The time for Libertarian action is now!

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Because of Libertarian presidential campaigns I’ve worked and my current work at the LP office, it’s a rare day indeed that I don’t hear Stephen VanDyke’s “Libertarians need to…” or comments like this one:

LP headquarters, are you awake? [snip]
Geez! I am getting soooo tired of LP inaction!

(It’s somewhat ironic that the person who left this comment did so on an LP blog posting bringing attention to this particular issue.)

Pundits are repeatedly suggesting that if the GOP maintains control of either the House or the Senate, it will be because of VoterVault, their database application which assists local Get-Out-The-Vote efforts for the Republican Party. Despite having considerably fewer financial resources than the Republicans and the Democrats, the LP is not being inactive. As a matter of fact, I just drove from Houston to D.C. so I can stay awake day and night for the next few days to help with our GOTV efforts around the country.

Libertarian National Committee chair Bill Redpath was just on C-Span (no video link available yet). One of the things he discussed was the Libertarian Party’s BallotBase operation. It provides an easy way for people across the country to make telephone calls to help support Libertarian campaigns immediately before Election Day.

That’s right, if you have Internet access and a telephone (or cell or Vonage or Skype or whatever), you can help LP candidates greatly increase their vote totals. We’ve already proven that BallotBase helps in test cases. In our first test case in California CD-50, we tripled the vote of Libertarian Paul King in the special election there. In the Vermont primaries, one of the races for which we used BallotBase won by one vote! BallotBase does work, but it can’t work without you.

Depending upon your time zone and the exact time you read this posting, we’ve got around 72 hours to place absolutely as many phone calls as we can in support of Libertarian candidates. You’ll get your choice of race (in some cases even specialized target lists) which you can assist. Here’s some of the races (different campaigns have different rules and start and stop at various times thoughout the day) which could use your help:

hmachia.jpgHardy Machia: Hardy is another of those Vermont Libertarians who has a great shot at a State House race. He served the Islands on the Grand Isle Selectboard in 1999 and 2000–as its Chair during the second of those years. He has also served as Justice of the Peace and as Grand Isle’s Town Representative to the Northwest Regional Planning Commission. Recently, Hardy helped spearhead a community coalition to expand broadband access to the islands.

He’s been busy personally contacting voters about key issues for his campaign: controlling spending, protecting their lake, reducing healthcare costs and improving education. This is certainly a case where any single phone call could be the one which makes the difference between loss and another Libertarian Party victory.

smither.jpgBob Smither: Smither is one of two candidates on the ballot in Tom DeLay’s old district. In addition to Smither and the Democrat, there are several Republican write-ins, one of whom the GOP has been spending millions to convince voters that a write-in candidate can win. Despite heavy NRCC advertising, polling numbers are all over the place — and there is no real way to poll for a wierd write-in campaign like this. Most polling shows the Democrat with his consistent base of around 40 percent of the vote. Smither has been between 4 and 25 percent and the write-in Republican has been between 8 and 35 percent of the vote. Even at this late minute, around one quarter of the voters are still undecided.

We can be sure that the write-in will get less votes than polled because of her cumbersome name, the fact that electronic voting equipment will be used, a demoralized Republican base and that she won’t get any votes from people who press the party line button. It’s imperative that we provide voters a conservative choice in this traditionally 65 percent Republican district.

Bob Smither (Part Two): There are two sets of telephone calls going out for Bob Smither. Residents of Houston remember the long search for Bob Smither’s daughter Laura when she disappeared and her body was later found in 1997. Since then, Smither has founded the Laura Recovery Center for missing children in Friendswood, TX and he currently serves on the Board of Directors of the Houston Regional Amber Plan.

While the other candidates campaign on helping the children, Smither has been doing it in real life — not just for TV. His Democratic opponent reportedly had to be kicked off the search grounds for political grandstanding while the search for Laura Smither was ongoing. According to locals, Lampson was posing for the cameras and getting in the way of workers instead of getting his boots dirty. It’s important that the voters in the district contrast who makes loud noises about helping children and who actually does it.

rbell.jpgRex Bell: Rex is running for Indiana State House District 54. He’s the chairman of his county Libertarian Party affiliate and has been married for thirty years to the only elected Libertarian judge in Indiana.

He ran for county council in 2002, a district race where he received 30 percent of the vote. In 2004, he ran for county commissioner, a county wide race in which he received 25 percent of the vote. He was appointed to the Hagerstown Plan Commission and the Board of Zoning Appeals in 2003.

Recent polling data shows him at 33 percent, with the Republican at 35 percent and the Democrat at 31 percent of the vote. No rocket science is required to see why assisting this campaign is important.

maymin.jpgPhil Maymin: He’s been all over the debates and all over the news. In case you missed it, you can catch both his latest television commercial and an interview with MSNBC’s Tucker Carlson here. Like other Libertarian candidates, Maymin is drawing the distinction between himself and his Democratic opponent by being clearly and unapoligeticly opposed to our military presence in Iraq. If this is your hot-button issue, then Maymin is clearly your man.

This is just a highlight; there are additional campaigns you can support and others may be going online before Election Day. Unlike voting, you can call early and often with BallotBase.

BallotBase is important and it works — but it can’t work without you. Libertarians (myself included) spend a lot of time criticizing others for not actually getting anything accomplished. I’ve been one of those Libertarians screaming “the Libertarian Party needs to…”

The Libertarian Party just did it’s part and now it’s up to all of us to do ours. We’ve got the opportunity now to put our mouths where, well, our mouths have been. As soon as I hit the “Publish” button, I’m logging in to make a few calls. I’m asking the same of you.

If you’ve already signed up, please login at BallotBase.org and start calling. If you’ve not registered, please do so here. We’ve got people standing by in the national office to immediately validate your registration. We’ve added a chat room for support, calling ideas and just plain old fun. If you require additional assistance, please feel free to give us a call at (202) 333-0008 from approximately 10AM to 10PM ET.

The choice is simple and the choice is yours. You can either sit on the sidelines and complain that the coach won’t let you play, or you can run out on the field and be a vital part of making Libertarian Party history.

Disclaimer: Stephen Gordon is the Communications Director for the Libertarian Party.

posted by Stephen Gordon
  • Timothy West

    I’m pretty much on the sidelines becuase of health matters and money issues. My voice isnt even strong enough to make ballotbase calls. Sux.

  • http://www.toddforhouse.com ben todd

    I agree. My wife made over 90 calls for David Atkinson ( the candidate in Vermont who won by one vote)

    We have made calls for three campaigns so far.

  • http://colhogan.blogspot.com Col. Hogan

    Though I vote for Libertarians, I’m not active in the Party. Not since McBride. This is because I take the pledge to never initiate force seriously, and I oppose “libertarians” who don’t. There are many “libertarians” who don’t take the pledge (and all it means) to be the iron-clad contract it was meant to be, in the LP.

    I’m of the opinion that LP ought be used more to educate than to get people elected. If someone gets elected, fine, but compromising one’s libertarian principles to either get elected nor to fulfill the requirements of the office shouldn’t be necessary.

    Ours is a war of ideas, not a wrestling match with entrenched statists. That, we can never win.

  • Stephen VanDyke

    The reason I posted that was out of exasperation with everyone always claiming that we need to do x before y will happen. Frankly I’m just sick of the infighting in the LP and would like to tell these people that if they feel so strong about us doing something… GO DO IT!

    Stop waiting for the LP to hold your hand, and when the LP does have ideas (like Ballot Base), if you agree with it… do it. If you disagree… stop pissing on the rest of us who are trying to do something.

  • undercover_anarchist

    I’ve never been more proud to call myself a Libertarian. This is very good stuff. Kudos, Mr. Gordon.

  • Zander C

    Col. Hogan: “We can never win” never won anything.

    I’m part of the LP and I absolutely disagree with the “never can win – we need to educate” attitude. I joined a political party, not an education society.

    Political parties exist to get their candidates elected and as a result change public policy.

    We CAN win. Indeed, we MUST try our hardest to win, or we lack moral integrity.

    It’s clear in the 30 years of the existence of the party that “Education Society” didn’t get us elected. “Freedom, Self-Ownership, and Gold Standard” didn’t get us elected.

    Look at Phil Maymin, look at Rex Bell, look at Garrett Hayes. Torture in Iraq is now acknowledged by Chris Shays in CT. Property Tax relief is now under discussion in Indiana. Income Tax abolition is talked about in Georgia.

    This did not happen because the LP is an Education Society. Serious candidates took serious positions on serious issues, not because the LP was holding classes on “Self-ownership”.

  • undercover_anarchist

    I would also like to say that, at the national level, the LP is BY FAR the strongest third party. In fact, it is a bit insulting to even compare it to the other national third parties.

    Pro-rata, it is probably better organized than the Dems, even.

    The problem is with the state parties. Some are good. Most are horrible. What can be done about this?

  • Stephen VanDyke

    undercover_anarchist: whatever state you are in, reach out to the candidates who are running for office this season and ask them to in turn reach out to their supporters (email lists, contributors, volunteers). Have them roll them into their state (and county) party’s communications lists to keep people informed (a one-time opt-in email would be the most polite way to do this). Use whatever momentum has been built up in 2006 and KEEP BUILDING MOMENTUM.

    The biggest failure in the LP is that we shrug the day after election day and end up tossing all our work out the window, forcing everyone to build from scratch (or very close to it). This needs to come to a halt.

    This year we need to not only campaign up to election day, but keep campaigning November 8th and pointing it out when those people who just got (re)elected fail in their policies and how our folks would have done better.

    Ballot Base looks like one of many great steps in that direction and it’s good to see the LP is doing something so simple (and yet amazingly useful for campaigns).

  • IanC

    UA — I really wish I knew. AZ has its own problems, mostly associated with the total melt-down of the party a few years ago. Ahh, well.

    I’ve made a few calls, as time permitted, today as well.

    To the Colonel, I make the following statement: Suppose just as a postulate that someone representing at least *decently* libertarian ideology — enough that he could be mistaken for a ‘real’ libertarian by the populace at large — were to be elected to a level of national responsibility, under the ticket of the LP.

    I ask you this question under that hypothetical situation: How much attention would people pay to us? How much education could we then do?

    The two causes are the same; acknowledge this synthesis and end your arbitrary refutation of the cause-at-hand.

  • undercover_anarchist

    SVD – The problem is that bad state parties produce and encourage bad candidates. Even though I disagree with Mr. Maymin on what I consider to be two very critical issues, (abortion and immigration), I would still be proud to cast my vote for him because he is such a GOOD CANDIDATE. But when the candidates are paper jokes, what can be done? I’m not even going to vote for more than one LP candidate, let alone reach out to them – they don’t want to be reached out to! They want to be anonymous ballot line fillers. Dondipshit will tell you that gubenatorial candidate is an exception, but when a statewide candidate pledges to raise $500 or less (I gave him $100, and he claims to have raised $3000 on lp.org, so he’s lying one way or another), then he doesn’t deserve any additional help, does he?

  • http://crazyforliberty.com Doug Craig

    Hey guy how about this, the kids who are voting in Georgia for the first ( 18 years old) have had a Libertarian on statewide ballot since the day they were born.

  • Daniel N Adams

    I didn’t have a lot of time today, But I signed on and made 20 calls. I plan to do more tomorrow. I hope it helps. As Stephen said, Go do it. Might help, might not, can’t hurt. The way I see it, if it increases votes, great, let’s do more of it. If it doesn’t, we can cross it off the list. The only sure thing comes from doing nothing.

  • Stephen VanDyke

    Doug Craig: We got you beat here in Ohio… 24 years. A lot of disaffected Republicans are seeing Peirce as a viable choice (a protest vote still, unfortunately) and aren’t afraid to vote for him since it’s assumed that Strickland already has it in the bag.

  • http://walterindenver.com Walter

    What chaps me the most is when someone complains about LP action, or inaction, when the complainer does very little to change the situation. The LP, and even the larger parties, are small organizations in terms of repeat volunteers. A single committed activist can change the fate of a statewide party organization. As the old ad used to urge us, just do it.

  • Timothy West

    I did get a video made for the Bill Wood campaign, so it wasnt all bad. I was feeling pretty bad at the time and it shows though.

  • brian g

    i’ve registered for ballot base – now what? will someone send me some phone numbers or something? i don’t see anything else on the website.

  • George Whitfield

    Daniel Adams, Walter, Doug Craig, Brian g, Timothy West, and anyone I forgot to mention: your actions are what makes things happen. Thank you. We can bring about great changes for liberty if we all do what we can.

  • http://www.woodforcongress.com Bill Wood

    I want to thank Tim West for his hard work on putting together a video for my campaign. I know he spent many, many hours on this production and all at no charge to the campaign. He had to work with non professional actors, no sound studio and no other types of professionals the other Campaigns have at their beck and call.

    To view video you can find it at http://www.woodforcongress.com and click on videos.

    Also the video can be found on youtube. Search for Wood for Congress

    Thank you Tim for caring about “Liberty”

    Bill

  • http://www.reformthelp.org Carl

    Ballot Base and Candidate Tracker are the most productive things to come out of HQ in many a year, if not ever. For too long, HQ has focused too much effort on getting national attention and supporting the presidential campaigns. The change in focus towards providing assistance to down-ticket races in those areas where there are economies of scale is wonderful.

    CT is particularly clever. During the SPT days we discussed ways to concentrate resources towards promising races. The fairness problem kept raising its ugly head. CT solves that problem nicely. I think your formula will need adjusting, but since ye plan to do this after more data comes in, this is not a complaint.

    Kudos.

  • paulie

    Have them roll them into their state (and county) party’s communications lists to keep people informed (a one-time opt-in email would be the most polite way to do this). Use whatever momentum has been built up in 2006 and KEEP BUILDING MOMENTUM.

    The biggest failure in the LP is that we shrug the day after election day and end up tossing all our work out the window, forcing everyone to build from scratch (or very close to it). This needs to come to a halt.

    Very true. This type of organizational dysfunction has a lot more to do with the LP not getting further ahead than our former platform.

  • http://colhogan.blogspot.com Col. Hogan

    While I respect the LP for what it might be and ought to be, I maintain that the “libertarian” who won’t take the pledge to never initiate force, and take it seriously, is no libertarian at all. Moreover, he does damage to the party and the philosophy.

    One can respect (to a limited degree) and vote for a statist in libertarian clothing to a limited degree, much like we might respect and vote for Dick Armey or maybe Dana Rohrabacher, but we should remain cognizant of the fact that they’re not really libertarians. They’re merely statists of a somewhat less repugnant sort. Possibly, if we talk nice to them, they’ll one day come around…..

  • paulie

    Col. Hogan,

    You’re wrong to think that far right Republicans are less repugnant than other statists.

    http://www.mises.org/story/2099

  • Tom Bryant

    Someone may want to tell Col. Hogan that every LP member has to sign the pledge. The vast majority of LP candidates are also LP members. So I’m not sure what purpose rising a stink about the pledge has to do with the subject matter at hand.

  • http://colhogan.blogspot.com Col. Hogan

    This is where my qualification “and take it seriously” comes into play.

    Some members take the pledge with fingers crossed, then might vote to allow government to, for example, force a doctor to give up his services at government-mandated rates, if elected.

    There are many sorts of fake libertarians within the LP. I’ve spoken with some of them.

  • Timothy West

    (best Col. Clink voice) HOGAN!!!!!

  • paulie

    LOL

  • 5th of November

    ‘Get out the Vote’ efforts are meaningless. Why does anyone think this year will be different? The neo-cons already stole 2 presidential elections (wide scale fraud). You really think they cannot steal House elections (small scale fraud)? This is the same group that managed to legalize warrantless wiretaps, suspend habeas corpus, ban books like “America Deceived” from Amazon, detain demonstrators and start 2 illegal wars based on lies. The Republicans will probably lose a few seats to make it look good but maintain a majority. Then they’ll invade Iran on behalf of Israel.
    Support indy media.
    Final link (before Google Books bends to gov’t will and drops the title):
    http://www.iuniverse.com/bookstore/book_detail.asp?&isbn=0-595-38523-0

  • Devious David

    Sham or not, it is our duty you use whatever peaceful means we have at our disposal and the election is among them.

    It’s also proven to work as a means of educating people and getting them interested. Harry Browne had that effect in a big way. Kubby, for instance would bring a lot of attention to an issue. Winning at all costs is pointless, of course. But, getting the issues and parts of the philosophy out there are effective.

    I would like to see some POST election TV and radio ads by our top candidates. How about Bob Smither on TV a month AFTER the election telling those Republicans that they are idiots, in a more kind way. With the proper message and delivery, it could bring a lot of his voters over to the LP. How about Badnarik telling people what McCaul is going to be doing to them over the next couple years? Hayes telling Georgians that Sonny was a wasted vote? Etc etc. This could have interesting effects.

    Oh, and I will have some money to put into it too.

  • Devious David

    Taking the “wasted vote” and turning it around on the DR’s might get people over the post-election hump and move them towards the LP. It could stick in their minds after the post-election “my lesser evil candidate lost anyway” disappointment. In particular since the Republicans might be picking up more seats.

  • jnice

    David: I would love to see and/or hear some post-election ads, and maybe that could happen if enough people were willing to contribute to such a thing.

  • dave

    My response to the wasted vote question is that a vote is more about values than candidates. If you vote for your values, the other candidates may adopt those values to win your approval during their term and to get your vote next time. I’ve heard that the democratic party adopted the socialist/totalitarian party line to quell the rise of the socialist/totalitarians.

  • http://www.mainstreamlibertarian.com Eric Dondero

    Col. Hagen, perhaps you’re an Anarchist and not a libertarian at all. The so-called NAP (which really stands for New Alliance Party), is a kooky fringe Anarchist pledge that nobody outside a tiny crackpot group of Radical LPers take seriously.

    Last time I checked nobody died and left you boss to decide what is and what is not libertarian.

  • Andy

    “I’m part of the LP and I absolutely disagree with the ‘never can win – we need to educate’ attitude. I joined a political party, not an education society.”

    I agree. Often times the best way to educate people is through a campaign. I found out about the Libertarian Party because of the Harry Browne for President campaign in ’96.

  • Andy

    “Col. Hagen, perhaps you’re an Anarchist and not a libertarian at all. The so-called NAP (which really stands for New Alliance Party), is a kooky fringe Anarchist pledge that nobody outside a tiny crackpot group of Radical LPers take seriously.”

    An anarchist is a purest libertarian. I think that one can be an anarchist or a minarchist and be considered a libertarian.

  • http://www.lpalabama.org/blog/14 paulie cannoli

    ”˜Get out the Vote’ efforts are meaningless. Why does anyone think this year will be different?

    Huh? GOTV efforts make a huge difference in campaign results – what campaign school did you attend?

    The neo-cons already stole 2 presidential elections (wide scale fraud). You really think they cannot steal House elections (small scale fraud)? This is the same group that managed to legalize warrantless wiretaps, suspend habeas corpus

    True, but….

    What does this have to do with LP get out the votes efforts?

    You don’t think they’ll be cheating _us_ out of control of the Congress, do you?

    detain demonstrators and start 2 illegal wars based on lies. The Republicans will probably lose a few seats to make it look good but maintain a majority.

    You may well be right.

    Might as well make the most of our freedom to dissent while it still exists to some extent.

  • http://www.lpalabama.org/blog/14 paulie cannoli

    anarchist is a purest libertarian. I think that one can be an anarchist or a minarchist and be considered a libertarian.

    Correct.

    But the problem here is Eric’s idea of what a libertarian is.

    Eric thinks the following are libertarians or close:

    Bill O’Reilly
    Zell Miller
    Arnold Schwarzenegger
    Jeb Bush
    George W. Bush
    Katherine Harris
    Rudolf Giuliani
    Joe Lieberman

    Maybe he’s dyslexic, and has his Nolan chart upside down in his head?

  • http://www.ncc-1776.org Balph Eubank

    Col. Hogan is right! What the LP needs is a good honest purge. We need to get membership down to the 3000 REAL libertarians. We need to expel people like Bob Smither, Bruce Guthrie and Rex Bell, people who dare to taint ideology with practical and political considerations.

    Only then can we truly be united. Then we can perform the libertarian mind-meld. We can be ONE because we are all individuals!

  • http://www.vtlp.org/ Hardy Machia

    Brian G,

    Once you register for BallotBase, then you want to go to the site (www.ballotbase.org), log in, and click the Call Center tab.

    You will see a list of campaigns that you can make calls for. Vermont will be opening at 9AM this morning. Click on one of the campaigns and you will be presented with a phone number and a script. Call the phone number. Read the script (as naturally as possible), and click the correct button on the right side of the screen when you are down.

    If you need more help, read the Getting Started page.

    - Hardy

  • http://www.vtlp.org/ Hardy Machia

    Col. Hogan,

    My suggestion is that you start educating voters about Libertarians. I suggest you make calls for Andrew Thomas’s campaign in Vermont. You will be able to talk to hundreds of Vermonters and let them know what a Libertarian candidates stands for. Direct one on one. This is focused education. The results of this education will be an elected Libertarian to the Vermont State House, who can then continue educating others on Libertarianism.

    - Hardy

  • http://www.vtlp.org/ Hardy Machia

    On behalf of all of the Vermont Libertarian running for office and who are having phones calls made for them today (from 9AM to 9PM). We like to thank all of you who are participating in the nuts and bolts of political action by helping us get out the vote in our races. We will have some close races, which 50 votes will make a difference. Over 30 of voters in Vermont haven’t made up their mind yet, so contacting them today could be the difference.

    Thank you, thank you, thank you.

    - Hardy Machia
    Vermont LP Chair & State House candidate

  • R. E. Lee

    What’s the climate like for those making phone calls on behalf of candidates? An acquaintance making calls for a local endangered Congresscritter says he encounters 90% hang ups and assorted hostility. Last time he’ll ever volunteer to make unsolicited phone calls, even to registered party members, he says.

  • MLS

    Ballot Base calls are certainly going much better than that. 90%?

  • Stephen Gordon

    I don’t have today’s data, but our hangup rate though yesterday (all campaigns) is slightly less than 19%.

  • http://www.vtlp.org/ Hardy Machia

    The callers are saying how nice the people in Vermont are to call. Vermont voters seem willing to listen.

  • undercover_anarchist

    R.E. Lee’s friend is calling for Mark Foley. The other 10% of responses are heavy breathing.

  • R. E. Lee

    Devious David makes a good point. Our candidates should continue to be in contact with the public, reminding them what they would have done different from the turkey who was elected. Every voting district needs an LP shadow government that responds to issues as they arise, not just
    during the electioneering cycle.

  • undercover_anarchist

    “People in Vermont are nice? NO! They are liberals and they must be destroyed! Death to the homosexual agenda! Long live our Fuhrer Geroge Bush II, Libertarian Auotocrat for Life!” – Erica Dondildo

  • Tom Bryant

    I’d like to take this opportunity, one day before the election to say that I’m not lifting a finger to help any candidates. Instead, I will be contribute to the movement by doing one or more of the following:

    A. Bring up old campaign scandels from years ago.
    B. Complain that the LP is dead because of changes made at convention.
    C. Complain that the LP is dead because of changes not made at convention.
    D. Encourage libertarians not to vote because Diebold has it rigged anyways
    E. Encourage libertarians not to vote because that gives credibility to the secret Mason/Mormon/Jewish/New World Order/Illuminati/Nazi/or Martian run government which we think is our own.
    F. Rant about a former or current state chairman who did me wrong
    G. Rant about a former or current county chairman who did me wrong
    H. Bemoan that not every LP candidates agrees with me on every issue.

    I hope more Libertarians join me in this endeavor. Only then we will succeed! To the keyboard and to victory!!!

  • paulie

    What the heck?

    At least two of my comments from this AM seem to have been black holed.

  • http://freelancify.com Nigel Watt

    Just made a bunch of calls for Hardy Machia. Vermonters are nice folks.

  • kcjerith

    Paulie? what the hell are you saying to get black holed so much?

  • paulie

    Nothing, it appears it was a technical problem and the comments are back now.

  • Stephen VanDyke

    No one is getting blackholed. Our spam filter gets aggressive when someone like paulie makes lots of comments in a short time period. I’ve pulled them out of moderation.

  • paulie

    kthx

  • http://colhogan.blogspot.com Col. Hogan

    I’m not interested in forcing anyone to do anything, but I am trying to relate my own position, which is what I do at the Dirty Lab. No one has the right to initiate force against another. By extension, government (of, by and for the people) also has no right to initiate force against anyone.

    I’ve read of several attempts to have “the pledge” removed from the LP membership form. While the pledge has so far survived, I’ve not been satisfied with it the intensity of its defense by members. These attempts should be met with outrage and expulsion.

    The reason? I don’t want to see the LP become “Socialist Party C.”

    One individual, who seems to be spelling impaired, is an example of a member (if he is a member) who stands woefully lacking in libertarian acumen. Some serious remedial reading seems to be in order. Begin with Miss Manners.

  • Devious David

    I spent the entire day with a prominent (in his district, but probably not as prominent as say, Erica Dondero-Rittberg, the original hyphen-lady) Republican. I got a lot of insight into the Republican mind and reflecting upon it corroborated a lot of ideas that I already had. I could write a lot about. Nice guy, we had a blast and he’s really hoping Libertarians have good results. I might write a little bit about it with some of the ideas/suggestions I’ve been working on.

  • kcjerith

    I had no idea people have been trying to remove the pledge! who thinks that is a good idea, if it becomes ok to initate the use of force we might as well become repubilcrats, or worse, a “moderate libertairan” party. When ever someone makes that suggestion it should be overwhelmingly opposed, and in a vocal manner. It should be noted, that while I oppose any attempt to remove the pledge, My spelling sucks :)

  • disinter

    kcjerith – that would be the Libertarian Retard Circus (aka Libertarian Reform Caucus).

  • Devious David

    I’m not sure if LRC is doing it to be mean, or because they are so stupid and myopic that they are ignorant of the danger of doing that. Their dishonesty should alert even the people who lean in their direction on the issues that they are unworthy of consideration. LRCers are people who are unwilling to become better people to spread the message. Instead they opt to lessen the message; lower it to their level rather than rise to the level of knowledge and integrity necessary to promote liberty in any environment. In short they aren’t made of the stuff that the rest of us are made of. Why yield to the petty?

  • Tom Bryant

    Of course, the very act of running for office is a violation of the pledge. Participating in an election contributes to the use of forced representation. The Republicans and Democrats who lose to a Libertarian are forced, against their will, to be represented by a Libertarian. I don’t see how any true libertarian could ever violate our principles in such a terrible manner.

    The folks who want to get rid of the pledge probably want to run for office and win. As Col. Hogan said, we need to kick them out of the party.

    Dagnammit.

  • http://www.ncc-1776.org Balph Eubank

    Libertarians need the Pledge so that they can feel guilty every time they commit an act of political realism. Without sufficient angst we are not fully human. It is an imposed act of contrition to stave off meaninglessness! An antidote to capitalism!

    For other libertarians, the Oath is a true goal. We want to have an underfunded military so we can experience the intensity of existence that comes with being invaded by a barbarous hoard. We want to choose between bands of warlords instead of that decadent practice called voting. We want to fully engage the more primitive parts of mind to stave off the ennui of modernity. It is only with a mighty struggle for existence that we can be truly happy.

  • paulie

    Tom Bryant:

    Of course, the very act of running for office is a violation of the pledge. Participating in an election contributes to the use of forced representation. The Republicans and Democrats who lose to a Libertarian are forced, against their will, to be represented by a Libertarian. I don’t see how any true libertarian could ever violate our principles in such a terrible manner.

    You’re probably aware that “forcing them to be free” is a red herring. If they wish to live in an authoritarian commune, they should be perfectly free to do so, but not to force the rest of us to live there too. As for the first part of what you said, there are grounds to argue that (whether you know it or not) but also good counterarguments. See

    http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/06/in-defense-of-voting-sort-of/

    And links therein.

    Balph,

    Yeah you’re right…..we should be governed by well-funded warlords, and choose among who leads them through elections. That’s what you said?

  • kcjerith

    Balph, wow you second paragraph is pretty devoid on any intelligent aruguments. I am trying to decide which logically fallacy you commited (in this case so many to choose from) The false choice fallacy. either we accpet the use of force as part of the LP platform/political beliefs, or we will be invaded. No, that is alse choice, we can support a military through the voultnary collection of taxation ( i know the anarchist leaning memebers would say have private compaines do it)

    To be honest Balph, you arugment is so devoid of any intelligential merit it is hard to tell if that was really your argument.

    As to your first paragraph, if by “politcal realism” you mean giving into the use of force, then you should no longer call yourself a libertarain. I know we argue about a “real” liberatarian is, but to me, as a starting point is that pledge. If a member isn’t willing to do thier best to commit to the nonintiation of force, then they can go join the repubcrats, or moderate libertairans.

  • paulie

    The false choice fallacy. either we accpet the use of force as part of the LP platform/political beliefs, or we will be invaded.

    Talk about a false choice – if we accept that, we don’t have to be invaded, we’ve already given up.

    The argument may be satiric, though – Balph Eubank is an Ayn Rand anti-hero character.