Sekula-Gibbs Continues Fraudulent Polling Tactics

The Republican Party the “most corrupt in Congress”? Really. And just who is it that stashed $90,000 of bribe money in his freezer? Oh, that’s right William Jefferson, a Democrat. And Bob Menendez of New Jersey, King of the Kick-backs. Yup, you guessed it. A Democrat. And let’s not forget Harry Reid, the old land swindler. Just create a Vegas corporation and funnel money through it to line your own pockets.

You don’t hear about Democrat corruption, cause the liberal media prefers to bash Republicans 24/7, 365 days a year.

1) Corruption takes the form of more than merely kick-backs and bribery. This is an example; “[...] Sekula-Gibbs,*THE* Republican [...]”

2) Abramoff. Strangely, he really didn’t deal with *any* Democrats that I am aware of. Not only that, but one of the most famous cases was the Speaker of the House, the so-called “Hammer of ****MORALITY****”

The Republican Party today is the party of absolute fascism. The Democrat Party today is the party of absolute socialism.

Dondero, sir, you live in a fantasy-land of the past.

Certainly we must continue the *INFILTRATION* of the enemy; the Republicans. But we must *ALSO* truly begin in earnest the infiltration of the enemy; the Democrats.

‘Nough said. Let’s hope this Sekula-Gibbs push-poll is revealed for what it is to just about *ENOUGH* people.

Wow, I hope some local radio or news stations pick up on this.

Cool, Dondilldo’s back! Hey tough guy, why aren’t you in Iraq fighting the “terrorists”? You know, the war you and Uncle Joe constantly are pimping? Take Joe Lieberman’s cock out of your mouth and get your fat ass over to Iraq.

Sekula-Gibbs? Well what do you expect out of a candidate named after a dung beetle?

TV Newsroom Contacts for CD 22:

KTRK ABC – 713-669-1313

KPRC NBC – 713-222-6397

KHOU CBS – 713-521-4398

Polls should not be trusted by default due to things like this.

Prediction markets are more accurate and manipulation is counter productive.

Hey, there’s a market for this race! :)

http://www.tradesports.com/pda/contracts.jsp?eventID=48397&groupID=4494&className=Politics

#14 – I don’t recall anyone saying that here or anywhere else, leading me to conclude that it exhibits strawman characteristics.

Early on there was a credible movement among some Republicans including Texas Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson to get the GOP behind Smither. It would’ve been nice. But nobody was particularly surprised when GOP chairwoman Tina Benkiser lived up to her reputation of stupidity and threw her weight behind the write-ins. It doesn’t make the writein any more credible though – Gibbs will be lucky to break double digits.

Bottom line is this though: due to the GOP’s missteps, DeLay’s mishaps, and a couple of court rulings, Bob Smither is the best chance the Libertarian Party has ever had at even coming close to a seat in Congress, and probably the best shot it’ll have for a while. Any sensible Libertarian should recognize that opportunity and do whatever they can to make a good showing on election day.

#17, Phil you must not have read any of my posts then. I made it abundantly clear that they would rather have a liberal Democrat in office and win “nothing” rather than have Bob Smither in there and win a “lot”. Quotations because they don’t really stand for their professed beliefs.

This election will show, indisputable how ethically and morally bankrupt and truly irrational and idiotic the average Republican voter is or isn’t. I already know the result, but sincerely hope that I am wrong.

And the Republican opponent shall henceforth be known as “hyphen-lady”, if she is to even be mentioned at all thank you very much.

The Democratic Party doesn’t mean well. Unless meaning well is feathering your own nest and staying out of the way of the powers that be. That’s the point of “both” parties. They are one and the same. Owned by the same folks. When/if they win, nothing of any substance will change at all. Oh, they will talk like there is and will be, but there won’t. Nothing is going to happen in any case – it’s an illusion, a charade; and a poor one at that.

Please note, that a great many Republicans ARE supporting Bob Smither for Congress. Most prominently Jerry Patterson, Texas Land Commissioner. Now to non-Texas “Land Commissioner” must sound a bit like a low level office. It is not. It is regarded as the 3rd most powerful position in the State. It is highly coveted. Jerry is also Chairman of the Texas Republican Liberty Caucus.

In addition, Smither has the support of a great many Young Republicans in Houston.

Question? Do any of y’all see any Democrats stepping forward to back Smither?

‘Nother question? Do any of y’all see any Democrats stepping forward anywheres in the United States in any race at all stepping forward to back any Libertarian Party candidates?

Y’all bash Republicas. Yet it’s the Republicans who have allowed 5 Libertarian Party candidates on their ballot line in Vermont, and another 20 or so on their line in New Hampshire.

Great attitude; Bash your friends.

Since I will be walking precincts for Bob today, I just wanted to take a moment to remind all of you, what my Party affiliation is:

Republican.

That’s spelled R-E-P-U-B-L-I-C-A-N.

Just wondering, ya guys think that maybe they’ll be some local Democrats joining in for the precinct walks for Bob Smither, Libertarian for Congress?

I mean, after all, according to some partisan Libertarian Party members, “Republicans and Democrats are equally bad.”

I’ll be sure to report back to y’all to tell you how many Democrats joined us in the Smither precinct walks.

Oh, and my friend from Arkasas will be joining us later this week. And even though he’s a self-described “Anarcho-Capitalist (AC/DC – Metalica fanatic), his proud Party affiliation is Republican too. Imagine that?

I’d say there’s a qualitative difference in corruption between the 2 wings of BOYN. Democrat corruption is usually for personal gain: think Jefferson and Jim Traficant. Republicans tend to corrup the political process itself: consider numerous moves by Ken Blackwell of Ohio, Bush and habeas corpus, and this Hyphen-Lady push poll.

Eric, what the Dems do is EVIL but not corrupt. If the country goes to hell through clean democratic process, whose fault is that?

Oh, you mean like election fraud? Like, um, dunno, the recent incidents in St. Louis where ACORNers paid by the Minimum Wage petition drive were knocking doors for Democrat Clair McCaskill. Then two weeks later, the ACORNers were found to be registering dead people in N. St. Louis.

And the massive registration drives in southern California by the Democrat Party for illegal alien voters. (I speak fluent Spanish, and witnessed this myself on the border towns of El Cetro, Indio and Calexico.)

Yup, those Dems, they only commit evil for themselves. Has nothing to do with corrupting the system.

And how much are you being paid to walk the precincts? Here’s another clue. Libertarians are not Republicans. Republicans, like the Democrats are the enemy. That’s E-N-E-M-Y. Ignoring the facts because you’re a member of the Socialist Right does you no good. The Democrats are no better, nor worse than your wing of the Socialist party, Dunderoo. You both suck.

Let’s see, Mr. George W. Dondero. A Democrat hides money in a freezer. The Republians hide people in secret prisons. Hmm. Money in the freezer or people in secret prisons. Tough choice.

If you really want to campaign for the Republicans put on your jack boots and get out your brown shirt.

And just who is it that they are “hiding” at secret prisons.

Golly gee, might they be Terrorists? Might they be the very same people who assisted in blowing up the Twin Towers in NYC killing 3,000 of your fellow Americans?

I suppose you would have left Muhammed Attah out of jail with a free card, huh?

You just keep to your Republicrats good Democrats bad mantra and maybe someday, somewhere over the rainbow someone will believe you. No matter how much hair you pull out or how loud you scream the facts will never change. We, that is Libertarians are NOT Republicans. As for Paul…he’s a panderer to stupid voters who would drop him in a hot minute if he ran as a Libertarian. Is he the enemy? Maybe, his party sure as hell is.

Is there any word on this push-poll being sent to the media, and are they acting on this information with a story? I read the transcript and listened to the recording and while as a partisan Libertarian, I find it sensational, I tend to doubt that most media outlets would. “Politics as usual”, I presume, would be the prevalent attitude.

Has there been any thought to the idea that hyphen-lady *is* simply running as a spoiler, and possibly colluding with the Democrat so as to prevent Smither from winning office? For a Libertarian to win in DeLay’s old seat would be a stunning black eye to the Republican party and could represent a tipping point. A loss to the Democrat could be seen as “not unexpected”. $500,000 is a lot of money to spend to lose the race, and I don’t think the Republicans are that stupid or hardheaded.

Considering the alternative, losing the seat to a Libertarian would really require a more sophisticated explanation by the Republican party to the Body Politic.

Let me ask you something. Do you know who Don Gorman is?

Do you know that Gorman is running as a Republican this year for New Hampshire State House? Do you think Gorman is a “Fascist” cause he’s now runing as a Republican?

Bergland, Badnarik? Got the Bergland GOP affiliation from a very old issue of LP News in my attic. Badnarik? Came from a bio I saw of him when he was running. I was a little surprised quite frankly. I would have though Badnarik was an Independent.

And btw, here’s another thing I’m hearing from Republicans, even in the Smither District. They say, “I share libertarian views, but why should we back any Libertarians when all they do is bash us all the time, call us Fascists and make our candidates lose elections?”

Can you blame them?

You know this may surprise some of you, but politics is a two-way street. You can’t continually bash people, call them Fascists, and then turn around and ask them for their votes and support.

If Libertarians were a little more kind and helpful to Republicans from time to time, maybe it’d be easier now to get them to back Smither, and others.

No, Dunderoo. Paul runs as a Republican. Says so right on the official ballot. Duh!

E.D., how is Ron Paul “identified as a Libertarian” and how does he “run as a Libertarian”?

We know he is, but how many typical voters do? What do you see from him, as a resident of his district?

Sorry Wes, your buddy here, MRJarrell does mean “all Republicans” including Ron Paul and Don Gorman when he makes comments like “Republicans are all Fascists…” I’ve repeatedly asked him to clarify if he thinks that group includes RP, and he’s pretty much agreed.

As for RP being listed as a Libertarian. This is common practice in TX CD-22. All newspapers down here like the Bay City Trib. Galveston Daily and Victoria Advocate list him as a Libertarian. Sometimes with a capitol L, other times with a small l.

“And just who is it that they are “hiding” at secret prisons.? Golly gee, might they be Terrorists?”

We don’t know who they are holding in secret prisons? How do you know that they are terrorists? What happened to public trials and due process? You may think that this doesn’t matter but this is a gross infringement on human rights and will be used against American citizens.

“Might they be the very same people who assisted in blowing up the Twin Towers in NYC killing 3,000 of your fellow Americans?”

Nope, all of the evidence says that 9/11 was an inside job. Terrorists could not have brought down building 7 when it was not even hit by an airplane and was on the other side of the WTC complex. Terrorists could not have made NORAD stand down.

You should quit waving around 9/11 to justify police state actions.

“Bergland, Badnarik? Got the Bergland GOP affiliation from a very old issue of LP News in my attic. Badnarik? Came from a bio I saw of him when he was running. I was a little surprised quite frankly. I would have though Badnarik was an Independent.”

So what if they used to be Republicans? I know a lot of Libertarians who used to be Republicans, and I also know a lot that used to be Democrats and independents. They obviously left the Republican Party for a reason.

Here’s an example of what I’m talking about. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed a bill that banned .50 caliber rifles (and ammo). We are supposed to have a constitutional and inalienable right to keep and bear arms. So by signing this bill Arnold Schwarzenegger broke the law.

Arnold Schwarzenegger Bans .50 Caliber Rifles
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040914-114028-9959r.htm

Why isn’t Eric calling for Arnold Schwarzenegger to be removed from office and put in prison? Instead he said that Arnold Schwarzenegger was one of his political heros.

I agree with what L. Neil Smith had to say about politicians who ban guns.

Ban A Gun – Go To Jail
http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:UCD9PIAWuoIJ:www.trt-md.org/articles/Ban-a-Gun.htm+ban+a+gun+-+go+to+jail&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2

“The Democrat Party is the Party of Fascism.”

I don’t think that anyone here ever claimed that the Democrat Party is good. They suck. We all know that. We are just pointing out that the Republican Party sucks as well. I consider it pointless to argue about which of these parties sucks the most. That’s like going into a bar filled with ugly chicks and argueing about which chick is the ugliest.

Here is a long list of George W. Bush’s contribution to big government. It hasn’t been updated since 2004 so it could be a lot longer.

George W. Bush’s Contribution to Big Government
http://alanchapman.org/libertyvault/gwb.html

Arnold may be from Austria, and he may have studied economics, but he sure isn’t following the Austrian School of Economics.

Arnold Schwarzenegger Signs Bill To Raise California’s Minimum Wage
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/060912/20060912006421.html?.v=1

And it was Arnold Schwarzenegger two weeks ago that vetoed two bills put forth by Democrats to stop libertarian petitioners in the State of California from getting paid for signature gathering.

Golly gee, ya think that maybe, just maybe a few Libertarians might have thanked Arnold for that one?

Nah, better to be cynical and bash him anyway.

After all, that’s what it says in How to Win Friends and Influence People right? Bash ‘em over the head and call them Fascists, and then they’ll turn around and give you wahtever you want.

“And it was Arnold Schwarzenegger two weeks ago that vetoed two bills put forth by Democrats to stop libertarian petitioners in the State of California from getting paid for signature gathering.”

Sure, it’s good that he didn’t sign that bill but this doesn’t excuse all of the bad stuff that he’s done. Also, why should he be “thanked” for not signing something that’s crappy? Shouldn’t our elected officials be EXPECTED to do the right thing?

I think that Arnold did not sign that bill in part because he was protecting his own interests. Arnold would not be govenor today had it not been for paid petitioners collecting signatures on the Recall Grey Davis petition.

So, Mr. Jarrell, let me just get an accurate quote from you, for other Libertarian boards and outlets. You’ll make a great fodder for use as an example of an out of the mainstream Libertarian.

Again, you are saying:

“Ron Paul and Don Gorman are enemies of Libertarians.”

Is that correct, Sir?

I sincerely hope that you will have the courage of your convictions and stand by those remarks.

Or Andy, they are indeed paid petitioners who are pretending to be “libertarians” so as to get contracts with Libertarian groups, but are in reality Leftists who hate America, apologize for Islamo-Fascism, hate liberty and free market economic values, and just want to smoke dope.

Andy writes, “So what if many LP Presidential candidates used to be Republicans…”

Well, it was posited here that the Libertarian Party has no connection to the Republican Party. You don’t think that statistics matter? Let’s see now, 8 Libertarian Presidential candidates since 1972 (twice for Harry Browne). And everyone of them, save Browne came from the Republican Party. 7 to 0. That’s pretty damned overwhelming wouldn’t you say.

Just why isn’t it that the LP ever ran a former Democrat?

Oh, and one other teensy weensy statistic to ponder. No less than 3 out of those 7, have since returned to the Republican Party:

John Hospers, the LP’s 1st Presidential candidate in 1972 publicly backed George W. Bush in 2004. Even sent out a letter for “Libertarians for Bush.”

Roger MacBride, the LP’s 1976 Presidential candidate served as Chairman of the RLC from 1991-95.

And as we know Ron Paul is now a Republican.

Again, you are deflecting, horribly I might add.

Simple syllogism:

You say for the entire world to see here at HoT that “Republicans are our E-N-E-M-Y.” Your exact words.

I say fine, Jarrell. I presume you are aware that Ron Paul, Don Gorman, the 5 Libertarian Party members running for State House in Vermont, and scores of others, are “Republicans.”

My question to you then, does that make Ron Paul, Gorman, the VT 5 “enemies of Libertarians”?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

Just trying to be as accurate as possible here for the record.

“John Hospers, the LP’s 1st Presidential candidate in 1972 publicly backed George W. Bush in 2004. Even sent out a letter for “Libertarians for Bush.”

John Hospers has turned into a delusional old man. I saw him debate Gary Nolan at the LP of California Convention in 2005 and he made a fool of himself. I met a guy a few years ago who said he Hospers is one of his neighbors and he said that the old man smokes a lot of ganja. I can’t confirm this but I can confirm that he came off as an old fool. Sorry to say it but it’s the truth.

Yep, I was there too and I have to say Andy is correct.

Personally I don’t think Gary Nolan presented a real antiwar position. He said he was against the Iraq war but thought invading Iran might be a good idea, and I don’t think he said it in the debate but he is on record advocating the Afghan war.

He also said the purpose of the US military is to protect “us” as if that propaganda was really true.

After this phony debate they did not allow Q & A or comment, they just asked “who won” and “who was right”. I said “neither” and explained why, whereupon your buddy Bruce Cohen called me a “heckler.”

I’m glad I turned my back on Cohen when he was considered for state VC and that Mark Selzer defeat him with our help.

government schools, and other leftist “sacred cows.” I do agree with leftists when the support pro-liberty causes like anti-drug war and anti-wars of aggression against other nations, but that doesn’t mean that I’m a leftist. I love America – or at least America as defined in the Declaration of Independence and Constitution – although I’m also sympathetic towards anarcho-capitalism.

I don’t consider Islamofascism to be an accurate term since fascism indicates an economic system where there is collusion between big government and big corporations as well as a militaristic foreign policy. Fascism more accurately describes the Bush administration. Of course there are Muslims that are religious authoritarians or theocrats and I don’t care for them but I also do not like authoritarian theocrats who claim to be Christians and Jews or any other religion. However, just because I disagree with some people in some other countries it does not mean that I advocate initiating military

“they are indeed paid petitioners who are pretending to be “libertarians” so as to get contracts with Libertarian groups”

There’s a hell of a lot more money to be made in working with Democrats or Republicans or groups that are aligned with either of those parties than there is to be made in working with libertarians.

“He said he was against the Iraq war but thought invading Iran might be a good idea,”

I don’t believe that Gary actually supported invading Iran, I think that he was making an analogy. He said that gun control doesn’t work and neither does global gun control (in relation to Iran).

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Free_the_Eagle

http://cleveland.indymedia.org/news/2004/02/8967.php?theme=8

On another thread Eric claimed that Republicans never play dirty when it comes to petitions. Here is a documented example that proves him wrong. In 2003 the Libertarian Party of Ohio collected 57,000 signatures for ballot access (the requirement was 32,000). The Republican Secratary of State disqualified all of the signatures for an absurd reason. Read about it by clicking the link below.

http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/18/2003/470

Exert from the article link posted above.

“The ballot drama had started on August 10, when the state Republican Party charged that 95% of the 60,638 signatures that Tobin and the other Libertarian candidates filed to get on the ballot were invalid because of ‘unregistered voters, forgeries, and other petition irregularities.’

The challenge had apparently been filed, said Givot, because the GOP was worried that Tobin, a well-known anti-tax activist in Illinois, could cost Republican candidate George Ryan the gubernatorial race. And it was this Republican challenge that eventually led to the Board of Elections’ vote on October 13.”

Here’s yet another example of Republicans playing dirty when it comes to petitions. Eric will probably call me a “liar” again but I swear that this is true. Earlier this year there were a bunch of initiatives circulating in Nebrasaka. There was a Spending Limits initiative, an initiative dealing with Life Support, and 5 initiatives having to do with Legalizing Gambling. Petitioners in Nebrasaka had a very difficult time getting locations where they could gather signatures. One location where one would ASSUME that petitioners should be able to collect signatures at is the Department Of Motor Vehicles. Well, it turned out that all of the DMV’s in Omaha were in buildings that were rented from Morgan Properties. The head of Morgan Properties was PJ Morgan who just so happened to be the former Republican Mayor of Omaha (suprise, suprise). PJ Morgan decided that he didn’t want any petitioners at “his” DMV’s so he issued an order to have any petitioners that showed up to be asked

I don’t know what PJ Morgan’s motivation was to kick out petitioners. Was he opposed to the Spending Limits initiative? Did he make a deal with the Democrat employee union thugs? Was he opposed to the gambling initiatives? Or was he just an anti-1st amendment @$$&0!#? I suspect the latter. Whatever the case may be PJ Morgan was not a friend of the petition process.

Fortunately, the proponents of these campaigns were well organized and they hired lawyers and filed a law suit that opened of the access for petitioners in Nebraska.

Here’s a link from the Morgan Properties website about former Republican Mayor PJ Morgan.

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:dMww4zatYS0J:www.pjmorgan.com/about/profile_pjmorgan.shtml+pj+morgan+mayor+republican&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=3

Nader petitioners were working the Libertarian petition too. As I said on another thread, most of them were pretty cool.

Texas has a couple of really stupid laws in regaurds to petitions. One is that if a person votes in the primaries (which is held before the petitions can come out) they are not allowed to sign any petitions to put candidates on the ballot. The other is that a person can only sign a petition for one political party and on idependent candidate.

So a Texas registered voter could sign to put Ralph Nader on the ballot and they could also sign either the Libertarian Party petition or the Green Party petition (these were the only parties doing petition drives). The Greens were not much of a factor since they had a small handful of volunteers. The Nader petitioners were all over the palce and I never had a problem with them.

Maybe the reason you had problems with them is because of your shitty attitude.

Last week, the White House’s deputy drug czar warned South Dakota voters, “Do not fall for the con” of medical marijuana.

Scott Burns, the drug czar’s deputy director of state and local affairs, visited Rapid City on Thursday and Sioux Falls on Friday and was joined by state Attorney General Larry Long and several law enforcement officials at news
conferences to oppose the medical marijuana initiative that will be on the South Dakota ballot on November 7. Go to http://www.sdmedicalmarijuana.org/news to
read some of the news coverage of the visit.

The drug czar and the SD Atty Gen’l are NSGOPers.

MPP had to sue to get the SD Republicans from printing a lying negative summary of our initiative on the ballot.

The drug czar has illegally campaigned against our marijuana initiatives with tax money all over the country.

Here’s another example of Republicans playing dirty to keep the Libertarian Party off the ballot. This happened in Illinois back in ”˜98.

Yep and I was there for the defense. Later we found out that the NSGOP thugs working to kick us off the ballot were actually state employees illegally doing party work while also on teh clock as state employees.

They did it again in 2002.

In 2004 we got lucky because the NSGOP were too busy with the Ryan sex scandals. In 2000 we overcame the likelihood of a challenge by collecting over 70,000 signatures (25,000 valid requirement).

Nader petitioners were working the Libertarian petition too. As I said on another thread, most of them were pretty cool.

This was my experience too. We only got to work at UTEP thanks to a student who was a Nader/Green supporter.

Nader petitioners circulated LP petitions (that I personally saw) in DC, Maryland, and Alabama. In Illinois they did not but only because of the law.

I heard many other examples from other petitioners.

LP national (Redpath) and Jason Kafoury from the Nader campaign were splitting expense costs and asking all each other’s petitioners to work both petitions.

Bush’s Drug “Czar” John Walters has been illegally campaigning against an initiative that would legalize up to once ounce of marijuana for adults 21 and over. This initiative was placed on the ballot by a citizen’s petition. Click the link and read on…

http://www.420girls.com/420/forums/worldwide-cannabis-news/471-drug-czar-illegally-campaigns-against-nevada-marijuana-initiative.html

Paulie just posted links above where Young Republicans at Auburn University in Alabama refused to let Libertarians into a public debate and where Young Republicans tried to get the Auburn Libertarians ARRESTED for doing voter registration (and note that in Alabama you can’t register under political parties) at what the Young Republicans CLAIMED was a non-partisan event.

Young Republicans. Sounds more like the Hitler Youth to me.

Umm, Andy, I believe a correction is in order on your part.

“Young Republicans” do not exist on college campuses.

They are “College Republicans.” Huge difference. YRs are for 25 to 40 year olds.

CRs are notoriously ignoramouses, who most Republicans, particularly YRs can’t stand. CRs are good for one thing; holding up signs at rallies. Besides that they’re pretty useless, and quite juvenile, judging by your post.

Eric comes clean on one point.

Yes, Andy, Paulie, I agree with you in one area.

Most Illinois Republicans pretty much suck! They are notoriously RINO (Republican In Name Only). And yes, they’ve taken absolutely atrocious actions against the Libertarian Party over the years.

There’s nothing else I can say about them, except, Yup, I agree 100% regarding Republicans in that particular state.

I wonder if that was the same pen that he used to ban .50 caliber rifles & ammo and to increase California’s minimum wage.

So just because Clinton’s drug “Cszar” illegally campaigned against marijuana initiatives too we should excuse Republicans from doing the same thing?

The point that I’m making is that Republicans are just as bad as Democrats. You made the claim that Republicans don’t pull these kind of dirty tactics and I posted a bunch of information that proves otherwise.

I think I finally figured out Dondero’s secret plot. He’s a plant here from the LNC… to attempt to ideologically unify all the rest of us by giving us someone to hate in common.

It’s worked with me & undercover_anarchist somewhat already.