Man Arrested For Holding “Impeach Obama” Sign

Welcome to 21st century America.

posted by paulie
  • stephenv

    This dude was on private property (the Alaska state fair is owned and operated by a corporate outfit). As much as I think the security guards and cops were jackasses for what they did and making such an awful scene… the fact remains that he did NOT have rights that he claims he has on PRIVATE PROPERTY.

    I know, it’s still a shocking video…

    • paulie

      Sounds like one of those “public-private partnerships” or even an outright government-owned corporation. We come across this all the time when dealing with fairgrounds, civic centers, even DMVs and public parks.

      If it’s open to the public it should be open to free speech, especially if it receives government money.

  • http://www.foraaugusta.net Stuart Richards

    Well, if it’s privately owned by someone other than the government, I’m okay with them setting their own rules. That’s part of property rights. If it’s government-owned, though, they should have left him alone.

    • paulie

      Having been through this with many kinds of nominally private property, when you do a little digging it usually becomes apparent that they are government-intertwined in numerous ways.

      • http://www.foraaugusta.net Stuart Richards

        Yeah, and when that’s the case it’s an abuse of private property law in my mind. If the government owns it in any way, shape or form, it should be open to free speech, period.

        • paulie

          You may be surprised by how much of what people think is private property is actually owned b government in some way.

          See CAFR1.com – much of the stocks in big corporations, such as the ones that often own shopping centers and grocery stores, is owned by governments and government pension funds.

          Oftentimes they even lease the lots from government or even operate on government owned land, and regardless of who nominally owns it, it is frequently acquired through eminent domain abuse and improved through funds obtained by corporate welfare.

          On the flipside, many of what we think of as government agencies – such as the post office – are nominally “private,” yet operate as government-insured monopolies.

          For instance, the DMV that we had a problem with in Omaha leased its parking lot from a “private” corporation owned by the former mayor.

          The government-corporate merger is much more advanced than most people know or even imagine.

          All that aside, there is also the concept of easement in law, which allows for free speech on private property that is open to the public, and also the concept of proportionality in the use of responsive force.

  • http://www.foraaugusta.net Stuart Richards

    Also, just because it has to be said, lol LaRouche.

    • paulie

      True dat.