A Note About HoT

Hi. This isn’t news.

We usually do news, yes, but we do opinion pieces. We do editorial pages. Occasionally, we also do cartoons.

We’re the portion of the newspaper that everyone turns to first, usually. We have namecalling, we have libertarian-leaning writeups, we have bad words too sometimes (well, often if it’s my articles).

I’ve come to understand that this isn’t acceptable to some of you, this “college humor” or whatever. Others are mad that our editors take positions on things, usually when they don’t agree with the reader’s position. Still others hate that we use words like “retard,” even though these same people are defending the potty mouths of candidates.

This is why there’s many of us. We all have different points of view, different writing styles. The editors are all libertarians… and that’s where the similarities end. We’re atheists, Christians, agnostics and Lord knows what else. We are purists, we are reformers, we are everything in between. We’re Lockeans, we’re geolibertarians, we’re anarchists, we’re minarchists, we’re silver-tongued, we’re snake-tongued and we’re writing.

How sad, how uninteresting a world it would be if we all had to walk on eggshells. How sad if reformers couldn’t take being called “statist pigs”, purists “radicals,” 9/11 orthodoxists “sheeple” and 9/11 truthers “retards.” How sad if our skins couldn’t withstand the well-intentioned jabs of our own kind, because then how could they withstand the malicious strikes of the Republicrats?

There’s a lot of us here, with a lot of different viewpoints. Gentle, beloved reader, you are guaranteed to disagree with the editor’s version of libertarianism, or the editor’s methods, or the editor’s writing style about 50% of the time on this site, no matter what it is that you believe. Now, we are all grownups here, no? We can take this difference of opinion and let it inform us and make us stronger in our views and our knowledge, or we can let it grow ugly and personal.

I know what I want. I don’t know about you, but I’d miss being called a hippie retard right-winger fascist foul-mouthed statist moron. So let’s grow thicker skin.

74 Comments
  1. but I’d miss being called a hippie retard right-winger fascist foul-mouthed statist moron

    How did you know what I was thinking?

  2. Stuart,
    I have thick skin,I don’t use 4 letter words when I post because I believe it degrades my cause. I have never slung insults at anyone here that I disagree with. I became more upset w/myself for giving my personal funds to SVD for libertymix and then being insulted. I can think of several people now that needed the $$ more and may have actually done something with it – 6/06/2006 was a long time ago and I have received no updates and no explanations. Obviously SVD took us for a bunch of morons and I fell for it. I have learned my lesson and will no longer link to HOT or refer my friends here.

    I’m also sick of people saying that the SP humor has been taken out of context. I watch SP constantly and have never been offended. I am offended by someone however who takes my $$ and then hurls insults to those who question authority.

    As Americans it is our duty to question everything – if this makes me a retard in SVD’s world than so be it.

  3. I can think of several people now that needed the $$ more and may have actually done something with it – 6/06/2006 was a long time ago and I have received no updates and no explanations.

    Don’t forget, 6/6/06 wasn’t the first release date we were quoted. Lifetime subscribers were promised a demo version to check out back in February, 8 or 9 months ago.

    Obviously SVD took us for a bunch of morons and I fell for it.

    You’re not the only one. If LibertyMix were to be released tomorrow, and it were good, would you look at things differently?

    And since you already paid, let’s say it doesn’t come out for another year – will you use your lifetime account?

    Obviously SVD took us for a bunch of morons and I fell for it. I have learned my lesson and will no longer link to HOT or refer my friends here.

  4. Where s LibertyMix –
    In response to your question, I honestly don’t know what I would do if Libertymix came out tomorrow. I think I’d be pretty happy about it :)

  5. I agree with Stuart. The sad thing is that this post had to be made. If Michelle was offended by SVD’s post, she should have dealt with it in-house. I’m no fan of the word “retard” but SVD was referencing something in the cartoon. Michelle even indidcated that this might be the case, but didn’t take the time to look into it before going off the hinges with an impromptu post. Now the results: One of the best bloggers is gone, and the blog has been sullied by a bunch of whiny, self-referential posts.

  6. Undercover,
    Michelle and I both watched the entire SP episode and fail to see how calling those that question the official story RETARDS fits in with the entire theme. To quote SVD himself:

    Feels extra good to be on the common sense side of libertarianism watching this.

    I still expect our resident conspiracy readers to fill the comments with links to websites and “truth.”

    Haha”¦ retards.

    He obviously considers anyone who does not agree with him to be a retard.

    You are right about one thing though, one of the best (if not THE best) blogger is gone.

  7. Undercover,
    Michelle and I both watched the entire SP episode and fail to see how calling those that question the official story RETARDS fits in with the entire theme. To quote SVD himself:

    Feels extra good to be on the common sense side of libertarianism watching this.

    I still expect our resident conspiracy readers to fill the comments with links to websites and “truth.”

    Haha”¦ retards.

    He obviously considers anyone who does not agree with him to be a retard.

    You are right about one thing though, one of the best (if not THE best) blogger is gone.

  8. Edited your post, Elle… didn’t change any words, just closed the HTML tags.

    Anyway, yeah, it’ll be a shame if this is what Michelle will stick with. She’s an excellent blogger.

  9. Ah, looking at the page of editors, not too many post regularly. And I have to agree sometimes the language gets a bit out of hand.
    Just wishing Michelle the best.
    Now its time for a bottle of Sam Adams.
    M.H.W.

  10. I agree with elle #2. Libertymix and SVD have been great disappointments, and the $25 I spent on Libertymix is easily the worst (albeit small) investment I’ve ever made.

    Also, I agree with the spirit of Stuart’s post. The only difference that I take with it is this: the 9-11 conspiracy theories are so outlandish, and so far-fetched, that I believe it degrades the integrity of this blog when it has bloggers who believe this garbage. The fact that they can even take themselves seriously stuns me. (cont”¦)

  11. (”¦cont)
    On the topic of cursing: it is unprofessional to curse often in this form of media. I am in college, and when I want “college humor,” I will watch south park, etc (which I do often). Even the majority of collegehumor.com’s blog posts lack over the top crudeness that is commonplace in HoT posts. When I want to read someone’s opinion, or libertarian news, I enjoy articles that are well-reasoned and well-delivered. For me, this crudeness just seems to get in the way. I believe that SVD, and perhaps Stuart, were influenced by South Park’s crudeness and chose to mirror this in their journalism. Again, this does not so much bother me as it alienates potential readers. Parker and Stone are better at this kind of humor than you guys are anyway.

  12. “We’re Lockeans, we’re geolibertarians, we’re anarchists, we’re minarchists…”

    But we are NOT Liebertarians, Donderoeans or Dondilldoans.

  13. I don’t comment often, but I do link to HoT from my blog and post about what is being said over here regualary. I truly feel that the editors of HoT are some of the brightest minds speaking the Libertarian word.

    It seems as though I only comment when stuff like this takes place. All too often in the Libertarian blogosphere we call each other out in front of everyone. We all have each other’s emails, why don’t we use them? Why don’t we confront those that may offend us or may make a point that we think is so ridiculous? Sometimes a little behind the scenes explanation will eliminate the half-cocked commentary we often see by the editors. Being an editor does come with some responsibility. Leave the knee-jerk, unexplored commentary to the comments section (no offense to all the commenters on HoT).

    [continued…]

  14. Elle – How do you and Michelle understand that SVD was not actually calling you “retards”?? Jesus. It was a reference to the fucking show. Even putting the “Ha ha…” in front of it didn’t make it clear enough for you? And why couldn’t Michelle have taken the issue with SVD, one-on-one instead of making an ugly, stupid feud? Why sully the blog? Michelle is probably my favorite blogger since Stephen Gordon stopped posting regularly, but she behaved impulsively and childishly. Even if SVD was calling those who disagreed with him “retards” (which he wasn’t), such immaturity would pale in comparison to Michelle’s actions.

  15. […continued]

    Michelle is a much needed female voice, for her to leave the established HoT is saddening. I wish her luck on her own.

    The other point… 24 hours have passed since Michelle’s post and we have not heard from SVD. I truly hope that he is giving deep thought to what he is going to say (if anything) and I also hope that he will respond to the LiberyMix question.

    The Libertarian Party is great because of its diversity, as Stuart so masterfully pointed out… but we are a laughing stock. I attempt to hold my ground on a number of local republican blogs, fighting the good fight with sound policy arguments in hopes that I can change a few minds about the Libertarian Party. We aren’t crazy… but god-dammit we act like it a lot. The leaders need to lead… or they need to join the fray of knee-jerk reactionaries.

    The LP needs leadership. Libertarianism needs leadership. It’s time to clean up and step up.

  16. Whoops. First sentence should say “How do you and Michelle FAIL TO understand that SVD was not actually calling you ‘retards'”???

  17. undercover_anarchist – I doubt that Michelle was actually offended my any of this; she was likely just looking for a reason to leave.

  18. after digesting all of this for a bit, I think DAP has something. I know that I perked up my ears when she said matter of factly that if her husband ever found out that she was any sort of candidate for public office the divorce would be on the way. She then was asked directly in a comment question if she meant this for real and she said yes.

    I think there’s maybe a connection there, but it’s not important to prove it. She has to do whats best for her and her kids at the time.

  19. Timothy, its silly to think her husband had anything to do with this, I just think that she decided that it was her time to move on, and SVD’s post presented a seemingly good opportunity for an exit.

  20. Possibly, but as I said it’s not important to know why. She’s gone. Anything else is speculation.

  21. When I hear the phrase ‘Hammer of Truth’ I reach for my Lomotil. AHAHAHAHAHAHHA. Go, you good things…

  22. So calling you a foul mouthed leftist hippie is out of the question, Stuart?

    Oh no no no! You can even shoot for the “Stalinist” label too if you think it appropriate, LOL.

  23. The retort, “Can’t you take a joke?”, or “Just kidding,” is the attempt by those of who us who feel ourselves to be inferior to assert a sense of superiority over others whom we have just insulted. The original insult counts”“as it was meant to”“despite the quite common effort to soften the stab after the knife has been successfully inserted.

    All insults”“ALL insults”“begin with an implied or explicit ”˜you,’ which effectively “pins” the insult to the target, and the target senses this immediately. The insult was psychically designed to hurt, again, in an effort to assert a sense of superiority where a deeper sense of inferiority is lurking.

    Michelle has been lost to blogging because of the deliberate insult, with its implied ”˜you,’ effectively denigrated her as an equal, treating her as an inferior. The attempts to excuse vicious behavior by another blogger castgating Michelle’s unreasonableness in quitting are, themselves, condoning the use of bullying insult to win an argument.

  24. To be anti-foul language is not only horribly Leftist Politically Correct, but it’s anti-Military, as well. We Military guys and Veterans LOVE foul language. That’s how we communicate. I can’t imagine communicating without the shits, fucks, assholes, commie-bastards, ect… It would be downright unAmerican!

    I say this to all those who complain about such language:

    Fuck you and the horse you rode in on, woosy-ass girly man!

    You wouldn’t last a mother-fucking day in boot camp. So go back to you little computers and blog all day about nice touchy-feely subjects. And stay the fuck away from us real men.

  25. Dondingleberry… Yeah, you military men like to deal with a lot of dicks, assholes, fucks, and shits.

    If being anti-foul language is anti-military, then I need to work on cleaing up my speech.

    I wouldn’t last a day in boot camp because I wouldn’t be stupid or psychotic enough to join the largest socialist killing machine in the history of mankind.

  26. Undercover –
    Post #30 – A Duoist is RIGHT on – I’m amazed at how many peoples response is “it was just a joke, so why is Michelle over reacting?”. Even though SVD did not specifically call Michelle a retard it was implied. It was implied to anyone who questions authority.

    I agree that libertarians need to work together and respect each others opinions. If questioning authority is laughable and something to poke fun at around here, maybe I should start to reconsider what I call myself.

    Tom Blanton is on to something, I should just start calling myself a freedom advocate.

  27. I’m sorry, elle, but you’re wrong. He wasn’t calling anyone a “retard.” That’s like saying if I sing along with Kanye West, I’m a racist, because I say the word “nigga.”

  28. Dondero…ughh…shut up.

    Politics is not a penis measuring contest. Being libertarian is not about how much of a dude you can be. It’s about reason, intellect, recognition of history, response to government abuses, etc. Your testosterone-centric approach to politics is why no one here believes you are a genuine libertarian – you’re just another perverted establishment Republican who thinks calling yourself a libertarian will justify your perversion to your Republican friends and demonstrate what a swinging macho badass tough guy you are.

    (Nevermind your deathly fear of a Muslim planet – “WAAAHHH! The Islamo-fascists are coming! I’m sc-sc-sc-scared! I need mommy state to save the day by killing all the Muslims!”)

    You come off as a numbskull, and you certainly aren’t helping libertarians of any stripes in any way, shape or form. I’m not trying to simply call you names, I’m telling you the reality of the image you project. But you really savor being an asshole, I think.

  29. Yes, if you are engaged in politics you need to have a thick skin or you’ll just be wasting everybody’s time esp. your own. But the problem is much deeper than that. The main thing that holds back the LP is that we continually attack each other when we should be working together against our opponents. Any attempt to justify this behavior is complete and utter bullshit. That includes this post and most every response to it. The first byproduct of Libertarianism is tolerance. If we can’t tolerate each other then we are pretty miserable failures at living our own philosophy, an hypocrisy that outsiders cannot fail to notice. The fatal flaw in Stuart’s argument is that you need to take it in stride if your *opponents* call you names. Fellow Libertarians calling each other names is just stupid and frankly, downright evil. Don’t you dare try to justify it.

  30. Sean,

    Some of those that comment here are not libertarians, obviously. Their intent is to divide, however I am not sure they realize how limited the scope is.

  31. UA,

    You are in denial, as usual. The whole intent of SVD’s post was to insult those that question a government that is known to lie to people – even if he chose not to use the words “retard” or “bozos”. You have serious comprehension issues.

  32. The fatal flaw in that argument Sean is that people like me arent accepted as libertarians by those who pledge, because obviously only pledgers are libertarians.

    Catch 22. I have no libertarian credentials that pledgers are bound to respect. And they dont. Secretly, pledgers hate limited government “libertarians”. Most of the time, they manage to keep it hidden, but when the truth comes out, it comes out like this.

  33. Let me return the offer with equal generosity: first, stuff that “utterly pure” crap; a thing is either what it is or it is something else. I’m fed up being called a “purist” because I can read a damn definition.

    If you’re not man enough to take your libertarianism undiluted, if the movement’s core ideals frighten or embarrass you, if, in that patronizing, condescending, utterly undeserved sense of superiority of yours you think the state-battered American public isn’t more than ready to hear what real libertarians have to say and want to do, if you’re not willing to do the hard work of getting them to listen, get out.

    Now.

    We were here first.

    Start your own Whimpertarian Party instead of hijacking the one your betters built. See how far it gets you, competing with something real. Try holding onto the LP you’ve stolen and we’ll embarrass you out, using nothing more than genuine libertarian ideas, positions and policies. Try explaining to the round-heeled media our insistence that a nine-year-old girl should be free to buy a machinegun, ammunition, and heroin at the general store without signing anything or presenting identification.

    I promise that you’ll have to.

  34. Sean, I am completely in agreement with you. (Although Dondero will always be an exception for me because he is not a libertarian – anyone PROUD to vote for Bush in 2004 can not be a libertarian in almost any book).

    In fact, just earlier today I wrote something completely in line with this thinking. I’ve been having an interesting dialogue with people at the Boston Tea Party website. Speaking as an LRC founder, but not for the LRC, I think all the factions of the debate are sick and tired of the same thing. Everyone is hurling fireballs at each other, trying to be the last one standing – but everyone’s ignoring that the enemy is not in this room.

    I admit that I have contributed to the divisiveness in the LP, as has everyone in the party who has felt the need to take sides. The old LP orthodoxy initiated the divisiveness. The LRC arose from the divisiveness, creating more divisiveness. Then the BTP and Radical Caucus arose, and now look at us. We’re one big divided mess. (cont’d)

  35. Nelly – Was I in “denial as usual” when I saw your side of things and commended your journalism when you outted the Fraudnarik campaign and Chief Embezzlor Hacker? Did I have “serious comprehension issues?”

    I’m starting to believe that some of you people literally are retarded.

  36. That was L.Neil Smith, of course. He doesnt believe limited government constitutional types like me have any place in the LP – unless we sit quietly in the corner like the inferior scum we are. He’s not the only one.

    I submit theres a fork in the road ahead. If you want the LP to be split yet again, then keep people like me offically marginalized by keeping that pledge as a gatekeeper to the whole party. Somebody is gonna come along, take the majority of the donor base, and the NLP is gonna take a beating. You’ll be really pure, and really poor.

    I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: I dont give a SHIT about how many people sign that little tiny pledge – what I care about is that all institutional barriers to money and support for the LP need to be removed if the LP is going to be the party that becomes the replacement for the Republicans in the next 4 to 6 years. If it wont, somthing else will be. Something is going to fill that vacuum in the political space.

  37. The LP is clearly in need of “reform.” Anyone who denies this is “retarded.”

    People who cannot distinguish between guiding philosophy and political strategy are “retarded.”

    I am a member of the LRC. I support them because they’re trying to take the political side of things SERIOUSLY. I think one thing they should do is push the LP away from the idea of being “Republican light.” The old LP, for all its supposed “radicalism,” strongly gave off this impression. This is why most uneducated folks think that “libertarian” is just a synonym for “far right Republican.” This is the type of REFORM that is needed to begin drawing new people (liberals who have seen the light) into the party and start winning elections.

    Way off topic.

  38. I think this is a time the entire movement needs to shut the hell up for a few minutes, take a breather, own up to the fact that we have all built this monster and most importantly, challenge ourselves and our constitutencies to rise above the bitter acrimony.

    Let’s face it – building an alliance between people who believe state has no purpose with those who think the state has a minimal purpose makes it difficult as hell to agree on meaningful policy, much less grow. Because of the fact that we fight so much, we probably scare half of our potential recruits away. We can either finally agree to disagree or we can continue to disagree to agree.

    Only by everyone mutually agreeing to admit that they are wrong and cut the petty crap, the name calling, the factionalization and fractioning, the compelling need to always be “right,” the litmus tests, the ad hominems and strawmans, etc. will we ever be able to build the big tent that both major factions know we need to build. Now.

  39. you make every LP supporter equal in the eyes of the party, and all of this goes away. Simply use this definition of a libertarian:

    1. One who advocates maximizing individual rights and minimizing the role of the state.
    2. One who believes in free will.

    and remove the oath for membership in the party. Let those who believe in it form a caucus just like the LRC did. They can have the true believers society within.

    thats the only way out that allows full support from anyone who identifies themselves as libertarian to give money and support to the LP regardless of personal view. I want anyone in that LP quadrant of the nolan chart to be supporting the LP instead of something else, but my money and efforts are being forced to support something I dont believe in as a gatekeeper.

  40. I would say most of us joined this movement because we were inspired by it’s creative flow of ideas. But the libertarian movement has gotten away from it’s Enlightenment traditions by stooping to tabloid levels of ridiculousness and even anti-intellectualism in some circles. It’s really sad that we can’t hold different ideas and challenge each other in a respectful manner without resorting to calling each other f***wads, “retards” or whatever you like to call the people who don’t agree with you. I will even break from Stuart and UA over this – maybe respectful libertarianism would be less fun, but is that what this is really all about?

    It’s not SVD’s comment that bothers me at all and it’s definitely not a PC thing – it’s the fact that so many times libertarians actually mean that crap and seeth with hatred towards EACH OTHER. I have been guilty too. Meanwhile, the ship is sinking beneath us and nobody stops punching each other long enough to try to plug up the holes.

  41. Nelly – Was I in “denial as usual” when I saw your side of things and commended your journalism when you outted the Fraudnarik campaign and Chief Embezzlor Hacker? Did I have “serious comprehension issues?”

    Nice red herring.

  42. If the factions can’t live together under the same roof, is it too idealistic to ask if we can at least try to clean up our neighborhood? Lobbing grenades at each others’ houses is leaving the movement in dysphoric shambles.

    The 9/11 issue is subject for debate, and that debate itself is subject for debate. But they way almost EVERYONE has approached it here (like so many topics) has been totally f***ed up. Attack the IDEAS, not the PEOPLE. Defuse personal battles before they start.

    Our worst political enemy is not the media or the major parties. It’s ourselves. And we’re certainly not a very cuddly monster at that.

    Where do we go from here? Thicker skin, yes. More respect for one another in the same quadrant, yes. A dose of restraint and humility, very helpful.

    Everyone working together to move the libertarian movement back to more of an intellectual Enlightenment mindset and solidify together against authoritarianism via reason

    …maybe just a idealistic dream?

  43. I wonder how much incivility on this blog would go on if we were sitting around in some hospitality room at an LP convention having a beverage and talking to each other?
    My experience is that people are pretty polite to each other when they are face to face at work, in a dorm bull session, or in a platcomm meeting.

  44. Hey, I appreciate the different views of the various writers at HoT.

    What is driving me away is the near CONSTANT coverage of various local elections. For those of us that don’t vote, and even if we did, don’t believe libertarians have a chance in hell of gaining significant ground, the endless election coverage is BORING. Out of the 25 articles on the current RSS feed, some 18 or 19 of them are about elections/polling. I, and many I know, don’t give one whit of attention to elections, and so, in the beauty of the free market, are getting more of our news and opinions from less election-focused sites.

    The pot-shots at 9/11 conspiracy theorists were just an added justification that it’s time for us to part ways.

  45. And one last thing – I admit completely my complicity. While I would say I tend to be one of the less divisive (my feelings towards Dondero aside), very active people on here, even my posts as recent as a few days ago carry a very divisive air.

    Libertarians are natural debaters. We get riled easily, we are stubborn, we rarely, if ever, compromise. While I generally try to focus on arguments instead of people, sometimes these barriers cross each other, and sometimes I feel the pull to get dragged into personal battles over the arguments.

    I’m going to do my best to stop, and I hope others follow suit. And I hope people call me out when I stray. We just all need to train ourselves to put the personal acrimony aside, work on our listening skills and learn when it’s best to stop – when two people are never going to agree, what good does it do to reduce whatever productive dialogue was happening into dreck?

  46. I, and many I know, don’t give one whit of attention to elections

    This is a political blog. It’s also a Libertarian Party-leaning blog. It’s difficult to expect to come to a libertarian political blog and expect it not to talk about actual politics or the Libertarian Party.

  47. What is driving me away is the near CONSTANT coverage of various local elections. For those of us that don’t vote, and even if we did, don’t believe libertarians have a chance in hell of gaining significant ground, the endless election coverage is BORING. Out of the 25 articles on the current RSS feed, some 18 or 19 of them are about elections/polling. I, and many I know, don’t give one whit of attention to elections, and so, in the beauty of the free market, are getting more of our news and opinions from less election-focused sites.

    The answer to this is to help us out. We the editors are only so many sets of eyes. Send in anything you think is cool or newsworthy to [email protected] and if we think so too, we’ll cover it.

    Our articles are, to an extent, a reflection of what the readership wants to see. If you don’t like what you’re seeing… help us fix that!

  48. Hmmmm… Some of HoT’s bloggers are immature. It just so happens they’re also the “retards” who believe in these conspiracies. Coincidence?

    Nick – I’m all for being respectful in real life. The internet is a convergence of people like me, debating under a screen name 1/2 way for comedic purposes, and then people who are active in the movement and operate under their real identities. It is up to HoT to set the tone. Its own bloggers, including some of the more mature (i.e. non-conspiracy theorist) ones have set the “sophomoric” tone. Perhaps the HoT “board of directors” should determine which way it wants to go. It’s cool there are different bloggers with different styles, but there should be a committment to professionalism OR a commitment to a more loosey-goosey style. Either way is cool, but the inconsistency can obviously lead to problems.

  49. Well, I think that so long as we don’t get too carried away one way or another, there’s probably room for both.

    The “board of directors” pretty much is SVD and SG, and they embody both. SVD is more sophomoric and SG is more straight-laced but they both have done both and they don’t go off the deep end.

    There are actually some rules we all do follow; besides the typical journalistic ones (don’t make outlandish claims without at least qualifying them as such, etc.) there are some style considerations we all do follow. Outside of things like “keep images to the left and under 200px in either dimension” we’re not supposed to curse in the titles (I did once forgetting that rule, though… “Swastika crawls up Air Force chief’s ass, dies” if I recall) and we are basically supposed to just curse when it furthers some stylistic motive.

    I do understand the danger in trying to be all things to all people but I think that to an extent, that’s the mission of HoT anyway.

  50. Besides, if we wanted to fully direct ourselves one way or another, that would impede on the strengths of our various editors. I mean, I can do straight-laced stuff, and I have, but I still think my best-written articles were the one about the socialized transsexual surgeries and the one about a more realistic pledge. That’s just my strength, I feel, and it would be counterproductive to deny that strength or to have the other editors deny theirs.

    Hence, diversity in all things… unless our fearless leader says otherwise.

  51. How am I to communicate if I cannot threaten, cajole, ridicule, name call, curse, humiliate, anger, and whatever I can conjure up to show some of you idiots how retarded you are in your idealistic beliefs of an Utopian world.

    Some of you dumb asses need to get a life. Become realists and approach living as a pragmatist. You little peons will never change anything anywhere if you don’t grow up.

    The best way to deal with injustice and build the Utopia you are wishing for is with force. The more force we use against our enemies, the better. A benefit no one wants to consider is if we can have a world war, it is population control. Those of us left will have much more room and land and a lot less assholes to deal with. Now that is being pragmatic. Even the environmentalists and population control freaks can agree with this proposition.

    When the revolution begins to reclaim personal freedoms I want to have real men in my tribe, not a bunch of cry babies.

  52. There are actually some rules we all do follow

    You obviously forgot the one about turning a title into a question.

  53. Perhaps this observation can help:

    “All–ALL–insults begin with an implied or explicit ‘you’.”

    If we believe self-mastery is the anabolic goal of every human life, then a personal awareness that the careless use of the pronoun ‘you’ can be such a deadly act of language will help. In short, teach ourself that everytime we vent, using ‘you’ escalates the dialogue into hate-filled diatribe.

    As for cursing: 1). In normal discourse, its use is generally a sign of a poor vocabulary, or is the attempt to bully, to dominate the conversation by shock what can not be achieved by rationality; 2). When used after sudden pain, cursing relieves the sense of embarrassed incompetence; 3). When used during sexual intercourse, cursing expresses the pleasure of losing self-control.

    Conclusion: less cursing in discourse, more cursing in bed.

    ‘Be free,’ HOT.

  54. Tim asserts:

    Try explaining to the round-heeled media our insistence that a nine-year-old girl should be free to buy a machinegun, ammunition, and heroin at the general store without signing anything or presenting identification.

    That’s a hoot. How’s this response?

    Well, I’m a libertarian, but….I would never advocate such a thing. Of course the little girl should sign something.

    Seriously, a better response might be to point out that if a little girl wanted to buy those things now, she merely has to go behind the general store, or on the playground, or maybe even right next door. I suspect that such a store that sold things like that to a small child would quickly be shunned by the community and go out of business.

    The idea is not to create some utopia (as suggested by some who set up strawmen in an effort to discredit purists), the idea is to understand that government solutions haven’t worked and, in fact, may actually make things worse.

  55. That’s L. Neil Smith discussing how he plans to sabotage the party, Tom. I dont have anything to add.

    At this point the odds are better than not I wont be in the LP and will remove myself as a supporter shortly after the elections.

  56. Some of this brings to mind some of the first books fully written on the subject of etiquette, way back in the 16th century in Italy, where plenty of folks were hashing out this whole concept of “personal honor”. That was a time where it was possible that an insult could cost you your life and books on honor often tried to put a certain context to the nature of insult.

    One of my favorite lines, though, was the statement that an insult can only be considered a real insult if it was meant to be one. For example, it might be proper, even expected, to kiss the lady of the house in France, but to do so in Italy would have been an insult. Would a Frenchman kissing an Italian lady of the house be honoring or insulting if he offers a kiss?

    It’s always important to determine the true intent, especially in as impersonal a medium as this one. That’s something only SVD and Michelle can do, no matter what any of us may post here on what we might THINK (no matter how sure you feel you are) it is.

  57. Anyone catch Phil Maymin’s second debate ?
    http://www.mayminforcongress.com

    He had another tonight. Good luck Phil !

    He got there and made a difference, no talk about pledges, platforms or pandering. The LP had another candidate in prime time, man the phones people and celebrate, it ain’t gonna change over night . . .

  58. Julian, you can not build a Utopian society through force. Someone will want to be the leader of this force and then abuse the leadership by dividing the people into groups (retards, terrorist, enemies and friends). Once the division occurs, someone in one of the groups will want to use force to bring about their own Utopia. Repeat and rinse.

  59. Julian I’m an old Vet and you had me on the floor laughing my ass off, or I should say ROTFLMAO.

    And Tim if you got up in front of a group of women and did the bit about a nine year old girl buying a machine gun at
    the local hardware store and then pointed out that it would cut down on the incident of rape, you’d probably get a standing room of applauses.
    Give it a try.
    M.H.W.

  60. “The best way to deal with injustice and build the Utopia you are wishing for is with force.”

    Julian sounds like a statist to me.

    “A benefit no one wants to consider is if we can have a world war, it is population control.”

    How about doing everyone and starting with yourself?

  61. At this point the odds are better than not I wont be in the LP and will remove myself as a supporter shortly after the elections.

    I guess I can’t understand your pessimism, man. We’re seeing the ideals of reform finally beginning to be enacted, and we’re seeing credible Libertarian campaigns sprouting up like weeds. This is the best, most exciting time in the history of the party to be a Libertarian, I think. Why leave now when it’s just starting to get good?

  62. “If being anti-foul language is anti-military, then I need to work on cleaing up my speech.” – U_A

    That’s going to be a fucking bitch, but fuck it, we’ll have to try that shit then.