Teacher Suspended for Insulting Hitler

I love the graphic!

Something to encourage the weary; the original article you linked to in this has a poll connected to it. Here’s the current standings:

Should this teacher be fire?
Yes: 29%.
No: 55%
Suspended: 14 %
Not Sure: 2 %

Adding the suspension & fire people together, it seems public support thinks by a fairly wide margin (12%, with a majority) that he should be left to teach.

Hoo-Rah 1st Amendment Rights!

Give Bush time, Kevin Willis. Give him time. He will burn all of our houses down.

Not a nitpick, just FYI. I always thought Hitler was democratically elected, too. But the other day someone pointed out that it’s not true: he lost the election, but was subsequently appointed Chancellor of Germany.

Our President Bush is a American Dictaor like Germany we are oppressed by war and are hated by all countries of the world. Our so called ‘American Democrocy’ is a lie and our Senateall they do all day is sit on their butts and talk about how good of people we are and how were loved by other countries well all thats a lie to our poeple of our great country.

So I say Power to our people and down with our Democrocy!!

Also note: the teacher’s rant was pro-communist. In a 20 minute rant, he told students that tobacco farms should be poisned and the capitalist system should be overthrown. If anyone comes close to hitlers idealogy (which they dont), it is this teacher, who took advantage of the fact that he had 25 impressionable students that were forced to listen to his bullshit.

I heard this tape on Sean Hannity’s 3-Hours-of-Propaganda and NOTHING that teacher said is false. He was trying to demonstrate the thinking of people in other countries. Stuff like “Who has the largest arsenal of WMD?…USA” “What is the most violent country in the world…USA” (maybe based on total gun deaths?), etc, etc.

Listen to the tape before y’all give those knee-jerk reactions. The teacher was speaking truth!

[blockquote]Even if somehow you believe what he said is the truth, he is giving a political speech funded by taxpayers to an audience who is required by law to listen. PLEASE tell me you do not think this is acceptable. [/blockquote]

It’s definately not.

oops. I mixed HTML format with BBCODE! I was quoting a post by “Dennis Anthony Porto”.

putrimalu- hitler killed six million jews

I know, that’s why I said there was no comparison between the two of them. Bush has only killed about 100,000 Arabs, and 2300 Americans. They’re not even in the same league!

Pretty good work on this post, btw, Mr. Mike Nelson! You got talent!

But he speaks a lot sense. It sounds like a much more interesting class than most history classes. It sounds like the kids are actually paying attention. That’s better than most classes. I’d rather pay for this guy to teach than to someone who no one pays attention to.

it’s all about “black history”, Histories that was hidden under the shining light of ‘Democracy’ and Propoganda. Most of the reasonable people understand that what’s really wrong is not how he compared Bush to Hitler*,it’s the shameful sinful painful black histories that he bought up makes American lose their ‘innocence’ created by government propoganda.
well, High school students is prob too young to hear these ‘black history’, but I do support colleges to open ‘black history’ class to discuss the crimes we commitmented during our glorious justiful history. Andrew Jackson to indians isn’t the first, Bush to the mideast won’t be last…
*(they are all human beings, similar in genes.. if u think they’re different, u just support Nazi’s theroy, they are different from other human being)

“Ever heard of home schooling?”

This obviously isnt available to everyone.

“Very well then. So if it was a history or political science class it would be okay then?”

If opposing views were allowed, sure. In a class where twenty minutes is spent by the teacher ranting one point of view, I would doubt that opposing views were given then same amount of time for a rebutal.

“I’d rather pay for this guy to teach than to someone who no one pays attention to.”

However, a lot of people dont want their money going to this man. what about them?

putrimalu- hitler killed six million jews

The number is hard to prove. My great-grandparents and extended family were killed, some by Hitler and some by Stalin. Eastern Europe in the 1930s and 40s was a deadly place, especially for Jews. Of the 6 million most were killed in Eastern Europe, as were 7 million or so non-jews; an unknown number, possibly also in the tens of millions, were killed by Stalin. Many of these were Jews too, many weren’t. Same goes for the commissars in charge of the Killing.

Millions more died in the war between Hitler and Stalin after they broke their pact.

Prior to Hitler and Stalin, Jews were only Jews until they embraced Christianity. It was convert or die (or, sometimes, be exiled). H & S both decided that a once a Jew, or 1/16 Jew, always a Jew, and the only choice was die; conversion did not count. Hitler and Stalin may themselves have been self-hating Jews or part-Jews.

Even if somehow you believe what he said is the truth, he is giving a political speech funded by taxpayers to an audience who is required by law to listen. PLEASE tell me you do not think this is acceptable.

Teachers do this all the time. It’s just that it’s regimist politics which are typically presented. The official propaganda blather of Ds and Rs, CNN and Fox, etc.

One thing for Soviet Russia, even us little kids (and certainly adults) knew that official pronouncements of The Party and State-owned Media were lies. Americans are generally far too gullible in this regard.

9/11 was an inside job…

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/911_redux.html

Paulie, dont forget to add in all the people bush killed by causing Katrina (sarcasm)

[quote]High school students is prob too young to hear these ‘black history’

Not all the case, except for what’s been done to dumb down teenagers over the last several generations.

http://infowars.com/articles/us/first_amendment_americans_know_more_about_simpsons.htm

Teens are ADULTS. Turning them into children has been deliberate social engineering to destroy society. [/quote]just to be a little realistic, let’s start these “black history” in the college so we can have a better support for HS student, afterall, it’s still a concept yet to be theorized, don’t rush on the process, most of the “black history” was created by rushing too, rushing to expand the land, rushing to expand ‘Democracy’, and so on.. we should learn from the mistakes while we are discussing it

just to be a little realistic, let’s start these “black history” in the college so we can have a better support for HS student, afterall, it’s still a concept yet to be theorized, don’t rush on the process,

So start by teaching the disinfo as truth, and then reveal it to be false after age 18? (average)

I didn’t have too much problem with it when I was a teen, or many (most?) teens I knew. Although many were either too stoned, too ambitious, or both, to care.

Actually I started getting into it about age eight.

But even before that, I had no problem conceptualizing that Soviet propaganda was BS. We left when I was seven. Unlike other kids, at that age I had no problem letting everyone – kids and adults – know I thought Soviet Lies were BS. Luckily for me, and them, my parents were unbeknownst to me at that time already planning to leave, and the party bureaucrats in Siberia were hearing about me from several levels up. So they were eager to get rid of us…

to paulie cannoli:
many things we learned from HS need to be re-stated in the college, from HS we might know that atoms were made up by P N E, but later on we will be taught about wave property of particles, the E cloud, the quarks with a fraction of charge and so on.. similar process is quite common, ’cause certain concept is complicated need more time for discussion.
the experience u had in former USSR surely help u think more about the news. but I believe we just had a misunderstanding, I don’t mind have these kind of discussion in HS, but I prefer to have it in college first, by teaching in the HS alone won’t help too much, both college and HS together will be great. and for the first step, I prefer to college to HS.

mingo

Hmmm, well it all depends on what level the kids are coming along. Most good homeschooled kids can learn college-level material (currently) well before high school age. Most well before puberty. But it depends on the parents as well as the kids. It’s hard to teach what you don’t know, although sometimes it’s possible to do both at the same time. How many parents were themselves homeschooled? What about their parents? Etc.

Even when it comes to government schools, it’s helpful to comparatively examine curricula from past decades, other countries, etc. Current American norms are clearly sub-standard in terms of potential development.

300,000 copies of Common Sense were circulated, and presumably read, in the late 1700s; about 10% of the 13 colonies’ population at the time. Would 10% of Americans be able to read and understand it today? If not, why not?

Well said Brain. People on this form tend to be too quick to agree with anything that may make Bush look bad. This is instead a simple demonstration of why public schools are bad.

Dennis Anthony Porto,

Next you’ll be telling us how Hitler was a socialist because he said so.

Get educated moron. While I don’t consider Bush, Hitler; you cannot (honestly at least) deny that the Neo-Conservative ideology is close to and certainly resembles the ideology of fascism.

It can easily be argued that Bush’s polices resemble neo-fascism.

With that said, if the teacher was just ranting then his comments were out of line. However, if he was trying to rile up a debate then more power to him.

Holy cannoli says: “Stealing two elections (2000, 2004) and invading Afghanistan and Iraq are just a bare beginning. So was letting New Orleans sink so Halliburton can “rebuild”;”

It’s really too bad President Bush can’t be KING. That evil, yet brilliant Carl Rove should decee Bush King-of-the-World in October 2008. No need to bother with an election. Perhaps you need to increase the dosage of your meds to get your severe BDS in check. Watching the Dems hysteria over the last two elections is quite entertaining! Get used to it! It’s over baby….YOUR SIDE LOST and ain’t gonna be coming back any time soon! You’ve been marginalized. Get it?

This reminds me of the time the secretary of Education called the NEA (Teachers Union)a terrorist organization.

An apology was quickly made to Hamas and Hezbollah for the comparison.

How dare they use their freedom of speech to encroach on our freedoms!

“How dare they use their freedom of speech to encroach on our freedoms!”

The teacher does not have freedom of speech in his classroom, he is under contract by the school.

“Get educated moron. While I don’t consider Bush, Hitler; you cannot (honestly at least) deny that the Neo-Conservative ideology is close to and certainly resembles the ideology of fascism.”

Ok. Do you not remember last time we argued about this (I believe you called me a ‘moron’ then also)? I agree with this statement.

“With that said, if the teacher was just ranting then his comments were out of line. However, if he was trying to rile up a debate then more power to him.”

He was just ranting, and even if he was trying to spark up a debate by grandstanding for twenty minutes, that is not the role of a geography teacher.

I live in Denver and it was said on the news last night that the class is actually Politics and Geography, not just Geography. The second think I’d like to point out is that if it weren’t for democrats/liberals there’s no telling what kind of brain washing/homogeneous climate meltdown would go on here. As always, checks and balances are in effect. Thirdly, my mother in law grew up in Germany and had family members in the Nazi party. She often talks of how the Hitler climate took over and it’s honestly not that different than the republican/christian/war thing going on in America. People, we invaded a county under false pretense and before you say it, no, thay did not knock down our buildings… So, loose the bravado and think critically about things, that’s what liberals do. Just follow the money, that’s all you have to do to figure things out. Truth is permanent.

Sweetcheeks says: Repubs are HAPPIER people … Well, it is said that not all Republicans are stupid people, but all stupid people are Republicans.

And if ignorance is bliss, y’all are probably pretty happy.

The fact is, Republicans are viewed as leaders by their party members because they do not hesitate to make a decision – right or wrong.They get a gut reaction to a problem (or are guided by Devine Intervention in the case of GWB), declare it to be a “plan” and plow forward – damn the torpedoes. The stupid follow, confusing the cock-sure attitude with leadership.

Democrats on the other hand, stop and think, weigh the options and come to a thought-out conclusion and plot a path forward. A kind of intelligent approach to problem solving. As this takes time & public dialogue, it is interpreted (by the stupid) as being indecisive and flip-flopping (which it was in the case of JK).

It’s so pathetic that this teacher is being persecuted for having the audacity to engage the students with thought-provoking ideas that are unpopular. Whoever says that “both sides” are not presented, where do you think we live? Every day, we’re spoon fed patriotism by the ‘bush’elfull. The common mantra is ‘support our troops’ and if you’re not for us, you’re against us. We *live* in a society that has this mindset and *that’s* where the other side is presented. He tells his students that they don’t have to believe what he says, only that he wants them to *think*. That is where the right is so abysmally lacking. They don’t think. They support a bumbling moron as president, not being able to think past their own selfish interests. This is classic case of people getting riled up because he asked these students to think about the way things *are*, not necessarily how we want them to be. Not necessarily how things *should* be. All of you witchhunters have nothing better to do.

“This teacher is a nut.”

Typical mudslinging.

“If he’s teaching geography, then that’s what he should be teaching.”

This was a geopolitical class for advanced students. I feel sorry for your kid if exposure to new ideas, popular or unpopular, evokes the knee-jerk reaction of removing him from school. What this teacher said is apparently enough to make you hide in your little hole, which would be comical if it weren’t such an indictment of the ignorance of the general populace. Maybe the government should just issue press releases for students to study so we can be sure that they’re not exposed to anything “bad”.

What’s also pathetic is that you people hide behind the falsity that this is about teaching both sides, when in fact it’s about revealing a side that you don’t like, or don’t agree with. At least be honest and own up to your right, conservative roots. It’s not that you’re upset that both opinions weren’t debated, it’s that you think yours is gospel.

I listened to the audio and thought the guy sounded more like a cable news pundit than a social studies teacher, which is pretty alarming. I think he may be in the wrong profession, and that’s what everyone is fretting about.

Teachers should not *be* the discussion in a class, they should be guiding and moderating it. Clearly that’s not what this man was doing.

We are living during a pregnant time in which our country is so divided that dialogue is almost impossible. Remember the good old days when William F. Buckley debated with other guests on “Firing Line?” Oxford defines debate as “a formal discussion on a particular topic …, in which opposing arguments are put forward.” Today the talking heads just sling opinions at one another.

Too often these days, we fall into line as a conservative or a liberal and start bashing the other guy across the aisle. We live in a democracy, which is a participatory system. We have a responsibility to one another, and ourselves, and the world, to have open minds, to explore issues in-depth from a variety of perspectives, and to think.

One of the most important skills that we can learn is critical thinking. I would like to issue a challenge for us to dialogue about the issues Mr. Bennish raised. And I suggest that we found our opinions upon evidence from credible sources readily available to everyone.

@Steve Magruder – if you listen to his 20 minute lecture, which I have, that’s exactly what he was talking about. He touches on how we, to Native Americans, were terrorists. He talks about how we pre-emptively went to war in Iraq, about the dark side of capitalism, etc. You say you agree that he should be suspended, yet you want all this stuff that got him suspended taught in our schools. Which way do you want it? It seems that there is no possible way this guy can win.

@Charlotta – well said and very true. It seems that people get polarized more and more to one side or the other. I think that compromise has become viewed as a sign of weakness, or giving in.

It’s also a great example of why educational vouchers should be given a chance.

Not. Back door to making private schools into de facto regime miseducation camps.

Next you’ll be telling us how Hitler was a socialist because he said so.

Socialist-fascist. It’s not necessarily always a contradiction. Stalin was one too.

Now to your point about my being un-American for the Bush should be King remark….who started this whole conspiracy theory to begin with, huh???

Bush, Ashcroft, et al. They don’t really bother to hide it anymore….all publically available documents and statements.

I’m not sure if this is the right style and content for a geography lesson, but pretty much everything Mr. Bennish says is correct and reflects what probobly most people on this planet think.

Please visit and sign the petition to congress:

http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/

Christine,

Visited your link….whew! Is that an aluminum foil hat your wearing?

just like i thaught, Limbaugh was right after all about you maggot-infested FM type idiots.

You “thaught”? You’ve been listening to too much AM. Might wanna try XM or Sirius.

And if you’re quoting Drugs Limbaugh, the Oxycontin King, well, why should we take anything you have to say seriously?

dipshit

Harry,

No hat. Eyes and mind are open. Ignore the articles and look at the peer reviewed papers. I’m going with the physics rather than the lies.

You Americans are trying to push responsibility away. Bush not elected?? You fucers embrace this domshit for the second time remember. So suffer. hahaha

The Netherlands

Calling your leader a twat doesnt mean you should get upset this bad, really…

Tell your mudpecker friend that strongleadership doesnt mean killing everybody or taking someones rights, alright?

Thanks a lot. Though your a yank, we can still be friends!

Well what I do understand is that your glorious leader dragged us dutch into this stupid war using lies about weapons of massdestuction. They only reason there might be peace in Iraq is that they will be all killed by each other or by american forces. If junior did not snort that much he could see that being powerfull is not the same thing as having the truth on your side. This president is making Americans hated all around the world for a barrel of oil.. This teacher deserves a medaille, its a great idea to start learning Americans to think for them selves.

moshe/flusher….

RUSH: I don’t remember him saying any of that, listening to this tape. He’s out there saying that the US is guilty; other countries have a right to attack us, destroy our crops like we’re destroying their crops. Okay, anyway, it’s image making time for Jay Bennish. He’s out there now. And, of course, he has every right to do it. But I’m learning more and more about this human geography, and I’m wondering why wasn’t this taught when I was in school? I might have liked school if we had something like human geography. Mental mapping? Cultural — what is the word, cultural what? Cultural landscapes. Ha-ha-ha. What a bunch of absolute hogwash.

paul: Well, if Flush’s school didn’t teach human geography, that may have been part of his problem. Too bad, he may have turned out to have been less of a moron had he liked school better. Perhaps they did teach it, but he was asleep, or daydreaming. Lack of intellectual curiosity may have been Flush’s downfall.

You Americans are trying to push responsibility away. Bush not elected?? You fucers embrace this domshit for the second time remember. So suffer. hahaha

paul) Actually no. Bush managed to get away with stealing two elections in a row; most Americans either can’t vote, choose not to for a variety of reasons (some legitimate, some not), and even had he in fact been elected legitimately by most Americans (this would take approx. 150 million votes, about 1.5 times the Bush + Kerry total), how would this make those who did not vote for Bush responsible?

Are all Europeans responsible for EU regime actions, or those of Hitler?

Canolli,

Alright, so you are not responsible. Her in Europe nobody knows about Bush stealing the elections for two times in a row. Well, i mean I only am aware about the florida-scam

Are all Europeans responsible for EU regime actions, or those of Hitler?

Man, the place where I live in was bombed flat to take over power there were never any proper elections. Also Hitler is death for 60 years. Most young people on earth think he is a suckerplayer or something.

If I did not vote for him, what makes him my leader?

Thats the democracy-cross you have to carry, hehe

Well, you Europeans have not invaded America to depose him, so why don’t you accept responsibility now that he is glorious leader not just of the US but the whole world. Now you can suffer too. Hahhahaha!

That hurts.. but fortuned I dont pay the tax to keep him in this position.

There are lots of Americans who do noble deeds. But the violent ones have killed more people than rest of the world put together so that does make America the single most violent nation on earth. The evil ones who carelessly shoot their guns during hunting and do not get charged with involuntary manslaughter.

So he talks about burning down tobacco farms my father got heart disease at 40 years of age mostly tobacco use. A lot of people under 18 are using tobacco so it is hurting a lot of people really bad. Tobacco has to go since it is the silent killer.

Wow.

I’m still amazed at the dangerous ignorance and arrogance of you people. To compare Bush to Hitler is as innacurate as it is offensive.

Immigration:
Trying to stem the tide of ILLEGAL immigrants is necessary and overdue. To equate it with the nazi round-up of certain ethnic groups is ignorant. This country was built by immigrants. They work hard and play by the same rules as the rest of us and find success and opportunity. I wonder what they think of all the spoiled american kids who don’t even know the difference but won’t let that get in the way of their projected self-hatred.

WMD/War with Iraq:
Why must everyone pretend that Saddam didn’t snub the UN and it’s inspectors for twelve years!?! Regime change in Iraq was US policy for most of Clinton’s administration, he just never acted on it. If Bush lied, so did the everyone you trust.

Fred, the only person with a dangerous amount of ignorance is you and people like you. As someone said earlier it’s not only ignorance, but willful ignorance. In a way it’s incredible people can be so polarly divided with absolute conviction that they are in the right. My personal view is that the people on “your side” are not good long-term thinkers. You follow blindly and promote policies that are contrary to the best interest of the American people. And the sad, sad thing is that you don’t even realize that you’re doing it. This country is in such worse shape after Bush took over that it’s not even funny. Yet people continue to vote for short-sighted policies and a promote a Republican agenda that greatly favors the wealthy and absolves them from contributing, in the way of taxes, to the greater needs of society. But, go ahead and blindly keep your money so that the next generation can pick up the slack and deal with all the crap we’re leaving them.

FG,

Why must everyone pretend that Saddam didn’t snub the UN and it’s inspectors for twelve years!?!

Why must anyone pretend to care for UN inspectors (would you allow them in YOUR country?) And where are the weapons? The inspectors quit when the USSA regime would not accept they did not find any, and smeared them. Yet the USSA regime has not found them in 3 years with 150,000+ centurions, either.
They were a delibererate lie, a fact which has now been acknowledged. The USSA regime tried, but failed, to produce fake WMD evidence.

! Regime change in Iraq was US policy for most of Clinton’s administration, he just never acted on it.

But he did manage to kill about a million Iraqis, mostly children. His Reichsminister Albright said it was “worth it” and the Bush Crime Family has killed just as many, but at a much greater cost in American lives and stolen tax money. Both the Bush and Clinton War Crime Families sit on one mafia commission, the USSA gangster regime.

Again If Bennish talks about burning tobacco farms, that is a very patriotic thing to say. Do you know how much loss this country incurs because of health problems due to tobacco use. I think companies should be allowed to not hire smokers. How are 15 and 16 year old kids able to smoke. By the time these kids are 35, that is after about 20 years of smoking, they could have heart disease. Lets just hope that they have better treatments to treat heart disease then.