That “Libertarian” Girl

I’ve shot across the bow in a nice manner, let’s see how she responds:

Subject: You’re libertarian?


I’ve been reading your stuff for some time now, and I have to say that you do not seem very consistent in your idea of what libertarianism is, even Randian libertarianism (I have also read Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead but do not color the world through that philosophy alone). Do you truly believe that it’s our government’s moral obligation to interfere with other nations because they have a system of government that we do not approve of?

As a side note on today’s inauguration post, I like to bash on liberals as much as the next person, but to claim that “despite what hate-America leftists say, the Civil War was about slavery” smacks of revisionism. Perhaps you could stand to read a little history before shooting from the hip:

Stephen VanDyke

PS- I’ve had a few readers ask that I delink you because of your support of the Iraq war, I was hoping we could debate the facts as they are and establish where we stand before I consider it

Email was triggered by this post, but if you read the archives I’m not off-base here in my assertion.

LG replies:


I am going to write more about the Civil War this weekend because so many people have picked on that statement.

And I’m not going to change my support for the Iraq war so people who oppose it will link to me.

Thanks for writing,


My response to the reply:

I didn’t ask you to change your support, I said let’s debate the facts.

I’m hoping we can have a full-on debate (and she’s free to continue viewing the Iraq war as she does), but if LG doesn’t want to debate facts with me, I guess we know where her credibility stands.

UPDATE UPDATE: A rare moment… I have pulled LG from my blogroll. I could dedicate a whole blog to dispelling her inaccuracies and ignorance of the fundamentals of liberty, but I get the feeling Tom Hanna might be on to something when he says “I think ?ÄúLibertarian Girl?Äù may be comparable to ‘Hot Abercrombie Chick.’ just a matter of rooting through enough catalogs to see where the picture came from.”

ANOTHER UPDATE: Don’t miss this rebuttal to LG’s ravings: Little Socialist Girl.

Stephen VanDyke

I've published HoT along with about 300+ friends since 2002. We're all Americans who are snarky and love our country. I'm a libertarian that registered Republican because I like to win elections. That's pretty much it.

  1. I hope that you can get some good discussion out of that. I just love it when “libertarians” are for starting wars abroad.

    A side note… Stephen, why dont you give us an ANALysis of Bushes great speech yesterday? Im dying to hear some libertarians give their opinions on it… you are one of them.

  2. apparently, though i haven’t been able to confirm it myself yet (looking for said transcript), cheyney changed words while taking his oath. Was he just not hearing them correctly, or protecting himself?

  3. I sent this email to Boortz(another big “libertarian” that likes the war and sucks on Bush). I think other libertarians should write him. I have a new policy that should become big in America, ‘if you are for the war, go fight it!'(im tired of these armchair generals):

    Why do you love Bush and the war so much? Yes, Bush said freedom many times, but he really meant ‘slavery.’
    He wants to spread freedom around the world… who is going to do this ‘spreading?!’… all the “FREE” soldiers that arent dying for our country anymore, they are DYING for others “freedom.” Im a soldier and I dont want the responsiblity to free the entire world… you are for the war… why dont you get a M-16 and fight it? Is our Army the US Army or the WORLD Army? I guess death is freedom to some; just like we are giving “freedom” to the Iraqis.

    may we have freedom in our own country before we even think of giving freedom to the whole world,

    *How much money are you getting from the Bush administration?

  4. I cant understand how anyone could support a war based on false premises. Does she think that the ends have justified the means? I dig a big tent liberty but I dont get how she could support a war based on a lie.

  5. From a previous comment:
    cheyney changed words while taking his oath

    According to the news network that I was watching at the time (CNN) the VP reversed the word order because Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert, who was reciting the oath of office to Cheney, said a verse in the wrong order. I’m sure Bush would have caught that if it happened to him… :)

  6. I wouldn’t get too upset by her – I think “Libertarian Girl” may be comparable to “Hot Abercrombie Chick.” just a matter of rooting through enough catalogs to see where the picture came from.

    OTOH, libertarians oppose the initiation of force. There’s no conflict between that and the action vis a vis Iraq (or any dictatorial government for that matter). That’s not the same as saying we have a moral obligation to attack all tyrants, but it is certainly disingenuous at best to say that you are a libertarian if you believe that we are morally obligated NOT to attack tyrants.