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		<title>By: macedonia</title>
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		<dc:creator>macedonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 01:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry about my english

The democrats and the republicans are doing the same thing to there people as to the rest of the world, they are f...ing them. 

Why??????? 

The candidates dont want to lose the power. So they are geting it in the most easyest way, by throing millions of dollars on campaigns, getting on the news, charity, giving 5 to celebrities etc. If they are using those tactics ask your selfs, do you think that they care about you.

In simple words: The more stupider the candidate, the more money he has to spent to win, and George Bush is a billionare, long live the empire]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about my english</p>
<p>The democrats and the republicans are doing the same thing to there people as to the rest of the world, they are f&#8230;ing them. </p>
<p>Why??????? </p>
<p>The candidates dont want to lose the power. So they are geting it in the most easyest way, by throing millions of dollars on campaigns, getting on the news, charity, giving 5 to celebrities etc. If they are using those tactics ask your selfs, do you think that they care about you.</p>
<p>In simple words: The more stupider the candidate, the more money he has to spent to win, and George Bush is a billionare, long live the empire</p>
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		<title>By: Hardy Machia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hardy Machia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For those of you concerned about the LWV not inviting all candidates, the simple solution is get involved and join the league. FYI, they do let men join (at least in Vermont). My wife and I joined last year. My wife is now on one of their regional boards. They are currently planning on holding a partisan debate, and we are working from the inside to open up to everyone who is on the ballot in Vermont.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of you concerned about the LWV not inviting all candidates, the simple solution is get involved and join the league. FYI, they do let men join (at least in Vermont). My wife and I joined last year. My wife is now on one of their regional boards. They are currently planning on holding a partisan debate, and we are working from the inside to open up to everyone who is on the ballot in Vermont.</p>
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		<title>By: Hardy Machia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hardy Machia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Michael writes: &quot;How many plan to walk their district be it a race for city council or state legislature? ... I have to give Vermont credit for taking the time to raise seed money for their candidates. That is excellent.&quot;

All of Vermont&#039;s candidates for state house will be knocking on all of the doors in their districts. We will be doing district wide voter surveys for id&#039;ing voters. We will be sending as many direct mail pieces as we have funds for. Your donations mean more direct mail pieces. The US Supreme Court recently threw out all of Vermont&#039;s donation and expenditure limits, so please donate at http://www.vtlp.org/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael writes: &#8220;How many plan to walk their district be it a race for city council or state legislature? &#8230; I have to give Vermont credit for taking the time to raise seed money for their candidates. That is excellent.&#8221;</p>
<p>All of Vermont&#8217;s candidates for state house will be knocking on all of the doors in their districts. We will be doing district wide voter surveys for id&#8217;ing voters. We will be sending as many direct mail pieces as we have funds for. Your donations mean more direct mail pieces. The US Supreme Court recently threw out all of Vermont&#8217;s donation and expenditure limits, so please donate at <a href="http://www.vtlp.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.vtlp.org/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sodo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sodo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2006 17:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We also need to play watchdog at the polls.  I once had to berate a poll worker into getting the Libertarian ballots out of the trunk of her car.  She didn&#039;t bother to bring them in because she didn&#039;t think anyone would want one.  No doubt it wasn&#039;t the first time a poll worker made the voters&#039;life easier by keeping the choices down to two parties.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We also need to play watchdog at the polls.  I once had to berate a poll worker into getting the Libertarian ballots out of the trunk of her car.  She didn&#8217;t bother to bring them in because she didn&#8217;t think anyone would want one.  No doubt it wasn&#8217;t the first time a poll worker made the voters&#8217;life easier by keeping the choices down to two parties.</p>
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		<title>By: Deus Ex Machina</title>
		<link>http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/the-walls-third-parties-face-at-every-turn/comment-page-1/#comment-1021518</link>
		<dc:creator>Deus Ex Machina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2006 04:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Michael H. Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael H. Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 23:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rolf writes: &quot;In Tom Cox&#039;s case, a lot more than 5% want drugs legalized. It&#039;s closer to 35% according to polls.&quot;

And I think that if Tom had just kept his mouth shut he would have picked up a percentage or two.  However, there may be another angle.  Less than 10% of Oregon&#039;s prisoners are in for drug offenses, but if you look specifically about 20% of the women are there for that crime.  Although these numbers are old we tried to get him to play the sympathy vote. That being, the mom is in prison because she didn&#039;t have anyone to roll over on.  Her boyfriend got off and she went to the big house.  That routine seems to be a hit with a lot of females and neither the demos or repubs want to deal with it.  I am simplifying it but I think you can uderstand what I am suggesting.
M.H.W.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rolf writes: &#8220;In Tom Cox&#8217;s case, a lot more than 5% want drugs legalized. It&#8217;s closer to 35% according to polls.&#8221;</p>
<p>And I think that if Tom had just kept his mouth shut he would have picked up a percentage or two.  However, there may be another angle.  Less than 10% of Oregon&#8217;s prisoners are in for drug offenses, but if you look specifically about 20% of the women are there for that crime.  Although these numbers are old we tried to get him to play the sympathy vote. That being, the mom is in prison because she didn&#8217;t have anyone to roll over on.  Her boyfriend got off and she went to the big house.  That routine seems to be a hit with a lot of females and neither the demos or repubs want to deal with it.  I am simplifying it but I think you can uderstand what I am suggesting.<br />
M.H.W.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Shepard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Shepard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For an article recently published in the Tacoma, Washington News Tribune on this subject, go here --&gt; http://www.thenewstribune.com/opinion/othervoices/story/5926436p-5230086c.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For an article recently published in the Tacoma, Washington News Tribune on this subject, go here &#8211;&gt; <a href="http://www.thenewstribune.com/opinion/othervoices/story/5926436p-5230086c.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.thenewstribune.com/opinion/othervoices/story/5926436p-5230086c.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rolf Lindgren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rolf Lindgren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Michael,

&quot;He also wrote in his Voter&#039;s Pamphlet statement that he would veto any legislation to legalize drugs. The pamphlet was mailed to some 800,000 homes in Oregon and I had people I never discuss politics with asking how a libertarian could say such a thing.&quot;

Many &quot;conservative&quot; Libertarians are afraid the &quot;drug issue&quot; will scare away voters.

Point 1:  In Tom Cox&#039;s case, a lot more than 5% want drugs legalized.  It&#039;s closer to 35% according to polls.

point 2:  If you want to scare voters, tell them you want to &quot;privatize&quot; public schools and tell the voters you will shut down all public schools (even if public schools are created in your state constitution).

Shutting down all public schools has an approval rating of about 5%.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>&#8220;He also wrote in his Voter&#8217;s Pamphlet statement that he would veto any legislation to legalize drugs. The pamphlet was mailed to some 800,000 homes in Oregon and I had people I never discuss politics with asking how a libertarian could say such a thing.&#8221;</p>
<p>Many &#8220;conservative&#8221; Libertarians are afraid the &#8220;drug issue&#8221; will scare away voters.</p>
<p>Point 1:  In Tom Cox&#8217;s case, a lot more than 5% want drugs legalized.  It&#8217;s closer to 35% according to polls.</p>
<p>point 2:  If you want to scare voters, tell them you want to &#8220;privatize&#8221; public schools and tell the voters you will shut down all public schools (even if public schools are created in your state constitution).</p>
<p>Shutting down all public schools has an approval rating of about 5%.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Ickler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Ickler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 15:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If a Nat&#039;l 3rd party concentrated all resources on one state&#039;s local and state elections over many years where they&#039;ve had past success, eventually they would become relevant. 

I propose that the Libertarian and Constitutional parties merge and take over a western state like AZ or TX. Also, the Green Party and Socialist-type parties could merge and take over VT or MA. These merged parties would be effective alternatives to the Rep. and Dem. parties respectively in those states. 

Once the GP or LP became a force in those states they could try and spread across the country state-by-state. I completely agree that a 3rd party presidential campaign is a total waste. I for one would love to see the Libertarian Party (and I suppose other parties to) GET A TOEHOLD on american politics in this manner. 

Feeling sorry for 3rd parties we like because the system is &quot;rigged&quot; is pathetic. Indeed the &quot;duopoly&quot; has a huge advantage but we can win the smaller battles if we are focused them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a Nat&#8217;l 3rd party concentrated all resources on one state&#8217;s local and state elections over many years where they&#8217;ve had past success, eventually they would become relevant. </p>
<p>I propose that the Libertarian and Constitutional parties merge and take over a western state like AZ or TX. Also, the Green Party and Socialist-type parties could merge and take over VT or MA. These merged parties would be effective alternatives to the Rep. and Dem. parties respectively in those states. </p>
<p>Once the GP or LP became a force in those states they could try and spread across the country state-by-state. I completely agree that a 3rd party presidential campaign is a total waste. I for one would love to see the Libertarian Party (and I suppose other parties to) GET A TOEHOLD on american politics in this manner. </p>
<p>Feeling sorry for 3rd parties we like because the system is &#8220;rigged&#8221; is pathetic. Indeed the &#8220;duopoly&#8221; has a huge advantage but we can win the smaller battles if we are focused them.</p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
		<link>http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/the-walls-third-parties-face-at-every-turn/comment-page-1/#comment-1021103</link>
		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Diebold &amp; ESS can be added to the list.  They&#039;re CERTAINLY the reason we don&#039;t have fair elections.

http://911archive.org/view.php?sec=other&amp;id=17]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diebold &amp; ESS can be added to the list.  They&#8217;re CERTAINLY the reason we don&#8217;t have fair elections.</p>
<p><a href="http://911archive.org/view.php?sec=other&#038;id=17" rel="nofollow">http://911archive.org/view.php?sec=other&#038;id=17</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael H. Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael H. Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rolf writes: &quot;However, Tom Cox of Oregon had told me at the national convention 2004, that he got into governor debates 2002 while only polling at 7% (when the League said he needed 10%).&quot;

  Rolf as I recall the first debate was sponsored by the Business Journal and a Libertarian who works there went to his boss and asked that Tom be in the debate.  That helped in a big way.  BTW Tom got a bit less than 5% of the vote.
He also wrote in his Voter&#039;s Pamphlet statement that he would veto any legislation to legalize drugs.  The pamphlet was mailed to some 800,000 homes in Oregon and I had people I never discuss politics with asking how a libertarian could say such a thing.
M.H.W.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rolf writes: &#8220;However, Tom Cox of Oregon had told me at the national convention 2004, that he got into governor debates 2002 while only polling at 7% (when the League said he needed 10%).&#8221;</p>
<p>  Rolf as I recall the first debate was sponsored by the Business Journal and a Libertarian who works there went to his boss and asked that Tom be in the debate.  That helped in a big way.  BTW Tom got a bit less than 5% of the vote.<br />
He also wrote in his Voter&#8217;s Pamphlet statement that he would veto any legislation to legalize drugs.  The pamphlet was mailed to some 800,000 homes in Oregon and I had people I never discuss politics with asking how a libertarian could say such a thing.<br />
M.H.W.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Jillian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Jillian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Socialist Equality Party has been at the front of this fight in Illinois, where the Democratic Party arbitrarily challenges signatures so that it&#039;s necessary for the party to get twice that which is required by law.  Check it out

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2006/jul2006/illi-j11.shtml]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Socialist Equality Party has been at the front of this fight in Illinois, where the Democratic Party arbitrarily challenges signatures so that it&#8217;s necessary for the party to get twice that which is required by law.  Check it out</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wsws.org/articles/2006/jul2006/illi-j11.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.wsws.org/articles/2006/jul2006/illi-j11.shtml</a></p>
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		<title>By: Harald Korneliussen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harald Korneliussen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s a mathemathical riddle/fable to explain voting problems: The republic of Ingenistan is a new but successful democracy, where the elections are not rigged, and people are not bullied. Now, the former dictator of Ingenistan is a candidate for president, and a journalist conducts a rigorous study of the people&#039;s opinion of him. She finds that 65% of the population agrees with the statement &quot;Anyone is better than the old dictator!&quot;

Yet, the dictator wins. How?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a mathemathical riddle/fable to explain voting problems: The republic of Ingenistan is a new but successful democracy, where the elections are not rigged, and people are not bullied. Now, the former dictator of Ingenistan is a candidate for president, and a journalist conducts a rigorous study of the people&#8217;s opinion of him. She finds that 65% of the population agrees with the statement &#8220;Anyone is better than the old dictator!&#8221;</p>
<p>Yet, the dictator wins. How?</p>
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		<title>By: raincoaster &#187; Paging Ross Perot</title>
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		<dc:creator>raincoaster &#187; Paging Ross Perot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Why US third parties don&#8217;t win elections. From The Hammer of Truth, and greatly abbreviated. We hear it again and again in the news: voters are unhappy with Democrats and Republicans, approval of both major parties is in the dumps and there&#039;s a general dislike for the status quo. So this year, more than any other, I want to give voters the low-down on why the status quo is going to stay the same. Sadly, whether you like it or not. It&#039;s a problem that we&#039;ve only recently become aware of with some regularity thanks to the decrentralization of the Internet: the system is rigged this way. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Why US third parties don&#8217;t win elections. From The Hammer of Truth, and greatly abbreviated. We hear it again and again in the news: voters are unhappy with Democrats and Republicans, approval of both major parties is in the dumps and there&#8217;s a general dislike for the status quo. So this year, more than any other, I want to give voters the low-down on why the status quo is going to stay the same. Sadly, whether you like it or not. It&#8217;s a problem that we&#8217;ve only recently become aware of with some regularity thanks to the decrentralization of the Internet: the system is rigged this way. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Austin Cassidy</title>
		<link>http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/the-walls-third-parties-face-at-every-turn/comment-page-1/#comment-1021013</link>
		<dc:creator>Austin Cassidy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 06:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[

If you have money, you can hire a small staff and buy advertising.  The advertising leads to supporters, donors, and volunteers.

You need lots and lots of volunteers.  The media attention will follow because your volunteers and your advertising will get their attention.

Ballot access is often annoyingly difficult, but for the most part (there are a handful of really extreme states) if you can&#039;t get on the ballot you didn&#039;t really have much of a chance of winning the election anyway.  

Advertising -&gt; Free Media and Volunteers -&gt; Inclusion into Polls -&gt; Inclusion into Debates -&gt; More Free Media -&gt; More Fundraising and Volunteers -&gt; More Advertising -&gt; A Good Showing on Election Day (maybe even winning!)

Another terrible habit is the &quot;Hi, how are ya? Can I be mayor?&quot; situation where a guy moves to a new city and within 3 years he&#039;s working on his second run for mayor or city council or something.  Winning candidates put down roots in the community!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you have money, you can hire a small staff and buy advertising.  The advertising leads to supporters, donors, and volunteers.</p>
<p>You need lots and lots of volunteers.  The media attention will follow because your volunteers and your advertising will get their attention.</p>
<p>Ballot access is often annoyingly difficult, but for the most part (there are a handful of really extreme states) if you can&#8217;t get on the ballot you didn&#8217;t really have much of a chance of winning the election anyway.  </p>
<p>Advertising -&gt; Free Media and Volunteers -&gt; Inclusion into Polls -&gt; Inclusion into Debates -&gt; More Free Media -&gt; More Fundraising and Volunteers -&gt; More Advertising -&gt; A Good Showing on Election Day (maybe even winning!)</p>
<p>Another terrible habit is the &#8220;Hi, how are ya? Can I be mayor?&#8221; situation where a guy moves to a new city and within 3 years he&#8217;s working on his second run for mayor or city council or something.  Winning candidates put down roots in the community!</p>
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		<title>By: Austin Cassidy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Austin Cassidy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 06:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Third party candidates can and do win elections when they run proper campaigns.  If you want to run for State Senate in Florida, for example, you&#039;ll need between $250,000 and $400,000 to win a seat.  Plus, your campaign needs to start AT LEAST 18 months before the election and you need to have an office, staff, and campaign materials handled way out in advance.  Commercials for television and radio produced, etc.

What third party candidate for any office... hell, even Presidential candidate, has actually done this?  

Then, the other &quot;kicker&quot; is that the candidate has to have two vital traits: 

(1) Credibility and experience, specifically in the political or business world.  And being treasurer of your county&#039;s party doesn&#039;t cut it.

(2) A platform that addresses the issues other candidates are talking about, isn&#039;t so radical that people dismiss you as nut, and can be easily related in 3 to 5 quick &quot;points&quot; on literature and in speeches.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Third party candidates can and do win elections when they run proper campaigns.  If you want to run for State Senate in Florida, for example, you&#8217;ll need between $250,000 and $400,000 to win a seat.  Plus, your campaign needs to start AT LEAST 18 months before the election and you need to have an office, staff, and campaign materials handled way out in advance.  Commercials for television and radio produced, etc.</p>
<p>What third party candidate for any office&#8230; hell, even Presidential candidate, has actually done this?  </p>
<p>Then, the other &#8220;kicker&#8221; is that the candidate has to have two vital traits: </p>
<p>(1) Credibility and experience, specifically in the political or business world.  And being treasurer of your county&#8217;s party doesn&#8217;t cut it.</p>
<p>(2) A platform that addresses the issues other candidates are talking about, isn&#8217;t so radical that people dismiss you as nut, and can be easily related in 3 to 5 quick &#8220;points&#8221; on literature and in speeches.</p>
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		<title>By: Lex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 05:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s the system that&#039;s broken.  If we all had to (or got to) live under the government we voted for, everyone would put a lot more time and effort into the decision.

As it stands now, we are relegated to living under the government of the ill-informed masses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the system that&#8217;s broken.  If we all had to (or got to) live under the government we voted for, everyone would put a lot more time and effort into the decision.</p>
<p>As it stands now, we are relegated to living under the government of the ill-informed masses.</p>
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		<title>By: Lex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 05:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t blame the media, blame the voters.  Every serious candidate from every party has a decent website, and any voter  who cares can go read them and decide who to vote for.

Most people just plain don&#039;t care, because they perceive (perhaps justly) that their votes make zero difference.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t blame the media, blame the voters.  Every serious candidate from every party has a decent website, and any voter  who cares can go read them and decide who to vote for.</p>
<p>Most people just plain don&#8217;t care, because they perceive (perhaps justly) that their votes make zero difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Kinky is Awesome</title>
		<link>http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/the-walls-third-parties-face-at-every-turn/comment-page-1/#comment-1020988</link>
		<dc:creator>Kinky is Awesome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 05:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s my official list of 10 reasons Texas Republicans should vote for Kinky (I stole this list from a whiney liberal, but I fixed it to take out the whining):
(1) Kinky has run for office in the past as a Republican,

(2) Kinky voted for Bush/Cheney in 2004,

(3) Kinky&#039;s interview with Ruminator magazine confirms that he supported Bush&#039;s Middle East foreign policy,

(4) Kinky&#039;s public voting records confirm he was mistaken when he said he voted for Gore in 2000,

(5) Kinky hasn&#039;t voted for a Democrat in any election at least from 1994 to 2004,

(6) Kinky wants to take time during the school day for prayers in schools,

(7) Kinky wants to post the Ten Commandments in public school classrooms,

(8) Kinky is not obsessed with political correctness,

(9) Kinky knows how to deal with illegal aliens from Mexico, and

(10) Kinky&#039;s immigration policy of hiring Mexican generals to police our border is a great idea that John McCain has endorsed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s my official list of 10 reasons Texas Republicans should vote for Kinky (I stole this list from a whiney liberal, but I fixed it to take out the whining):<br />
(1) Kinky has run for office in the past as a Republican,</p>
<p>(2) Kinky voted for Bush/Cheney in 2004,</p>
<p>(3) Kinky&#8217;s interview with Ruminator magazine confirms that he supported Bush&#8217;s Middle East foreign policy,</p>
<p>(4) Kinky&#8217;s public voting records confirm he was mistaken when he said he voted for Gore in 2000,</p>
<p>(5) Kinky hasn&#8217;t voted for a Democrat in any election at least from 1994 to 2004,</p>
<p>(6) Kinky wants to take time during the school day for prayers in schools,</p>
<p>(7) Kinky wants to post the Ten Commandments in public school classrooms,</p>
<p>(8) Kinky is not obsessed with political correctness,</p>
<p>(9) Kinky knows how to deal with illegal aliens from Mexico, and</p>
<p>(10) Kinky&#8217;s immigration policy of hiring Mexican generals to police our border is a great idea that John McCain has endorsed.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Trigg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Trigg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 04:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll take exception to Carl&#039;s first comment. While I see the argument that a well-oiled campaign should be able to overcome most ballot access hurdles, that doesn&#039;t account for the massive time and expense jumping those hurdles that could be used on actual campaigning. Not to mention challenges (in Illinois anyway) that delay knowing you are on the ballot for sure until mid-August, as the GP is experiencing right now.

As for which state is the worst, it depends on which office you are talking about. For state legislature, Illinois is the worst for independent candidates of any election jurisdiction in the world. Statewide office Illinois isn&#039;t that bad, but I&#039;d say we contend with Georgia for the worst US House requirements. We have 90 days to get 5% of the last vote, they have 180 days to 5% of registered voters. On a sig per day basis, Illinois is worse. And in Illinois there is no way to petition for all partisan races in the state. That would take about 4 million sigs in 90 days.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll take exception to Carl&#8217;s first comment. While I see the argument that a well-oiled campaign should be able to overcome most ballot access hurdles, that doesn&#8217;t account for the massive time and expense jumping those hurdles that could be used on actual campaigning. Not to mention challenges (in Illinois anyway) that delay knowing you are on the ballot for sure until mid-August, as the GP is experiencing right now.</p>
<p>As for which state is the worst, it depends on which office you are talking about. For state legislature, Illinois is the worst for independent candidates of any election jurisdiction in the world. Statewide office Illinois isn&#8217;t that bad, but I&#8217;d say we contend with Georgia for the worst US House requirements. We have 90 days to get 5% of the last vote, they have 180 days to 5% of registered voters. On a sig per day basis, Illinois is worse. And in Illinois there is no way to petition for all partisan races in the state. That would take about 4 million sigs in 90 days.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Trigg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Trigg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 04:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And on the why they don&#039;t win theme, one strong influence was over-looked. You have to have substantial ground troops going door to door year after year. It&#039;s old school, but it&#039;s still the best way to get votes. Building relationships with your neighbors and community can&#039;t be beat. 

When I was in the LP I walked my precinct three straight campaign years, and for three straight elections my precinct had more votes for the LP candidates than every other precinct in the county, increasing each election. And I didn&#039;t walk it enough and just stuck flyers in most doors instead of going back to talk to each household. I didn&#039;t even half-ass it in other words. Our US Senate candidate got beat by the independent in all but a few counties, and mine was one. 

&quot;Oh yeah, I know that Libertarian guy that came by to talk about his candidate and lives around the corner. He wasn&#039;t a wacko so his candidate must not be that bad.&quot; Needless to say, going door to door isn&#039;t everyone&#039;s strong suit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And on the why they don&#8217;t win theme, one strong influence was over-looked. You have to have substantial ground troops going door to door year after year. It&#8217;s old school, but it&#8217;s still the best way to get votes. Building relationships with your neighbors and community can&#8217;t be beat. </p>
<p>When I was in the LP I walked my precinct three straight campaign years, and for three straight elections my precinct had more votes for the LP candidates than every other precinct in the county, increasing each election. And I didn&#8217;t walk it enough and just stuck flyers in most doors instead of going back to talk to each household. I didn&#8217;t even half-ass it in other words. Our US Senate candidate got beat by the independent in all but a few counties, and mine was one. </p>
<p>&#8220;Oh yeah, I know that Libertarian guy that came by to talk about his candidate and lives around the corner. He wasn&#8217;t a wacko so his candidate must not be that bad.&#8221; Needless to say, going door to door isn&#8217;t everyone&#8217;s strong suit.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Trigg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Trigg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 04:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the link. I&#039;m not a fan of the LWV either. In 2002, the LP candidate for Governor Cal Skinner polled over 5% and the LWV invited him to their debate. Ryan and Blagojevich turned down the LWV debate for the first time in some 40 years. They went to debates where Cal was not invited.

So in 2004 the LWV upped their requirement to 10% in a poll. There was only one poll done with all four ballot candidates and they wouldn&#039;t accept the &quot;within the margin&quot; agrument. Alan Keyes even held a joint press conference with us demanding all 4 candidates be included in the debates. It was golden boy Barack Obama who refused to include the LP and independent candidate while we were all at the planning meetings. I do think the LWV would have waved the 10% requirement if anti-Democrat Obama hadn&#039;t insisted. The debates are a big fundraiser for them so they were looking after their interests I&#039;m sure, for what that is worth. The Rs and Ds forced them exclude us by passing on their debates.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link. I&#8217;m not a fan of the LWV either. In 2002, the LP candidate for Governor Cal Skinner polled over 5% and the LWV invited him to their debate. Ryan and Blagojevich turned down the LWV debate for the first time in some 40 years. They went to debates where Cal was not invited.</p>
<p>So in 2004 the LWV upped their requirement to 10% in a poll. There was only one poll done with all four ballot candidates and they wouldn&#8217;t accept the &#8220;within the margin&#8221; agrument. Alan Keyes even held a joint press conference with us demanding all 4 candidates be included in the debates. It was golden boy Barack Obama who refused to include the LP and independent candidate while we were all at the planning meetings. I do think the LWV would have waved the 10% requirement if anti-Democrat Obama hadn&#8217;t insisted. The debates are a big fundraiser for them so they were looking after their interests I&#8217;m sure, for what that is worth. The Rs and Ds forced them exclude us by passing on their debates.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Crawford</title>
		<link>http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/the-walls-third-parties-face-at-every-turn/comment-page-1/#comment-1020955</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Crawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 04:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, no one here is really hitting on a big source of the problem. It&#039;s the people of our nation that are wronging the third-parties. Such an insane amount of voters are rigid and stubborn and set that they will never change their vote or even consider to change it. &quot;No, that&#039;s stupid, We&#039;re right and that&#039;s stupid,&quot;; that&#039;s how these people are raised, and change to so many of them is like a cancer. Granted the LP and GP and other third parties are losing out on the for-mentiond concepts in this article, but it&#039;s the fact that so many voters have been raised to see only two parties. Try and convince a midwestern or Bible-belt Christian that there may be another view on religion and you will get shut out completly. That is because they were raised only seeing that. And that&#039;s all that basically every generation in this and the last century have been raised seeing. Aim at the schools for reform. If we can teach political deversity at younger ages, then maybe a real reform will take hold.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, no one here is really hitting on a big source of the problem. It&#8217;s the people of our nation that are wronging the third-parties. Such an insane amount of voters are rigid and stubborn and set that they will never change their vote or even consider to change it. &#8220;No, that&#8217;s stupid, We&#8217;re right and that&#8217;s stupid,&#8221;; that&#8217;s how these people are raised, and change to so many of them is like a cancer. Granted the LP and GP and other third parties are losing out on the for-mentiond concepts in this article, but it&#8217;s the fact that so many voters have been raised to see only two parties. Try and convince a midwestern or Bible-belt Christian that there may be another view on religion and you will get shut out completly. That is because they were raised only seeing that. And that&#8217;s all that basically every generation in this and the last century have been raised seeing. Aim at the schools for reform. If we can teach political deversity at younger ages, then maybe a real reform will take hold.</p>
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