Sekula-Gibbs Continues Fraudulent Polling Tactics

Providing insight into her behaviour if she were elected, the Republican write-in candidate for Texas Congressional Distrct 22 continues to deceive the public with the use of misleading polling tactics. Obviously threatened by Bob Smither, who is actually on the ballot, hyphen lady is conducting a push poll which exludes Smither’s name as an option. The transcript they are using goes something like this:

GIBBS POLLSTER: Yes, this is [name] calling from Southern Research to ask you one question about the November election for U.S. Congress. If the election were held tomorrow would you vote for
- Shelley Sekula-Gibbs, the Republican, or
- Nick Lampson, the Democrat.

brazosriver.com obtained an audio recording of one of the calls where the voter exposed the poll for the fraud that it is:

Listen to the audio here.

It appears hyphen lady is seeking to maintain the Republican Party’s status as the most corrupt in congress.

Full transcript of the call after the break.

VOTER: Hi.

GIBBS POLLSTER: Hello.

VOTER: Hello.

GIBBS POLLSTER: Yes, this is [name] calling from Southern Research
to ask you one question about the November election for U.S. Congress. If the election were held tomorrow would you vote for
- Shelley Sekula-Gibbs, the Republican, or
- Nick Lampson, the Democrat.
-
VOTER: Um, whose calling and who are you sponsored by?

GIBBS POLLSTER: This is [name] and I’m calling from Southern Research.

VOTER: And who is paying the bills for this advertisement, or this poll?

GIBBS POLLSTER: This is Southern Research – I’m calling on behalf of Southern Research.

VOTER: What about the other candidates in the race? My understanding is that Bob Smither is on the ballot also, and that Shelley Sekula-Gibbs is a write-in. And that there are two other write-ins. Is that correct?

GIBBS POLLSTER: I know Shelley Sekula-Gibbs is a write-in.

VOTER: Okay, so. So I’m curious as to who is funding this research because it seems the question you are asking is biased.

GIBBS POLLSTER: Well, I only have two additional candidates here, which are Nick Lampson and Shelley Sekula-Gibbs.

VOTER: Well, and what I’m trying to indicate is, uh, it sounds like your poll is biased. So I’m curious as to who is the, uhm, who is driving this poll.

GIBBS POLLSTER: (Pause) Uhhhm. One moment and let me get that information for you, okay?

VOTER: Super.

GIBBS POLLSTER: Just one moment. (Pause)

GIBBS POLLSTER: Sir. Hello?

VOTER: Yes.

GIBBS POLLSTER: Okay, it’s being funded through Sekula-Gibbs.

VOTER: Ah, it’s being funded by Shelley Sekula-Gibbs. Okay that’s, that’s interesting, and what’s most interesting to me is, you know, how its worded.
Because the way it’s worded is not a scientifically valid poll. So, did, what was the name of your organization again?

GIBBS POLLSTER: Southern Research

VOTER: Southern Research. So does your, uhm, are you a partisan political organization?

GIBBS POLLSTER: Yes.

VOTER: Okay. So you are not a scientific polling organization?

GIBBS POLLSTER: No.

VOTER: I see. So basically this is a political call and not a research call.

GIBBS POLLSTER: Pretty much, yeah.

VOTER: Okay. Well that uh, that basically does answer my questions.

GIBBS POLLSTER: Okay.

VOTER: Thank you for your time.

GIBBS POLLSTER: You’re welcome.

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  • http://www.mainstreamlibertarian.com Eric Dondero

    The Republican Party the “most corrupt in Congress”? Really. And just who is it that stashed $90,000 of bribe money in his freezer? Oh, that’s right William Jefferson, a Democrat. And Bob Menendez of New Jersey, King of the Kick-backs. Yup, you guessed it. A Democrat. And let’s not forget Harry Reid, the old land swindler. Just create a Vegas corporation and funnel money through it to line your own pockets.

    You don’t hear about Democrat corruption, cause the liberal media prefers to bash Republicans 24/7, 365 days a year.

  • http://UnCivilDefence.blogspot.com MRJarrell

    Yeah, Dunderoo. HoT is just another aspect of the MSM/Liberal elite. Puhleeeeze. Why don’t you take your Republicrat drumming elsewhere? While there’s plenty of corruption to go around your oh-so upright Republicans are stewed in their hypocrisy. Only the truly ignorant or those who hate America and liberty would waste a vote on these people. Which are you?

  • IanC

    1) Corruption takes the form of more than merely kick-backs and bribery. This is an example; “[...] Sekula-Gibbs,*THE* Republican [...]”

    2) Abramoff. Strangely, he really didn’t deal with *any* Democrats that I am aware of. Not only that, but one of the most famous cases was the Speaker of the House, the so-called “Hammer of ****MORALITY****”

    The Republican Party today is the party of absolute fascism. The Democrat Party today is the party of absolute socialism.

    Dondero, sir, you live in a fantasy-land of the past.

    Certainly we must continue the *INFILTRATION* of the enemy; the Republicans. But we must *ALSO* truly begin in earnest the infiltration of the enemy; the Democrats.

    ‘Nough said. Let’s hope this Sekula-Gibbs push-poll is revealed for what it is to just about *ENOUGH* people.

  • Brian

    Dondero, the Republicans are the most corrupt because they have power. I know you just want to continue believing that it’s just a liberal media conspiracy against your Republico-fascist buddies. But it’s the truth. Ney, Delay, Foley, and Cunningham are gone. There are lots more in Congress under investigation for Abramoff, MZM (Goode, Harris), and Foleygate scandals. Also, there are various other situations involving Weldon, Allen, Frist, Doolittle, Hastert, etc. There are so many I can’t even keep track of them. Those don’t even include the state level or executive branch scandals. You live in a fantasy land. It will be nice to see all the Republicans go down in all the investigations they’ve been holding back, once the Democrats get a majority.

  • http://www.myspace.com/10forliberty Mitchell Port

    Wow, I hope some local radio or news stations pick up on this.

  • http://www.lpgeorgia.com Trevor Southerland

    Democrats… Republicans…

    It doesn’t matter, they’re both the same.

    They favor the status quo… keeping one of their two parties in power mean they each can do whatever the heck they want and trade off the blame.

  • Bill

    Cool, Dondilldo’s back! Hey tough guy, why aren’t you in Iraq fighting the “terrorists”? You know, the war you and Uncle Joe constantly are pimping? Take Joe Lieberman’s cock out of your mouth and get your fat ass over to Iraq.

  • Gary

    Someone should get this into the local media, stat.

  • Bill

    Sekula-Gibbs? Well what do you expect out of a candidate named after a dung beetle?

  • Michael in California

    I’ve submitted this article to RealClearPolitics. Fell free to vote for it if you’re so inclined.

    Anyone there in TX-22 have contacts in radio or TV newsrooms?

  • Phil

    TV Newsroom Contacts for CD 22:

    KTRK ABC – 713-669-1313

    KPRC NBC – 713-222-6397

    KHOU CBS – 713-521-4398

  • Phil

    Other CD 22 media contacts:

    KTRH News Radio – 713-212-8740

    KSEV Talk Radio – 281-558-5738 (show call-in line – begins 6AM central)

    KPRC Talk Radio – 713-212-5772 (show call-in line – begins 6AM central)

  • http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/ Mike Linksvayer

    Polls should not be trusted by default due to things like this.

    Prediction markets are more accurate and manipulation is counter productive.

    Hey, there’s a market for this race! :)

    http://www.tradesports.com/pda/contracts.jsp?eventID=48397&groupID=4494&className=Politics

  • Adamson

    Back when the DeLay thing was still playing out and it first looked like there would be no Republican on the ballot, I was the first one to say here that the R’s would rather resort to a write-in campaign then endorse a Libertarian. The Smithereens here said “oh no, they wouldn’t do that because we have a credible candidate and they’d rather see a Libertarian in the seat then a Democrat!” Ha.

    It’s hell being right.

  • Stephen VanDyke

    Shelley doesn’t have a snowball’s chance of pulling it off, so we should ignore her the same way the two parties ignore us.

  • Donny Ferguson

    Not entirely sure how being left out of a Republican campaign’s push poll is a bad thing.

    A push poll simply identifies who supports your candidate and who is against. If they are for your candidate, you make sure they get out to vote. If they are against, you feed them negative information structured to look like a legit poll from a survey group (like “Would you still vote for Nick Lampson if you knew his home health care businesses were caught defrauding Medicare?.)

    These aren’t the same as the media polls, and it’s not news. Frankly, it’s a good thing. They tend to backfire and turn people off to both candidates.

  • Phil

    #14 – I don’t recall anyone saying that here or anywhere else, leading me to conclude that it exhibits strawman characteristics.

    Early on there was a credible movement among some Republicans including Texas Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson to get the GOP behind Smither. It would’ve been nice. But nobody was particularly surprised when GOP chairwoman Tina Benkiser lived up to her reputation of stupidity and threw her weight behind the write-ins. It doesn’t make the writein any more credible though – Gibbs will be lucky to break double digits.

    Bottom line is this though: due to the GOP’s missteps, DeLay’s mishaps, and a couple of court rulings, Bob Smither is the best chance the Libertarian Party has ever had at even coming close to a seat in Congress, and probably the best shot it’ll have for a while. Any sensible Libertarian should recognize that opportunity and do whatever they can to make a good showing on election day.

  • Phil

    #16 – The point here is not the push poll’s lack of reliability. The point is that Shelley got caught doing one. 99% of the time these things slip under the radar completely. Even the ones that catch somebody’s attention seldom get captured on tape.

    Gibbs slipped up and got trapped by her and her polling firm’s own stupidity. Pointing that out only shows how inept and untrustworthy Gibbs is, which means more Republican fence sitters go over to Smither.

  • Devious David

    #17, Phil you must not have read any of my posts then. I made it abundantly clear that they would rather have a liberal Democrat in office and win “nothing” rather than have Bob Smither in there and win a “lot”. Quotations because they don’t really stand for their professed beliefs.

    This election will show, indisputable how ethically and morally bankrupt and truly irrational and idiotic the average Republican voter is or isn’t. I already know the result, but sincerely hope that I am wrong.

    And the Republican opponent shall henceforth be known as “hyphen-lady”, if she is to even be mentioned at all thank you very much.

  • tech

    The Democratic Party is NOT the “party of absolute socialism”.

    They’re not the party of absolute anything. They’re a mainstream party that actually occasionally wins elections.

    They mean well. They have the same basic goals as we here do. If they would just smarten up in certain areas, I think they would be a great party and a great influence on America, in the face of these horrid, backwards-thinking neocons.

  • Devious David

    The Democratic Party doesn’t mean well. Unless meaning well is feathering your own nest and staying out of the way of the powers that be. That’s the point of “both” parties. They are one and the same. Owned by the same folks. When/if they win, nothing of any substance will change at all. Oh, they will talk like there is and will be, but there won’t. Nothing is going to happen in any case – it’s an illusion, a charade; and a poor one at that.

  • http://www.DownsizeDC.org/ Alex Peak

    Mr. VanDyke is correct that she doesn’t have a chance of winning, but if she keeps this fraudulent rolling going, she might steal just enough votes from the Libertarian candidate, Bob Smither, to throw the election to his tax-and-spend opponent. There is no harm in pointing out the push-polling tactic of this write-in lady.

    Yours,
    Alex Peak

    P.S. Let’s remember, in this race, there are only two main parties: Libertarian and Democratic. In this race, hyphen-lady is the third-party candidate. Not even that, she’s a write-in candidate.

  • http://www.mainstreamlibertarian.com Eric Dondero

    Please note, that a great many Republicans ARE supporting Bob Smither for Congress. Most prominently Jerry Patterson, Texas Land Commissioner. Now to non-Texas “Land Commissioner” must sound a bit like a low level office. It is not. It is regarded as the 3rd most powerful position in the State. It is highly coveted. Jerry is also Chairman of the Texas Republican Liberty Caucus.

    In addition, Smither has the support of a great many Young Republicans in Houston.

    Question? Do any of y’all see any Democrats stepping forward to back Smither?

    ‘Nother question? Do any of y’all see any Democrats stepping forward anywheres in the United States in any race at all stepping forward to back any Libertarian Party candidates?

    Y’all bash Republicas. Yet it’s the Republicans who have allowed 5 Libertarian Party candidates on their ballot line in Vermont, and another 20 or so on their line in New Hampshire.

    Great attitude; Bash your friends.

  • http://www.mainstreamlibertarian.com Eric Dondero

    I’ll be going out later this afternoon to walk precincts for Bob Smither. Plan on doing this all week.

    Anyone here care to join me? And don’t use the excuse that “I don’t live in the State.” I’ve traveled 5 states over to walk precincts volunteer for libertarian candidates.

    If you do come, you are welcome to stay in my guest room at my lovely big (tropical landscaped) home in Angleton, 30 miles south of Houston, near Surfside Beach.

  • http://www.mainstreamlibertarian.com Eric Dondero

    Since I will be walking precincts for Bob today, I just wanted to take a moment to remind all of you, what my Party affiliation is:

    Republican.

    That’s spelled R-E-P-U-B-L-I-C-A-N.

    Just wondering, ya guys think that maybe they’ll be some local Democrats joining in for the precinct walks for Bob Smither, Libertarian for Congress?

    I mean, after all, according to some partisan Libertarian Party members, “Republicans and Democrats are equally bad.”

    I’ll be sure to report back to y’all to tell you how many Democrats joined us in the Smither precinct walks.

    Oh, and my friend from Arkasas will be joining us later this week. And even though he’s a self-described “Anarcho-Capitalist (AC/DC – Metalica fanatic), his proud Party affiliation is Republican too. Imagine that?

  • http://www.mainstreamlibertarian.com Eric Dondero

    The Democrat Party is the Party of Fascism.

    It is the Democrats who want to force me to wear a seat belt in my car or face a $500 fine.

    It is the Democrats who want to outlaw smoking in major cities in the US.

    It is the Democrats like Biden, Rangel, Jesse Jackson and Louis Farahkan who are the loudest and most vociferous Drug Warriors.

    It is the Democrats who want to stop me from using non-Policially Correct speech on college campuses and other areas, outlawing terms like “Muhammed” without the “Prophet” added to it, or “mankind.”

    It is the Democrats who wish to take away my gun rights.

    Its the Democrats who want to Draft young people into the Military. Again, Charlie Rangel and Jesse Jackson.

    It is the Democrats who are taking away the rights of off-road vehicle enthusiasts nationwide due to their extremist environmental agenda.

    It is the Democrats, in my city of Houston who are rampaging against legalized Prostitution.

  • Jeffrey Quick

    I’d say there’s a qualitative difference in corruption between the 2 wings of BOYN. Democrat corruption is usually for personal gain: think Jefferson and Jim Traficant. Republicans tend to corrup the political process itself: consider numerous moves by Ken Blackwell of Ohio, Bush and habeas corpus, and this Hyphen-Lady push poll.

    Eric, what the Dems do is EVIL but not corrupt. If the country goes to hell through clean democratic process, whose fault is that?

  • disinter

    Click here for an important message from the Smither campaign:

    http://bobsmither.com/node/85

  • http://www.mainstreamlibertarian.com Eric Dondero

    Oh, you mean like election fraud? Like, um, dunno, the recent incidents in St. Louis where ACORNers paid by the Minimum Wage petition drive were knocking doors for Democrat Clair McCaskill. Then two weeks later, the ACORNers were found to be registering dead people in N. St. Louis.

    And the massive registration drives in southern California by the Democrat Party for illegal alien voters. (I speak fluent Spanish, and witnessed this myself on the border towns of El Cetro, Indio and Calexico.)

    Yup, those Dems, they only commit evil for themselves. Has nothing to do with corrupting the system.

  • http://www.mainstreamlibertarian.com Eric Dondero

    Democrat leader attacks Libertarians in South Carolina paper.

    Bring back balance
    Don Bramblett, Clifton
    Published October 22, 2006

    State newspapers recently told the whole truth: A terribly high number of South Carolinians are facing foreclosure on their homes. A new philosophy making its way through the Republican Party is the Libertarian view that we don’t need government, and we should all just look out for ourselves. This idea is extreme to say the least.

    Republicans have been in control of the executive and legislative branches of South Carolina government for the past four years. The overall number of jobs in South Carolina has declined, and many of those working are underemployed, working for less than they were four years ago.

    Our state government is out of balance politically. Republicans are still in control even if they don’t always get along.

    The Democratic Party this year has some strong candidates for statewide office…

  • http://UnCivilDefence.blogspot.com MRJarrell

    And how much are you being paid to walk the precincts? Here’s another clue. Libertarians are not Republicans. Republicans, like the Democrats are the enemy. That’s E-N-E-M-Y. Ignoring the facts because you’re a member of the Socialist Right does you no good. The Democrats are no better, nor worse than your wing of the Socialist party, Dunderoo. You both suck.

  • Wes P

    My goodness! The pollster actually admitted the truth! Apparently the hyphen lady can’t afford to train them properly.

  • Getreal

    Let’s see, Mr. George W. Dondero. A Democrat hides money in a freezer. The Republians hide people in secret prisons. Hmm. Money in the freezer or people in secret prisons. Tough choice.

    If you really want to campaign for the Republicans put on your jack boots and get out your brown shirt.

  • http://www.mainstreamlibertarian.com Eric Dondero

    I am being paid Zero to walk precincts for Bob Smither. You may verify that with Campaign Manager Kevin Tunstall or LP HQ Consultant and HoT Contributing Editor Stephen Gordon, whom I just got off the phone with, if you like.

    And I assume by your comments above, that you view Ron Paul to be the “enemy” as well?

    Funny, a former Libertarian Party Presidential candidate is viewed as an “enemy of Libertarians” all because he has an ‘R’ by his name.

    Does that extend to Don Gorman, as well? Y’know he’s running as a Republican this time for NH State House.

  • http://www.mainstreamlibertarian.com Eric Dondero

    And just who is it that they are “hiding” at secret prisons.

    Golly gee, might they be Terrorists? Might they be the very same people who assisted in blowing up the Twin Towers in NYC killing 3,000 of your fellow Americans?

    I suppose you would have left Muhammed Attah out of jail with a free card, huh?

  • http://www.mainstreamlibertarian.com Eric Dondero

    Here’s a clue, LIBERTARIANS ARE REPUBLICANS!!!

    Just ask Libertarian Party Founder David Nolan, who was Colorado State Chairman of the Young Republicans when he founded the LP.

    Or, just ask Libertarian Movement Founder Dana Rohrabacher, Head of the Libertarian Caucus in YAF, 1967-69, who is now a REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN FROM CALIFORNIA!!!

    Or just ask any of the Libertarian Party Presidential candidates currently living, ALL OF WHOM ARE NOW OR WERE FORMER REPUBLICANS!!!!!!!

  • http://UnCivilDefence.blogspot.com MRJarrell

    You just keep to your Republicrats good Democrats bad mantra and maybe someday, somewhere over the rainbow someone will believe you. No matter how much hair you pull out or how loud you scream the facts will never change. We, that is Libertarians are NOT Republicans. As for Paul…he’s a panderer to stupid voters who would drop him in a hot minute if he ran as a Libertarian. Is he the enemy? Maybe, his party sure as hell is.

  • http://www.ilovephysics.com Chris Moore

    Eric, please site your source for your assertion that David Bergland and Michael Badnarik were or are Republicans. You keep making this claim, I keep asking you to back it up, and you keep ducking and running.

  • ZanderC

    Is there any word on this push-poll being sent to the media, and are they acting on this information with a story? I read the transcript and listened to the recording and while as a partisan Libertarian, I find it sensational, I tend to doubt that most media outlets would. “Politics as usual”, I presume, would be the prevalent attitude.

    Has there been any thought to the idea that hyphen-lady *is* simply running as a spoiler, and possibly colluding with the Democrat so as to prevent Smither from winning office? For a Libertarian to win in DeLay’s old seat would be a stunning black eye to the Republican party and could represent a tipping point. A loss to the Democrat could be seen as “not unexpected”. $500,000 is a lot of money to spend to lose the race, and I don’t think the Republicans are that stupid or hardheaded.

    Considering the alternative, losing the seat to a Libertarian would really require a more sophisticated explanation by the Republican party to the Body Politic.

  • Wes P

    Lots of people change parties. It wouldn’t be hard to find somebody with any combination of “to” and “from” you specify.

    There’s a wide range of opinion within any party, and often there is significant overlap in views between some members of one party and some members of another.

    None of this proves that any two parties are the same, although from a sufficiently different (or uninformed) third point of view, they might be close enough that their differences don’t matter.

    I suggest that Dondero’s viewpoint is one or both of those.

  • http://www.mainstreamlibertarian.com Eric Dondero

    Let me ask you something. Do you know who Don Gorman is?

    Do you know that Gorman is running as a Republican this year for New Hampshire State House? Do you think Gorman is a “Fascist” cause he’s now runing as a Republican?

    Bergland, Badnarik? Got the Bergland GOP affiliation from a very old issue of LP News in my attic. Badnarik? Came from a bio I saw of him when he was running. I was a little surprised quite frankly. I would have though Badnarik was an Independent.

  • http://www.mainstreamlibertarian.com Eric Dondero

    Jarrell, surprise, surprise!!!

    Ron Paul DOES RUN AS A LIBERTARIAN!!! I live in his District, do you? He is listed on the ballot as a Republican, but is identified as a Libertarian.

    Duh!!

  • http://www.mainstreamlibertarian.com Eric Dondero

    And btw, here’s another thing I’m hearing from Republicans, even in the Smither District. They say, “I share libertarian views, but why should we back any Libertarians when all they do is bash us all the time, call us Fascists and make our candidates lose elections?”

    Can you blame them?

    You know this may surprise some of you, but politics is a two-way street. You can’t continually bash people, call them Fascists, and then turn around and ask them for their votes and support.

    If Libertarians were a little more kind and helpful to Republicans from time to time, maybe it’d be easier now to get them to back Smither, and others.

  • Wes P

    E.D., unfortunately the LP doesn’t have ballot status in NH right now.

    Gorman identifies with several libertarian groups, so he’s hardly trying to fool people.

    When we speak of the major parties as enemies of freedom, clearly we mean that many of them do a lot we disagree with, but not all of them, and even the worst surprise us with decency occasionally. But we don’t dare count on it.

  • http://UnCivilDefence.blogspot.com MRJarrell

    No, Dunderoo. Paul runs as a Republican. Says so right on the official ballot. Duh!

  • Wes P

    If we didn’t speak loudly and rudely sometimes, we’d likely be totally ignored.

  • Wes P

    E.D., how is Ron Paul “identified as a Libertarian” and how does he “run as a Libertarian”?

    We know he is, but how many typical voters do? What do you see from him, as a resident of his district?

  • http://UnCivilDefence.blogspot.com MRJarrell

    These are Dunderoos Republicans hard at work fightin’ Turrer.
    Such fine, upstanding and qualified people. Maybe we could strive to be that good, eh? I think not.

  • http://www.mainstreamlibertarian.com Eric Dondero

    Sorry Wes, your buddy here, MRJarrell does mean “all Republicans” including Ron Paul and Don Gorman when he makes comments like “Republicans are all Fascists…” I’ve repeatedly asked him to clarify if he thinks that group includes RP, and he’s pretty much agreed.

    As for RP being listed as a Libertarian. This is common practice in TX CD-22. All newspapers down here like the Bay City Trib. Galveston Daily and Victoria Advocate list him as a Libertarian. Sometimes with a capitol L, other times with a small l.

  • paulie cannoli

    And just who is it that they are “hiding” at secret prisons.

    Golly gee, might they be Terrorists?

    Maybe, some of them are.

    Alsmost certainly some of them are not.

    How can we know if they do not have charges or lawyers or a chance to defend themselves (which they don’t)?

    Tech and DD:

    The leadership of the DP, like the leadership of the RP means mainly to control power. They are largely cynical opportunists. The rank and file supporters of both major parties generally mean well but have been duped.

  • Andy

    “And just who is it that they are “hiding” at secret prisons.? Golly gee, might they be Terrorists?”

    We don’t know who they are holding in secret prisons? How do you know that they are terrorists? What happened to public trials and due process? You may think that this doesn’t matter but this is a gross infringement on human rights and will be used against American citizens.

    “Might they be the very same people who assisted in blowing up the Twin Towers in NYC killing 3,000 of your fellow Americans?”

    Nope, all of the evidence says that 9/11 was an inside job. Terrorists could not have brought down building 7 when it was not even hit by an airplane and was on the other side of the WTC complex. Terrorists could not have made NORAD stand down.

    You should quit waving around 9/11 to justify police state actions.

  • Andy

    “They say, “I share libertarian views, but why should we back any Libertarians when all they do is bash us all the time, call us Fascists and make our candidates lose elections?”

    A lot of them are fascists. Sorry if the truth hurts. It sounds to me like these people you are refering to are locked into a team mentality.

  • Andy

    “Bergland, Badnarik? Got the Bergland GOP affiliation from a very old issue of LP News in my attic. Badnarik? Came from a bio I saw of him when he was running. I was a little surprised quite frankly. I would have though Badnarik was an Independent.”

    So what if they used to be Republicans? I know a lot of Libertarians who used to be Republicans, and I also know a lot that used to be Democrats and independents. They obviously left the Republican Party for a reason.

  • Andy

    “I suppose you would have left Muhammed Attah out of jail with a free card, huh?”

    The majority of elected Republicans should be in jail. If an elected official violates any part of the Constitution they should be put on trial, convicted as criminals, removed from office, and put in prison. Why do you give them a get out of jail free card?

  • Andy

    Here’s an example of what I’m talking about. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed a bill that banned .50 caliber rifles (and ammo). We are supposed to have a constitutional and inalienable right to keep and bear arms. So by signing this bill Arnold Schwarzenegger broke the law.

    Arnold Schwarzenegger Bans .50 Caliber Rifles
    http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040914-114028-9959r.htm

    Why isn’t Eric calling for Arnold Schwarzenegger to be removed from office and put in prison? Instead he said that Arnold Schwarzenegger was one of his political heros.

    I agree with what L. Neil Smith had to say about politicians who ban guns.

    Ban A Gun – Go To Jail
    http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:UCD9PIAWuoIJ:www.trt-md.org/articles/Ban-a-Gun.htm+ban+a+gun+-+go+to+jail&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2

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  • Andy

    “The Democrat Party is the Party of Fascism.”

    I don’t think that anyone here ever claimed that the Democrat Party is good. They suck. We all know that. We are just pointing out that the Republican Party sucks as well. I consider it pointless to argue about which of these parties sucks the most. That’s like going into a bar filled with ugly chicks and argueing about which chick is the ugliest.

    Here is a long list of George W. Bush’s contribution to big government. It hasn’t been updated since 2004 so it could be a lot longer.

    George W. Bush’s Contribution to Big Government
    http://alanchapman.org/libertyvault/gwb.html

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  • Andy

    Arnold may be from Austria, and he may have studied economics, but he sure isn’t following the Austrian School of Economics.

    Arnold Schwarzenegger Signs Bill To Raise California’s Minimum Wage
    http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/060912/20060912006421.html?.v=1

  • paulie cannoli

    Scwarzenfuehrer quotes:

    “My relationship to power and authority is that I’m all for it.” — Arnold Schwarzenegger at 44 to US News and World Report in 1990.

    “People need somebody to watch over them… Ninety-five percent of the people in the world need to be told what to do and how to behave.” — Arnold Schwarzenegger at 44 to US News and World Report in 1990.

    “I was always dreaming about very powerful people, dictators and things like that.” — Arnold Schwarzenegger in the 1977 film Pumping Iron

    “I saw this toilet bowl. How many times do you get away with this, to take a woman, grab her upside down, and bury her face in a toilet bowl? I wanted to have something floating there … The thing is, you can do it, because in the end, I didn’t do it to a woman, she’s a machine! We could get away with it without being crucified by who-knows-what group.” –
    Arnold Schwarzenegger describing a scene in Terminator 3

  • http://www.mainstreamlibertarian.com Eric Domderp

    And it was Arnold Schwarzenegger two weeks ago that vetoed two bills put forth by Democrats to stop libertarian petitioners in the State of California from getting paid for signature gathering.

    Golly gee, ya think that maybe, just maybe a few Libertarians might have thanked Arnold for that one?

    Nah, better to be cynical and bash him anyway.

    After all, that’s what it says in How to Win Friends and Influence People right? Bash ‘em over the head and call them Fascists, and then they’ll turn around and give you wahtever you want.

  • http://UnCivilDefence.blogspot.com MRJarrell

    Dondero: “Sorry Wes, your buddy here, MRJarrell does mean “all Republicans” including Ron Paul and Don Gorman when he makes comments like “Republicans are all Fascists”¦” Find one, one single instance where I said that Republicans were fascists. Onece again you do your usual song and stumble. Attributing words to people that they didn’t say. Right out of your Little Republican Book of Dumb Arguments. I said they were the enemy. E-N-E-M-Y. Get your arguments straight. I was clear about Paul, the Republican and I don’t care what Gorman does. If he cannot run as a Libertarian and chooses to run as a Repugnocrat that’s his business. If he switches his party affiliation back, if elected I’ll have no issue with him. If he ramins in the enemy camp…screw him.

  • Andy

    “And it was Arnold Schwarzenegger two weeks ago that vetoed two bills put forth by Democrats to stop libertarian petitioners in the State of California from getting paid for signature gathering.”

    Sure, it’s good that he didn’t sign that bill but this doesn’t excuse all of the bad stuff that he’s done. Also, why should he be “thanked” for not signing something that’s crappy? Shouldn’t our elected officials be EXPECTED to do the right thing?

    I think that Arnold did not sign that bill in part because he was protecting his own interests. Arnold would not be govenor today had it not been for paid petitioners collecting signatures on the Recall Grey Davis petition.

  • Andy

    “And it was Arnold Schwarzenegger two weeks ago that vetoed two bills put forth by Democrats to stop libertarian petitioners in the State of California from getting paid for signature gathering.”

    There aren’t that many paid petitioners who are libertarians. The majority of paid petitioners are just mercanaries with no real ideaology.

  • http://www.mainstreamlibertarian.com Eric Dondero

    So, Mr. Jarrell, let me just get an accurate quote from you, for other Libertarian boards and outlets. You’ll make a great fodder for use as an example of an out of the mainstream Libertarian.

    Again, you are saying:

    “Ron Paul and Don Gorman are enemies of Libertarians.”

    Is that correct, Sir?

    I sincerely hope that you will have the courage of your convictions and stand by those remarks.

  • http://www.mainstreamlibertarian.com Eric Dondero

    Oh, one more thing Jarrell.

    Bob Barr, Congressman of Georgia, and a REPUBLICAN, is backing Bob Smither for Congress. He has produced radio commercials endorsing Bob which are currently running all over Houston (America’s 4th largest city). He prouldy proclaims he’s a “Republican backing Bob Smither…”

    Since you view Ron Paul and Don Gorman as “enemies of Libertarians” because they have an ‘R’ by their name, does that apply to Mr. Barr, as well?

    I might be seeing Mr. Barr on Saturday when he comes down to the District to hold a rally for Bob. Should I mention to him, that an on-line Blogger named Jarrell thinks he’s an “enemy of Libertarians” cause he’s a Republican?

  • http://www.mainstreamlibertarian.com Eric Dondero

    Or Andy, they are indeed paid petitioners who are pretending to be “libertarians” so as to get contracts with Libertarian groups, but are in reality Leftists who hate America, apologize for Islamo-Fascism, hate liberty and free market economic values, and just want to smoke dope.

  • http://www.mainstreamlibertarian.com Eric Dondero

    Hey, what a novel approach to politics, especially as it relates to California and Arnold Schwarzenegger.

    If someone does something positive for you, don’t express your gratitude to them, just continue to bash them, kick ‘em in the teeth, call them names like “Fascist scum” and then hope that in the future they’ll do something else that you ask them too.

    Gotta love those quick thinking radical Libertarians, they know precisely how to win friends and influece people.

    No doubt, they’ve taken the Dale Carnegie course, once or twice.

  • http://www.mainstreamlibertarian.com Eric Dondero

    Andy writes, “So what if many LP Presidential candidates used to be Republicans…”

    Well, it was posited here that the Libertarian Party has no connection to the Republican Party. You don’t think that statistics matter? Let’s see now, 8 Libertarian Presidential candidates since 1972 (twice for Harry Browne). And everyone of them, save Browne came from the Republican Party. 7 to 0. That’s pretty damned overwhelming wouldn’t you say.

    Just why isn’t it that the LP ever ran a former Democrat?

    Oh, and one other teensy weensy statistic to ponder. No less than 3 out of those 7, have since returned to the Republican Party:

    John Hospers, the LP’s 1st Presidential candidate in 1972 publicly backed George W. Bush in 2004. Even sent out a letter for “Libertarians for Bush.”

    Roger MacBride, the LP’s 1976 Presidential candidate served as Chairman of the RLC from 1991-95.

    And as we know Ron Paul is now a Republican.

  • http://UnCivilDefence.blogspot.com MRJarrell

    Typical of your ilk, Dunderhead.
    “Ron Paul and Don Gorman are enemies of Libertarians.” And I said that quote…where? Hmm? Nowhere. This makes you a liar, as usual. The majority of Republicans stand for everything Libertarians oppose, no matter how much you flap about it. Republicans are our E-N-E-M-Y. Period. So are Democrats. My words are here for anyone who wants to read them and doesn’t choose to rely on your continued lies and misquotes.

  • http://www.mainstreamlibertarian.com Eric Dondero

    Again, you are deflecting, horribly I might add.

    Simple syllogism:

    You say for the entire world to see here at HoT that “Republicans are our E-N-E-M-Y.” Your exact words.

    I say fine, Jarrell. I presume you are aware that Ron Paul, Don Gorman, the 5 Libertarian Party members running for State House in Vermont, and scores of others, are “Republicans.”

    My question to you then, does that make Ron Paul, Gorman, the VT 5 “enemies of Libertarians”?

    A simple yes or no will suffice.

    Just trying to be as accurate as possible here for the record.

  • paulie cannoli

    Well, it was posited here that the Libertarian Party has no connection to the Republican Party. You don’t think that statistics matter? Let’s see now, 8 Libertarian Presidential candidates since 1972 (twice for Harry Browne). And everyone of them, save Browne came from the Republican Party. 7 to 0. That’s pretty damned overwhelming wouldn’t you say.

    Yes I would. I think it’s high time for that to change!

    Enough Republitarians. Let’s have a REAL Libertarian Party for a change.

    Or Andy, they are indeed paid petitioners who are pretending to be “libertarians” so as to get contracts with Libertarian groups, but are in reality Leftists who hate America, apologize for Islamo-Fascism, hate liberty and free market economic values, and just want to smoke dope.

    And who would that be?

    call them names like “Fascist scum”

    There’s nothing wrong with calling fascit scum what they are.

    Oh, when you meet Barr, ask him why he wants to torture pot patients.

  • Andy

    “John Hospers, the LP’s 1st Presidential candidate in 1972 publicly backed George W. Bush in 2004. Even sent out a letter for “Libertarians for Bush.”

    John Hospers has turned into a delusional old man. I saw him debate Gary Nolan at the LP of California Convention in 2005 and he made a fool of himself. I met a guy a few years ago who said he Hospers is one of his neighbors and he said that the old man smokes a lot of ganja. I can’t confirm this but I can confirm that he came off as an old fool. Sorry to say it but it’s the truth.

  • Andy

    “If someone does something positive for you, don’t express your gratitude to them, just continue to bash them, kick ”˜em in the teeth, call them names like “Fascist scum” and then hope that in the future they’ll do something else that you ask them too.”

    Well, what else would you call a gun grabbing, big spending, wage dictator? What am I supposed to do, bend over and kiss his ass and say, “Thank you for not violating my rights more than you already are?”

    The approach of licking RepubliCON boots hasn’t gotten us anywhere. The government has grown just as rapidly – and in some cases even more rapidly – under Republicans as it has under Democrats.

  • paulie

    Yep, I was there too and I have to say Andy is correct.

    Personally I don’t think Gary Nolan presented a real antiwar position. He said he was against the Iraq war but thought invading Iran might be a good idea, and I don’t think he said it in the debate but he is on record advocating the Afghan war.

    He also said the purpose of the US military is to protect “us” as if that propaganda was really true.

    After this phony debate they did not allow Q & A or comment, they just asked “who won” and “who was right”. I said “neither” and explained why, whereupon your buddy Bruce Cohen called me a “heckler.”

    I’m glad I turned my back on Cohen when he was considered for state VC and that Mark Selzer defeat him with our help.

  • Andy

    “Or Andy, they are indeed paid petitioners who are pretending to be “libertarians” so as to get contracts with Libertarian groups, but are in reality Leftists who hate America, apologize for Islamo-Fascism, hate liberty and free market economic values, and just want to smoke dope.”

    Nope, the majority of paid petitioners are not political and they are just in it for the money. Most of them don’t really care that much what the cause is, their only concern is how much money they can make. A lot of times it is necessary to hire mercanaries because that is what it takes to get the job done. I’m just pointing out that very few of them actually give a damn about the causes. Out of the ones that are also activists, only a few of them are libertarians.

    As for myself, I’ve been a Libertarian activist since 1996. I’d never circulated a petition until 2000. I’m far from being a leftist since I oppose gun control laws, government welfare programs, Affirmative Action,

  • Andy

    government schools, and other leftist “sacred cows.” I do agree with leftists when the support pro-liberty causes like anti-drug war and anti-wars of aggression against other nations, but that doesn’t mean that I’m a leftist. I love America – or at least America as defined in the Declaration of Independence and Constitution – although I’m also sympathetic towards anarcho-capitalism.

    I don’t consider Islamofascism to be an accurate term since fascism indicates an economic system where there is collusion between big government and big corporations as well as a militaristic foreign policy. Fascism more accurately describes the Bush administration. Of course there are Muslims that are religious authoritarians or theocrats and I don’t care for them but I also do not like authoritarian theocrats who claim to be Christians and Jews or any other religion. However, just because I disagree with some people in some other countries it does not mean that I advocate initiating military

  • Andy

    aggression against them. I would not support the idea of INITIATING wars of AGGRESSION against China or North Korea either, but this does not mean that I support communism.

    I love liberty and economic freedom. I think that smoking dope should be legal but it’s not something that I’ve done very often.

  • Andy

    “they are indeed paid petitioners who are pretending to be “libertarians” so as to get contracts with Libertarian groups”

    There’s a hell of a lot more money to be made in working with Democrats or Republicans or groups that are aligned with either of those parties than there is to be made in working with libertarians.

  • Andy

    “Personally I don’t think Gary Nolan presented a real antiwar position. He said he was against the Iraq war but thought invading Iran might be a good idea, and I don’t think he said it in the debate but he is on record advocating the Afghan war.”

    I don’t think that Gary Nolan was bad in that debate. As for him supporting the war in Afganistan, I’m willing to give him the benifit of the doubt since he probably believes the government’s story about 9/11 terrorists having connections there and I haven’t seen or heard any clarification as to how he would have handled the situation. I’ve heard accusations about Gary Nolan being a Republican mole but as far as I’m concerned the jury is still out on him. I think that Gary Nolan clearly won that debate and he made a solid case against the war in Iraq.

  • Andy

    “He said he was against the Iraq war but thought invading Iran might be a good idea,”

    I don’t believe that Gary actually supported invading Iran, I think that he was making an analogy. He said that gun control doesn’t work and neither does global gun control (in relation to Iran).

  • paulie

    Tom Knapp posted info that Gary Nolan was involved in a Republican PAC.

  • paulie
  • Andy

    “After this phony debate they did not allow Q & A or comment, they just asked “who won” and “who was right”. I said “neither” and explained why, whereupon your buddy Bruce Cohen called me a “heckler.”

    Not having a Question & Anwser session after that debate was really lame. It was also lame that they didn’t even do a real poll to see who people in the audience (all LP members) thought won the debate. They did do a hand raising “poll” (which was not counted) and it appeared to me that there were more hands up for Nolan.

    Paulie’s critique of Nolan’s performace has more to do with Nolan presenting a minarchist view instead of an anarchist view. Since the debate was not about minarchy vs. anarchy I did not consider this to be relavent. I thought that Nolan won the debate and did a decent job presenting a minarchist position.

  • paulie
  • paulie

    Yeah, he won the debate, but a hardcore *libertarian* antiwar position was not even ALLOWED in the debate, which was excacerbated by no Q&A.

    Everything which G. Nolan said in that debate could have been said by Howard Dean.

    It was kind of like a debate between R and D candidates, leaving out the Libertarian.

    Except this was at a Libertarian convention (Cali ’05)

    It’s a sad state of affairs when presenting the libertarian viewpoint at an LP convention is called heckling.

    The same Runold Raygun worshipping warmongers decided to hold the following year’s convention on a cruise boat, thereby illegally shutting out anyone who couldn’t pay for the cruise.

    Aaron Starr, Bruce Cohen and their like should not be called libertarians, much less hold leadership positions.

  • Andy

    On another thread Eric claimed that Republicans never play dirty when it comes to petitions. Here is a documented example that proves him wrong. In 2003 the Libertarian Party of Ohio collected 57,000 signatures for ballot access (the requirement was 32,000). The Republican Secratary of State disqualified all of the signatures for an absurd reason. Read about it by clicking the link below.

    http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/18/2003/470

  • Andy

    Here’s another example of Republicans playing dirty to keep the Libertarian Party off the ballot. This happened in Illinois back in ’98.

    http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:nOvsPlySdAQJ:www.lp.org/lpn/9812-ballot-IL.html+republican+challenge+libertarian+petition+illinois&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1

  • Andy

    Exert from the article link posted above.

    “The ballot drama had started on August 10, when the state Republican Party charged that 95% of the 60,638 signatures that Tobin and the other Libertarian candidates filed to get on the ballot were invalid because of ‘unregistered voters, forgeries, and other petition irregularities.’

    The challenge had apparently been filed, said Givot, because the GOP was worried that Tobin, a well-known anti-tax activist in Illinois, could cost Republican candidate George Ryan the gubernatorial race. And it was this Republican challenge that eventually led to the Board of Elections’ vote on October 13.”

  • Andy

    The Republican Attorney General of South Dakota, Larry Long, wrote biased and misleading ballot language for the Medical Marijuana initiative that is going to be on the ballot this year in South Dakota. Yet another example of Republicans playing dirty.

    Medical Marijuana: South Dakota Ballot Description Erroneous and Apparently Illegal
    http://www.stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/446/south_dakota_medical_marijuana_initiative

  • Andy

    Here’s yet another example of Republicans playing dirty when it comes to petitions. Eric will probably call me a “liar” again but I swear that this is true. Earlier this year there were a bunch of initiatives circulating in Nebrasaka. There was a Spending Limits initiative, an initiative dealing with Life Support, and 5 initiatives having to do with Legalizing Gambling. Petitioners in Nebrasaka had a very difficult time getting locations where they could gather signatures. One location where one would ASSUME that petitioners should be able to collect signatures at is the Department Of Motor Vehicles. Well, it turned out that all of the DMV’s in Omaha were in buildings that were rented from Morgan Properties. The head of Morgan Properties was PJ Morgan who just so happened to be the former Republican Mayor of Omaha (suprise, suprise). PJ Morgan decided that he didn’t want any petitioners at “his” DMV’s so he issued an order to have any petitioners that showed up to be asked

  • Andy

    to leave and if they refused to leave they were to be arrested. At one point in the campaign one of the coordinators was actually able to get permission for petitioners to gather signatures at a few grocery stores (all of the other stores were kicking petitioners out), however, it turned out that these stores were in shopping centers that were owned by PJ Morgan, and even though these stores said that it was OK for petitioners to be there the petitioners were quickly kicked out by Morgan Properties Security Gaurds.

    There were two organized blocking campaigns in Nebraska. One of them was opposed to the Spending Limits initiative and they were hired by the Democrat dominated government employee unions. The other blocking campaign was an anti-gambling group. I think that the blockers on the gambling initiative were all volunteer blockers as I doubt they had the money to hire people to block (they were not as much of a problem as the anti-Spending Limits blockers).

  • Andy

    I don’t know what PJ Morgan’s motivation was to kick out petitioners. Was he opposed to the Spending Limits initiative? Did he make a deal with the Democrat employee union thugs? Was he opposed to the gambling initiatives? Or was he just an anti-1st amendment @$$&0!#? I suspect the latter. Whatever the case may be PJ Morgan was not a friend of the petition process.

    Fortunately, the proponents of these campaigns were well organized and they hired lawyers and filed a law suit that opened of the access for petitioners in Nebraska.

    Here’s a link from the Morgan Properties website about former Republican Mayor PJ Morgan.

    http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:dMww4zatYS0J:www.pjmorgan.com/about/profile_pjmorgan.shtml+pj+morgan+mayor+republican&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=3

  • Andy

    “Andy talks about petitioning in Texas for the Libertarian Party. He says, “ah gee, those Green Party guys were just swell.” Really?? Is that why they would call the cops on us any time they would see us Libertarian Party petitioners out in front of public libraries or at the Houston Zoo? Is that why, even though we got permission at the Houston Zoo, they would come in every day and cut us off, without permission? Is that why it was common practice for Naderites to ask Libertarians to carry their petitions, but the minute you asked for the same regard for LP ballot access, they’d mumble, ‘ah well, we can’t do that.’”

    Well, I can tell you that I never had a problems in Texas with the Nader petitioners or the Green Party petitioners. I only ran into 1 or 2 Green Party petitioners (since the Greens weren’t paying they were volunteers and they didn’t even come close to making the ballot) but I ran into a BUNCH of Nader petitioners (Nader ran as an independent). Almost all of the

  • Andy

    Nader petitioners were working the Libertarian petition too. As I said on another thread, most of them were pretty cool.

    Texas has a couple of really stupid laws in regaurds to petitions. One is that if a person votes in the primaries (which is held before the petitions can come out) they are not allowed to sign any petitions to put candidates on the ballot. The other is that a person can only sign a petition for one political party and on idependent candidate.

    So a Texas registered voter could sign to put Ralph Nader on the ballot and they could also sign either the Libertarian Party petition or the Green Party petition (these were the only parties doing petition drives). The Greens were not much of a factor since they had a small handful of volunteers. The Nader petitioners were all over the palce and I never had a problem with them.

    Maybe the reason you had problems with them is because of your shitty attitude.

  • Andy

    “Bullshit Andy! Stop talking shit. Conservatives do not “block” libertarian petitioners. You’re a fucking liar. I’ve petitioned for over 20 years. I’ve petitioned for the Libertarian Party when you were in diapers in the snows of Western Nebraska. Never, ever has a conservative ever given me a hard time. Conservatives are too wimpy. It’s not their style.

    Liberals on the other hand, are thugs.

    They will yell and scream at you any time they see you on a college campus or grocery store. They will tell others in the area “not to sign.” They will even surround you with their thugs, like what recently happened to me at a campus in Butte, MT.

    Stop trying to play your silly-ass game, “oh gee, conservatives are just as bad as liberals” when it comes to blocking petitioners.

    Really, is that so? Tell me Andy, do you see any conservative lawyers trying to get our libertarian petitions thrown out in any states this year?

    Comment by Eric Dondero ”” 2006-10-22 @ 9:42 am”

  • http://www.lpalabama.org/blog/14 paulie

    Last week, the White House’s deputy drug czar warned South Dakota voters, “Do not fall for the con” of medical marijuana.

    Scott Burns, the drug czar’s deputy director of state and local affairs, visited Rapid City on Thursday and Sioux Falls on Friday and was joined by state Attorney General Larry Long and several law enforcement officials at news
    conferences to oppose the medical marijuana initiative that will be on the South Dakota ballot on November 7. Go to http://www.sdmedicalmarijuana.org/news to
    read some of the news coverage of the visit.

    The drug czar and the SD Atty Gen’l are NSGOPers.

    MPP had to sue to get the SD Republicans from printing a lying negative summary of our initiative on the ballot.

    The drug czar has illegally campaigned against our marijuana initiatives with tax money all over the country.

  • http://www.lpalabama.org/blog/14 paulie

    Really, is that so? Tell me Andy, do you see any conservative lawyers trying to get our libertarian petitions thrown out in any states this year?

    As a matter of fact yes, New York State was just one example.

  • http://www.lpalabama.org/blog/14 paulie

    Here’s another example of Republicans playing dirty to keep the Libertarian Party off the ballot. This happened in Illinois back in ”˜98.

    Yep and I was there for the defense. Later we found out that the NSGOP thugs working to kick us off the ballot were actually state employees illegally doing party work while also on teh clock as state employees.

    They did it again in 2002.

    In 2004 we got lucky because the NSGOP were too busy with the Ryan sex scandals. In 2000 we overcame the likelihood of a challenge by collecting over 70,000 signatures (25,000 valid requirement).

  • Andy

    The above message was posted on another thread. Here’s my response.

    Yes, I have been harrassed by Democrats for gather petition signatures. Yes, Democrats have gone so far as to hire people to block petitioners.

    However, this does NOT mean that Republicans are supportive of petition rights or ballot access. I have been harrassed on numerous occassions by Republicans. As I said in the previous thread, Republicans called the police on me 3 times for petitioning at gun shows, one of those times I was petitioning for LP ballot access!

  • http://www.lpalabama.org/blog/14 paulie

    Nader petitioners were working the Libertarian petition too. As I said on another thread, most of them were pretty cool.

    This was my experience too. We only got to work at UTEP thanks to a student who was a Nader/Green supporter.

    Nader petitioners circulated LP petitions (that I personally saw) in DC, Maryland, and Alabama. In Illinois they did not but only because of the law.

    I heard many other examples from other petitioners.

    LP national (Redpath) and Jason Kafoury from the Nader campaign were splitting expense costs and asking all each other’s petitioners to work both petitions.

  • http://www.lpalabama.org/blog/14 paulie

    After the medical marijuana initiative passed in DC (the only initiative in the history of the district to pass in every single precinct in the district) the NSGOP US Haus refused to certify the votes.

    Then, the courts said we could in fact run such an initiative but we would have to petition again.

    We got over twice the required signatures and beat back a challenge on the signatures.

    After all that another (NSGOP appointed) level of the federal courts said we did not have the right to protect patients suffering from AIDS, glaucoma and cancer from political torture-murder in the district.

    This man was brutally murdered by the regime as a result of the NSGOP blocking our petitions.

    http://www.november.org/thewall/cases/magbie-j/magbie-j.html

  • Andy

    Bush’s Drug “Czar” John Walters has been illegally campaigning against an initiative that would legalize up to once ounce of marijuana for adults 21 and over. This initiative was placed on the ballot by a citizen’s petition. Click the link and read on…

    http://www.420girls.com/420/forums/worldwide-cannabis-news/471-drug-czar-illegally-campaigns-against-nevada-marijuana-initiative.html

  • http://www.lpalabama.org/blog/14 paulie
  • Andy

    Paulie just posted links above where Young Republicans at Auburn University in Alabama refused to let Libertarians into a public debate and where Young Republicans tried to get the Auburn Libertarians ARRESTED for doing voter registration (and note that in Alabama you can’t register under political parties) at what the Young Republicans CLAIMED was a non-partisan event.

    Young Republicans. Sounds more like the Hitler Youth to me.

  • http://www.lpalabama.org/blog/14 paulie

    No, just the Bush League.

  • http://www.mainstreamlibertarian.com Eric Dondero

    Umm, Andy, I believe a correction is in order on your part.

    “Young Republicans” do not exist on college campuses.

    They are “College Republicans.” Huge difference. YRs are for 25 to 40 year olds.

    CRs are notoriously ignoramouses, who most Republicans, particularly YRs can’t stand. CRs are good for one thing; holding up signs at rallies. Besides that they’re pretty useless, and quite juvenile, judging by your post.

  • http://www.mainstreamlibertarian.com Eric Dondero

    That’s laughable Andy. Clinton’s Drug Czar did exactly the same thing in San Marcos, Texas a few years ago, when SM residents wanted to legalize marijuana.

    So, the major parties are supporters of the War on Drugs. What else is new? At least, once in a while there’s an occasional Republican who takes a differing view, actually backing legalization or at least “alternatives to the Drug War,” like NY Gov. George Pataki a few years back, and another Gov. from Texas who said “marijuana legalization should be a state’s rights issue.”

    Golly gee, I forgot that guy’s name???

  • http://www.mainstreamlibertarian.com Eric Dondero

    Eric comes clean on one point.

    Yes, Andy, Paulie, I agree with you in one area.

    Most Illinois Republicans pretty much suck! They are notoriously RINO (Republican In Name Only). And yes, they’ve taken absolutely atrocious actions against the Libertarian Party over the years.

    There’s nothing else I can say about them, except, Yup, I agree 100% regarding Republicans in that particular state.

  • http://www.mainstreamlibertarian.com Eric Dondero

    Ummm, notice how Andy says of Schwarzenegger, yeah it’s a good thing “he didn’t sign those bills” on ballot access.

    Notice the little nuance “didn’t sign those bills.”

    Yoh Andy, it’s not that he “didn’t sign those bills.”

    HE FRIGGIN VETOES THEM!!!!

    You make it sound like the legislation papers just kind of got lost in the shuffle on his desk in his offie.

    Noooooooo Andy. Arnold took out his big fat ball-point pen and wrote a BIG VETO ON THE PAPERS.

    That’s V-E-T-O as in VETO!!! Pronounced with a long ‘O’.

  • Andy

    I wonder if that was the same pen that he used to ban .50 caliber rifles & ammo and to increase California’s minimum wage.

  • Andy

    New York Governor George Pataki, the same ASSHOLE who banned the Ultimate Fighting Championship and other Mixed Martial Arts fighting events from New York.

  • Andy

    So just because Clinton’s drug “Cszar” illegally campaigned against marijuana initiatives too we should excuse Republicans from doing the same thing?

    The point that I’m making is that Republicans are just as bad as Democrats. You made the claim that Republicans don’t pull these kind of dirty tactics and I posted a bunch of information that proves otherwise.

  • paulie

    LOL Eric,

    are you seriously trying to posit that Republicans are more supportive of drug law reform than Democrats?

    Those of us who have done a lot of work on this particular issue, and most people who keep up with current events, know better, despite any anomalous examples you bring up.

  • IanC

    I think I finally figured out Dondero’s secret plot. He’s a plant here from the LNC… to attempt to ideologically unify all the rest of us by giving us someone to hate in common.

    It’s worked with me & undercover_anarchist somewhat already.

  • http://www.lpalabama.org/blog/14 paulie

    I don’t hate Eric.

    He’s waaaay wrong on what I consider to be the most important issues (as does he, based on his stated reason for supporting Lie-berman) but there are still many issues on which he is right, and he works hard.

    I’ll have a drink with him when our paths cross (no, I’m not going 800 miles out of my way for it) and I wouldn’t mind working with him sometime and seeing if he’s really as good as he says he is. And learning something if he really is!

    There’s no reason why political differences should translate into hatred, despite Julian and a few other weirdos who want to fight and “duel” and compare packages
    just because there are a few issues we don’t agree on.