller is among the worst fascists in either major party.

    I don’t know much about Richardson, but from what Joe Knight says he might be as well. Certainly Lieberman is, and Eric likes him a lot too. Hmmmmmm………..

  43. Record number of libertarian Republicans running for office this year, in the hundreds.

    Except that there is nothing even remotely libertarian about most of these allegedly libertarian Republicans.

    http://freedomdemocrats.org/node/739

    Y’know all these libertarians talking about mainstreaming the movement. Screw ”˜em! Let’s be as looney tunes as possible. The more mainstream American voters we drive away from libertarianism the better!

    Eric, let’s face facts for just a minute, shall we?

    It’s the regime’s “19 Arab” conspiracy theory which is increasingly outside the mainstream.

    The 9/11 truth movement is much larger than the libertarian movement, and unlike the libertarian movement it is growing rapidly.

    It’s way, way bigger than the allegedly Libertarian Party and way, way, way, way bigger than the so-called Republican Liberty Caucus.

    Who’s mainstreaming whom?

    BTW, did you ask the Sasquatch if he was registered? Are sasquatches legal? LOL

  44. “You do that, and it’s “Libertarians for Rudy” or “Libertarians for Mitt Romney” for us mainstream libertarians, guaranteed!!!”

    I’d say that fairweather libertarians or phoney libertarians would be a more accurate name than “mainstream libertarians.”

    Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney are not even remotely close to being libertarians.

  45. “Look Seth, we libertarian Republicans win either way. If the Libertarian Party nominates a Bob Barr, Ed Thompson, Dennis Miller or Jesse Ventura, we libertarian Repubicans will have someone we can vote for and feel proud about.”

    Bob Barr shouldn’t even be considered unless he renounces his support of the drug war and does something to show that he’s serious about it, like campaigning in favor of a marijuana legalization initiative.

    Dennis Miller would be a disaster as a candidate. Real libertarians don’t kiss up to the Bush regime like Dennis has and I think that his grasp of the libertarian philosophy is about as good as Bill Maher’s which doesn’t say much.

  46. I like Jesse Ventura and I think that his instincts are good but his term as govenor was not successful from a libertarian standpoint. Jesse would need to learn a lot more about libertarian philosophy and positions before I’d consider him as an LP Presidential candidate. He should spend some time hanging out with Glenn Jacobs (aka-“Kane”) and Sean Morley (aka-“Val Venus”), two wrestlers that really are libertarians.

  47. Ed Thompson might very well make a good LP Presidential candidate. I know that his brother is in the Bush administration but this doesn’t necessarily mean anything. As far as I know, Ed’s a good guy.

  48. “And guys, CHECK THIS OUT!!

    Yesterday, here in Anchorage I spotted this flying saucer. It landed right smack in front of me on the frozen tundra. These two Martian guys got out and zapped up this Moose into their spaceship. Then this Sesquatch came over to me and signed my petition.

    I shit you not!”

    So instead of anwsering the very real questions that I brought up you dodge them and create a bullshit strawman. How about anwsering the questions instead of playing games?

    “Y’know all these libertarians talking about mainstreaming the movement. Screw ”˜em! Let’s be as looney tunes as possible. The more mainstream American voters we drive away from libertarianism the better!”

    I was at the 9/11 Truth conference in Los Angeles this past summer. There were over 1,200 people there. The Libertarian Party National Convention in Portland only had around 300 people in attendance. The 9/11 Truth Movement is rapidly expanding while the Libertarian Party has been shrinking.

  49. Andy, I’ve seen two references in the major media recently saying something to the effect, “And Guiliani has many libertarian leanings…”

    True about Romney. Haven’t seen anything suggesting he’s libertarian leaning. But on Guiliani, absolutely!

    Go check out libertarian-oriented http://www.gopprogress.com. They love Rudy over there, and will probably endorse him.

  50. Tom Knapp has just lost all manner of credibility.

    Knapp just called Brian Schweitzer a “libertarian leaner.” This is the same Governor Schweitzer who got our libertarian petitions thrown off the ballot in Montana for Property Rights, Spending Limits and Voter Recall. This is the same Schweitzer who had his Union Thugs block us petitioners in front of grocery stores, public libraries and on college campuses all across Montana.

    Schweitzer publicly blasted libertarian leaders Paul Jacob and Howie Rich mercissly over the Summer.

    Schweitzer is nothing short of an outright Fascist.

    So, witness this my Libertarian friends. Tom Knapp now describes someone who is the Number One Enemy of the entire Libertarian Movement in the USA today, as “libertarian-leaning.”

  51. Regarding New Hampshire Elected Libertarians, I just learned that the number of “libertarians” running in the State on the GOP ticket versus as Democrats is “3 to 1” according to one very high placed NH LP source.

    The source indicates that most of the LPers will be elected as Republicans including Don Gorman, who is still “nominally” an official LP member. Gorman is a shoe-in for election.

    So, if nothing else, it now appears that the Libertarian Party will be able to claim an elected State Legislator in New Hampshire come Wednesday.

    The source also indicates that a “few other LPers” are likely to win their election on the GOP ticket.

    And in some stunning news, one Libertarian may actually win election running as a Democrat. Joel Winter.

    Besides Gorman, an actualy count of elected Libertarian State Legislators will not be clear until days, possibly weeks after the election.

    Current LP Membership rolls need to be checked against election results.

  52. Andy, I’ve seen two references in the major media recently saying something to the effect, “And Guiliani has many libertarian leanings”¦”

    Are you friggin’ kiddin me?!

    Rudy, the coke-nosed fascist a libertarian? If you ever spent any time in NY you know better. There’s nothing libertarian about him – he’s a Mussolini style fascist.

    from wikipedia

    “In a well-publicized 1982 case, Giuliani testified in defense of the federal government “detention posture” of interning over 2,000 unlawfully-immigrated Haitian refugees in refugee camps, at one point stating that there was “no political repression” under President Jean-Claude “Baby Doc” Duvalier”

    “In 1983, Giuliani was appointed U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York. It was in this position that he first gained national prominence by prosecuting numerous high-profile cases, including the successful prosecutions of Wall Street figures Ivan Boesky and Michael Milken for insider trading.”

    cont

  53. “Giuliani attracted some criticism for arranging very public arrests of people, then dropping charges for lack of evidence rather than going to trial. He also spearheaded the effort to jail drug dealers…”

    “(running for mayor) Giuliani promised a return to social order, addressing day-to-day issues rather than past or imminent crises:

    The prevalence of homeless panhandlers on streets and subways.
    The squeegee men begging from motorists waiting at a light.

    Giuliani’s message focused on an alleged breakdown of social and political order…”

    In his first term as mayor, Giuliani, in conjunction with New York City Police Department Commissioner Bill Bratton, adopted an aggressive enforcement-deterrent strategy based on James Q. Wilson’s Broken Windows research. This involved crackdowns on relatively minor offenses such as graffiti, turnstile jumping, and aggressive “squeegeemen”, on the principle that this would send a message that order would be maintained, and that ….”

  54. “…the city would be “cleaned up”.

    “Giuliani continued to highlight crime reduction and law enforcement as central missions of his mayoralty throughout both terms, efforts which largely met with success. Concurrent with his achievements, a number of tragic cases of abuse of authority took place, and numerous allegations of civil rights abuses were leveled.”

    “Giuliani’s own Deputy Mayor, Rudy Washington, alleged that he had been harassed by police on several occasions. More controversial still were several police shootings of unarmed suspects, and the scandals surrounding the brutalization of Abner Louima and the killing of Amadou Diallo.”

    “In a case less nationally-publicized than those of Louima and Diallo, unarmed bar patron Patrick Dorismond was killed shortly after declining the overtures of what turned out to be an undercover officer soliciting illegal drugs. Even while hundreds of outraged New Yorkers protested, Giuliani staunchly supported the New York City Police…”

  55. “Department, going so far as to take the unprecedented step of releasing Dorismond’s “extensive criminal record” to the public…”

    “Giuliani pursued similarly aggressive real estate policies. The Times Square redevelopment project saw Times Square transformed from a seedy, run-down center for businesses ranging from tourist attractions and peep shows to a gleaming, high-priced district filled with family-oriented stores and theaters, including the MTV studios and a massive Disney store and theater. Giuliani faced some opposition to these changes, which critics alleged displaced low income residents of the area in favor of large corporations. ”

    “The 9/11 attack occurred on the scheduled date of the mayoral primary to select the Democratic and Republican candidates to succeed Giuliani. The primary was immediately delayed two weeks to September 25. During this period, Giuliani sought an unprecedented three-month emergency extension of his term, from its scheduled expiration…”

  56. “on January 1 to April 1, due to the circumstances of the emergency besetting the city. He threatened to challenge the law imposing term limits on elected New York City officials and run for another full four-year term, if the primary candidates did not consent to permit the extension of his mayoralty.”

    “Opponents viewed the extension as an unprecedented power grab and as a means for Giuliani to profit politically from the sudden, international prominence of the role of New York City Mayor”

    “After leaving the mayor’s office, Giuliani built a security consulting business…”

  57. Some Giuliani quotes:

    “Most of [Bill] Clinton’s policies are very similar to most of mine.”
    “I’m open to the possibility of supporting Democrats, [particularly] Bill Clinton.”
    “My position for many years has been that just as a motorist must have a license, a gun owner should be required to have one as well. Anyone wanting to own a gun should have to pass a written exam.”

    Giuliani is a strong proponent of gun control who supported the Brady Bill and the Assault Weapon Ban. Giuliani’s mayoral administration sued 26 gun makers in 2000, and proposed a nationwide plan for gun licensing, complete with yearly “safety” inspections.

    He’s also a big drug warrior.

    He told one guy I know that he favors a “final solution” to the drug problem “but unlike Hitler I’ll get the job finished”.

    However, another guy I know sold him and former NY Senator Al D’Amato cocaine.

  58. “Andy, I’ve seen two references in the major media recently saying something to the effect, ‘And Guiliani has many libertarian leanings.'”

    Just because somebody SAYS that they or somebody else is a libertarian it does not make it true.

    Giuliani is not even close to being a libertarian and Paulie just posted a good bit of evidence that backs this up. Here’s more.

    I’m a big fan of Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) – as in events like the Ultimate Fighting Championship. Back in the ’90’s Rudy Giuliani shut down an MMA event called Extreme Fighting that was going to be held at an arena in New York City and broadcast on ppv. Giuliani shut them down at the last minute and the promoters had to move the event to a TV studio in North Carolina. The promoters lost a lot of money because of Giuliani. Giuliani then got MMA banned in “his” city.

    http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/nyregion/columns/danbarry/index.html?query=EXTREME%20FIGHTING&field=des&match=exact

  59. “So, witness this my Libertarian friends. Tom Knapp now describes someone who is the Number One Enemy of the entire Libertarian Movement in the USA today, as ‘libertarian-leaning.'”

    Wow, talk about the pot calling the kettle black. You’ve claimed that Joe Lieberman and George W. Bush – who is THE REAL Number One Enemy of the entire Libertarian Movement in the USA today – “libertarian” leaning and you’ve made several other bogus claims about people being “libertarian” or “libertarian leaning.” You just said that Rudy Giuliani is libertarian leaning when his record indicates that fascist is a more accurate label for him.

  60. More evidence against Rudy Giuliani being a libertarian. He supported the anti-free speech, pro-incumbent politician protection McCain-Fiengold Campaign Finance Reform Act. Here’s a quote from him about it.

    “I’m a very, very strong supporter of Campaign Finance Reform, and I’ve been a very strong supporter of McCain-Feingold for a long, long time now.”

  61. Wow, talk about the pot calling the kettle black. You’ve claimed that Joe Lieberman and George W. Bush – who is THE REAL Number One Enemy of the entire Libertarian Movement in the USA today – “libertarian” leaning and you’ve made several other bogus claims about people being “libertarian” or “libertarian leaning.” You just said that Rudy Giuliani is libertarian leaning when his record indicates that fascist is a more accurate label for him.

    But like the TV infomercials say…here’s what else you get!

    Other “libertarians” according to Eric include:

    Bill O’Reilly
    Zell Miller
    Arnold Schwarzenegger
    Jeb Bush
    Katherine Harris

    This is only a partial list.

    Credibility?!

  62. but of course, I’m not a libertarian to you either. Nobodys a libertarian except a pledger.

    correct? Only pledgers are libertarians?

  63. Depends on how technical you want to be.

    I think you’re more of a libertarian than Eric, and certainly far more libertarian than some of the despicable characters he regularly claims are some kind of allies of liberty.

    For him to say that Tom Knapp lacks credibility on that particular subject is truly laughable.

    BTW I notice Eric has dodged the question about why he thinks I would ever support a warmonger Democrat like Hillary.

    Or why he’s not busy starting Libertarians for Hillary, since he supports other warmonger Democrats like Joe Lieberman and Zell Miller.

  64. Hey Paulie girl, no offense intended, but I’ll take the opinions of those in the major media like Susan Estrich, Brit Hume, Fred Barnes, Jeff Birnbaum, and others who have referred to these individuals you mention above as “libertarian-leaning” over yours.

    And no I did not call O’Reilly a “libertarian.” He called himself that, a couple weeks ago on his show.

    And no, I did not call Zell Miller a “libertarian”. Though, as Democrats go, he’s probably about the closest they come.

    Katherine Harris, “friend of libertarians.” That’s quite different from “libertarian.”

    Jeb Bush, Yes, I do view him as libertarian leaning. But that’s only because I myself gave him the test at the 1992 YR Convention and he scored a 90/100. He told me, Phil and Tom, that the only reason he didn’t score 100/100 was becasue he didn’t support “legalization of Heroin and Crack Cocaine.”

  65. Yeah Andy, you’re right. Let’s support the “Truth Movement.”

    Hey, question for ya buddy. What brand of tin foil do you prefer?

    I prefer the Reynolds brand. It gets more of those electronic waves when you put them on your head, attached to your cap, than the generic brands. Don’t you agree?

    Sigh! If only they never cancelled Star Trek. Willam Shattner is the MAN!

  66. Hey Erica, no offense intended, I’ll take a look at these people’s record and the definition of libertarianism

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian

    http://isil.org/resources/introduction.swf

    Over your ignoramuses in the regimist propaganda mediums.

    And no I did not call O’Reilly a “libertarian.” He called himself that, a couple weeks ago on his show.

    So did Bill Clinton. So what?

    O’Reilly is a fascist, and hates real libertarians.

    And no, I did not call Zell Miller a “libertarian”. Though, as Democrats go, he’s probably about the closest they come.

    Baloney. Even for a Democrat, he’s extraordinarily un-libertarian.

    His speech at the NSGOP convention was an almost word for word translation from Adolf Hitler’s speeches.

    And so on down your list.

    I think you may be dyslexic….you seem to have your Nolan chart upside down.

  67. What brand of tin foil do you prefer?

    I prefer the Reynolds brand. It gets more of those electronic waves when you put them on your head, attached to your cap, than the generic brands

    Thanks for clearing that up, Erica, we now know you’re a tin foil hatter who believes in the regime’s fringe 9/11 “19 Arabs with boxcutters” looney conspiracy theory,
    as well as a dyslexic self-admitted bullshitter.

  68. Tom Knapp has just lost all manner of credibility.

    Just now figuring this out?

    Huh?

    I can see why Eric would make such claim.

    But what would make Mike Nelson say that?

  69. FWIW, when I describe Schweitzer et al as “libertarian-leaning,” I’m not implying that they’re anything close to ideological libertarians. I use slightly stricter criteria than Eric does for designating “libertarian Republicans” (he’ll pin that label on any Republican he can corner and get to stand still), but really it just comes down to noting that some Democrats are right on some key issues at some times. I wouldn’t nominate any of those I named for the friggin’ Tom Paine Award at the next LP convention or anything.

    Paulie, I don’t know what Mike’s problem is. He’s probably still pissed off about the Badnarik/Hacker thing, but I never quite figured out why he was pissed off about that in the first place. If an apology for whatever I did will help, I’ll offer one if I’m given a reason to believe it’s the right thing to do; if not, he’ll get over it or he won’t. I’d rather be on the same side as Mike than not, but I’m not going to cry in my beer over it.

    Regards,
    Tom Knapp

  70. Well, whether you’re right or wrong about Badnarik – actually, I thought both you and Mike believe that Hacker has not run the campaign well, if I recall correctly, but Mike was more ready to assert deliberate wrongdoing on Allen’s part – that’s hardly enough IMO to say you lack credibility on who is or isn’t a libertarian or libertarian leaning.

    On the other hand, Eric seems to pick some extremely non-libertarian-leaning individuals and designate them as libertarian, or close, on a regular basis, so it’s particularly funny that he would be the one to accuse you of lacking credibility on that particular subject.

    Incidentally, in Nebraska, the Republican governor’s name appears as the first among many in an ad against the spending limits initiative. His Democrat opponent is listed second in that same ad. Hey, why would anyone need a third party?

  71. “Yeah Andy, you’re right. Let’s support the ‘Truth Movement.’

    Hey, question for ya buddy. What brand of tin foil do you prefer?

    I prefer the Reynolds brand. It gets more of those electronic waves when you put them on your head, attached to your cap, than the generic brands. Don’t you agree?

    Sigh! If only they never cancelled Star Trek. Willam Shattner is the MAN!”

    Once again Eric dodges the LEGITIMATE questions that I raised about 9/11. Stop being an intellectual coward confront the evidence!

    Aaron Russo and Jesse Ventura have examined the evidence and they believe that 9/11 was an inside job. Are you going to call them “kooks” now?

    Instead of playing games, let’s have a public debate on 9/11. Since you believe the official government story perhaps you could represent that side in the debate.

  72. “Hey Paulie girl, no offense intended, but I’ll take the opinions of those in the major media like Susan Estrich, Brit Hume, Fred Barnes, Jeff Birnbaum, and others who have referred to these individuals you mention above as “libertarian-leaning” over yours.”

    Oh yeah, we all know that the major media is so friendly towards Libertarians. BAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

    “And no I did not call O’Reilly a ‘libertarian.’ He called himself that, a couple weeks ago on his show.”

    So if a person calls themselves something it must be true?

    “Jeb Bush, Yes, I do view him as libertarian leaning. But that’s only because I myself gave him the test at the 1992 YR Convention and he scored a 90/100. He told me, Phil and Tom, that the only reason he didn’t score 100/100 was becasue he didn’t support ‘legalization of Heroin and Crack Cocaine.'”

    Don’t you think that it’s possible that he was just BULLSHITTING you?

  73. Andy, that’s not possible!

    “You can’t bullshit a bullshitler” – Eric Dondero

    (At least I think that’s what he said. Bushhitler?)

  74. Of course good ole Jeb wouldn’t want to legalize cocaine.

    His family makes too much money from it, and legalizing would kill the goose that keeps laying the golden egg.

    Besides, it’s just not as much fun when it’s legal.

    When it comes to the white stuff the Bush know as well as anyone, “keep your powder dry”.

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