Penn Jillette on 9/11 Conspiracy Theories

Penn and Teller (well, actually just Penn) have a message for 9/11 conspiracy theorists: Bullshit! This video is likely to stir the coals in the continued debate over the cause of the World Trade Center collapse.

UPDATE: In order to cover both sides of this issue, Charlie Sheen just came out on the other side of this topic. The title of the top related story on Google News was “Take Off the 9/11 Tinfoil Hats.”

In America, the conspiracy ball has been rolling quite nicely, thank you. Pushed along by Hollywood celebrities like Michael Moore and Charlie Sheen, as well as a very large, very vocal segment of left wing internet blogs, the theories all seem to have a couple of things in common; that the government knew about the attacks prior to 9/11 and did nothing about them and that the “whole story” of what really happened that day is being withheld from the American people.

posted by Stephen Gordon
  • Jake Porter

    http://www.matriots.com/bh/25.html

    # Become incredulous and indignant.

    Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used to show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the “How dare you!” gambit.

    # Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule.

    This is also known as the primary “attack the messenger” ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as “kooks”, “right-wing”, “liberal”, “left-wing”, “terrorists”, “conspiracy buffs”, “radicals”, “militia”, “racists”, “religious fanatics”, “sexual deviates”, and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

    We should never stop questioning our government.

  • http://360.yahoo.com/pong_god Robert Mayer

    My take is that the official government story is not completely believable. I think there really are many, many inconsistencies to the story and facts/evidence that were hurriedly swept under the rug. However, when Penn trots out some of the more extreme folks who present the most outlandish theories without substantial evidence, it sounds like he’s suggesting that there’s nothing amiss about the government line. I don’t think it’s disrespectful to the families of lost loved ones for others to suggest that there’s more to what happened than the government is telling us.

  • Stephen VanDyke

    I don’t think the government had anything to do with it other than incompetence to actually protect this country. But I do think they’ve intentionally scrubbed things and warped history in order to fit their agenda (you know, like Saddam being in cahoots with Osama).

    One of the issues libertarians need to offer up to actually woo these conspiracy people (and stop them from wasting their time spinning their wheels in the 9/11 conspiracy mud) is to tell them that if they are elected, they will make public all government information/tapes/memos/etc surrounding 9/11 and will leave it to independent analysis.

  • Ian C

    I’m afraid that some of the people here are slowly turning me into a tinfoil hatter on this one…

    I in no way shape or form believe for a second that the twin towers themselves were anything but the result of incompetence on the part of the “US FedGov.”

    However, I recall a video that was being pushed regarding the Pentagon’s damage, trajectory of impact, etc. That such a disparate target could be damaged in so non-impactful a way without leaving — within hours of the impact — anything resembling the wings or fuselage of a plane as large as a 747… is hard to swallow. Especially as it was supposedly a 747 flown by a trained amateur pilot roughly 5 or 10 feet off of the ground for a long enough period to be in that trajectory … It’s just hard to take seriously.

    The “Building 7″ part… I can accept concussive force inducing an “implosion” there. But the Pentagon bit has me questioning…

    Mostly, though, I tend to agree with Penn Gillette on this one.

  • Anonymouse

    Silverstein admits that building 7 was “pulled,” or brought down with controlled demolition, and no steel-framed skyscraper in history has ever collapsed due to fire, even fires that have burned across many floors over many days, prior to 9/11.

    See http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7750532340306101329 for the Silverstein admission.

  • Rick Rajter

    Well, let’s dissect this clip.

    Ahh, immediately linking 9/11 theorists to moan hoaxers. Also known as setting up the strawman. The 2 have nothing to do with one another, and is simply used to ridicule.

    Plethora of ad hominem attacks. If conspiracy theorist used such techniques, they are yelled at for being emotional and not sticking to the facts. Apparently it’s a double standard.

    There go to guy… a fireman that lost 50 friends. Yeah, like he doesn’t have a vested interest in believing the official theory.

    Who do they put on to argue? Hufschmid, the dorky looking guy, and walters, the flambouyant guy. Straw man again.

    Walters was just a rich boy, therefore not smart. Non sequitor.

    lol. I love when they made fun of conspiracy theorists for “taking disparate pieces and putting them together”. Gee, you mean like, a prosecutor?

    The clip claims the towers were brought down by fire, but no proof given or expert cited. Some experts actually claims it was the jet impacts.

  • Rick Rajter

    btw… why did this blog ignore Charlie Sheen coming forward and calling “Bullshit” on the official government conspiracy theory. After all, they are both just celebrities. But at least sheen talked about specific details, and didn’t wasted 1/3 of his time cursing at his opposition.

  • Torfinn “the mighty”

    My question for all of you would be, have you seen “Loose Change yet”?

    I’m not going to stand on the gruonds it offers, however it brings some serious points forward that I think we should be debunking seriously, instead of simply criticizing the idea that someone is critical of what everyone thinks happened. Much more constructive.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zUht6cLkMc&search=loose%20change

  • Usman Bello

    The Loose Change Viewer’s Guide:

    DOC: http://tinyurl.com/epp82
    HTML: http://tinyurl.com/jnfp8

  • http://www.atlantisring.com Alexander Baldal

    Enough said, I am waiting for the first American Truth Fanatic to douse himself with petrol and threathen to set himself alight if tapes that were confiscated around the Pentagon are not released, and the debris from the plane that hit it, and so on.

  • Rick Rajter

    I think the last paragraph of the new link regarding Charlie Sheen says it all

    (from a supporter of the official government story)
    We cannot let that happen. Considering that the War on Terror will probably be a generational conflict, we owe it to our children and grandchildren to keep what really happened on 9/11 from sliding away into the muck of conspiracy and fantasy. Otherwise, we run the risk of forgetting why we fight and why we must win this war.

    Yeah… the war on terror. Just like the war on drugs. They cause the problem, then declare war on it. Yippee

  • disinter

    I no longer have respect for Penn Teller….

  • http://www.MetropolisTimes.com Adam

    What’s going to combat ridiculous conspiracy theories isn’t calling the theorists “assholes” and avoiding discussion of their claims. Popular Mechanics did a piece once explaining how planes filled with jet fluid can catch a building on fire and analyzed some of the video conspiracy theorists were mis-using. That’s the sort of thing that helps.

  • Rick Rajter

    Yes, and popular mechanics claimed (rightly so) that the jet fuel was totally burned out with 10 minutes. This left the remaining 40 minutes to be either fire free, or office furnature fires. Since the heat added to the jet fuel was dissipating for this 40 minutes, the heat generated from the office furntiure fires would have to exceed this loss and then some.

    PM article quote

    “The jet fuel was the ignition source,” Williams tells PM. “It burned for maybe 10 minutes, and [the towers] were still standing in 10 minutes. It was the rest of the stuff burning afterward that was responsible for the heat transfer that eventually brought them down.”

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=4&c=y

    This claim of office furnature fires being extensive was disproved by the fireman reaching the impacted floors and seeing 2 pockets of fire.

    Next…

  • http://www.reopen911.org pw

    1
    The 9/11 Commission Report: A 571-Page Lie (completely discredits & dismantles OUR Govt 9-11 story…pw)
    by Dr. David Ray Griffin
    Sunday, May 22, 2005
    http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050523112738404

    Former Asst. Sec. Of Treasury Under Reagan Doubts Official 9/11 Story; Claims Neo Con Agenda Is As ‘Insane As Hitler And Nazi Party When They Invaded Russia In Dead Of Winter’
    By Greg Szymanski
    http://www.arcticbeacon.citymaker.com/page/page/1518131.htm

    FBI Claims 84 Videos
    Show NO Flight 77 Impact
    By Jon Carlson
    carlson.jon@att.net
    10-8-5
    http://www.rense.com/general67/fbicl.html

    Steven E. Jones, Brigham Young Physics Professor, Thinks Bombs, Not Planes, Toppled WTC
    http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

    9/11, Iraq & PNAC – The Connection is Clear & Undeniable
    http://tvnewslies.org/blog/?p=181

  • http://www.standdown.net pw

    TvNewsLIES Challenges Believers of the Official Version of 9/11:
    Where the Hell Is YOUR Proof?
    “In the late 1990′s members of the Project for a New American Century wrote a treatise in which they foresaw a strategic “transformation” of the U.S. military into an imperialistic force of global domination that would require a huge increase in defense spending. “The process of transformation,” the plan said, “is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event””like a new Pearl Harbor.” The members of this group, known as PNAC, were appointed to many high level positions in the new Bush administration. Only months after they came to power, the United States experienced a new Pearl Harbor. That has never been publicized or explained as anything other than mere coincidence….”
    http://tvnewslies.org/html/where_the_hell_is_your_9_11_pr.html

  • http://www.standdown.net pw

    There are many great websites that prove the Bush adminstration PLANNED
    ORCHESTRATED 9-11…heres a few of them…peace,pw

    http://www.reopen911.org/
    http://www.911blogger.com
    http://www.geocities.com/killtown/
    http://www.StandDown.net/
    http://www.911truth.org
    http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/911links.html

    With each passig day more and more American citizens
    are learning the truth about 9-11.
    And the truth is that the Bush adminstration Planned and Orchestrated 9-11
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    send me your mailing address and i will send you the DVD
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  • Daniel

    Penn has a very good reputation among skeptics. I watched this video expecting him to provide a rational debunking of one or more of the 9/11 claims: impossible thrmodynamics, improbable flight paths, insider trading… instead, what I got was 7 minutes of crude ad hominem attacks and verbal slight-of-hand.

    That’s what we’re calling skepticism these days?

  • Rick Rajter

    Daniel,

    He showed skepticism by letting others say their opinion, while making fun and swearing at them the entire time. Yeah, he’s really looking for the truth eh? He made fun of a guy earlier when he stated that nobody could convince him… well, Penn also can’t be convinced. He already has a predetermined conclusion.

    Glad you saw through his ruse.

  • Timothy West

    /rant on

    Whats this bullshit with “ad hominem” everything?

    Thats basically the standard mode for Penn when he talks about anything – he cusses a lot.

    My wife didnt sit there listening to his thinking about how his language was “ad hominem” – she laffed her ass off and Penn got his point across, “ad hominem” or not.

    I fucking hate “ad hominem” used as a calm rational, soothing libertarian comeback. I posted somthing on l4s once about how too many libertarians come across as unfeeling uncaring Spocks.

    GOD DAMNIT! QUIT ACTING LIKE A BUNCH OF FUCKING FREAKS! YOU”RE HUMAN! YOU”RE FUCKING ALLOWED TO SAY FUCKING BAD WORDS AND SHOW EMOTION!! GOD GAVE YOU THAT! :(

    And just for good measure: Fuckity fuck fuck.

    Now all of you go look at that episode of South Park where Kyle asks Mr. Mackey how a word can be bad. It’s just a word. mmmmmmmk?

    /rant off.

  • Timothy West

    Sorry if that’s too “ad hominem”….but humor is an important tool in getting a point across, and something that the
    LP has suffered from a distinct lack of over the years.

    One too many LP purist asshats have used that phrase on me, and Rick was just in the wrong place, wrong time. Had to blow sooner or later.:D

  • Devious David

    Dissapointed with Penn on this one. He didn’t approach the issues and unanswered questions. He just attacked the two conspiracy theorists and blabbed on about how we are supposed to unquestioninigly beleive something because it’s popular or “supposed” to be – the world was once flat. The guy with the book sounded crazy even when you give him the benefit of the doubt due to clever editing; what kind of honest debate can you have with people like that representing the other side?

    I fail to see much of any cogent argument presented here one way or another. I also find the appeal to emotion by getting the fireman to be a cheap ploy. I am also disgusted by the fact that Penn insists that somehow, people who question the dubious official story (conspiracy or not) are somehow disrespecting the victims memory or supporting terrorism. I guess Penn is really part of the “Your with us or against us” crowd.

    I’d like to see Penn go up against someone(s) who is organized, sane and objective.

  • Stuart Richards

    Penn didn’t go into too much detail; mainly just presenting the traditional theory again. The ad hominems are irrelevant either way; that’s just half of his appeal as a commentator.

    I’m with VanDyke on this one. Let’s get to power first; then we’ll release whatever the government has, and that’ll solve matters once and for all.

  • http://disvoter.blogspot.com The Disenfranchised Voter

    The 9/11 conspiracy theory isn’t even accepted by a majority of the left wing blogs…

    About the only “mainstream” left wing site you’ll find people who believe that is Democratic Underground…

  • Matthew Day

    So this is the leading argument against government complicity in 9/11? Penn and Teller, illusion artists, telling us that anyone who disagrees is an ‘asshole’? You OV’ers need to do better than this.

    For anyone who is unaware of many of the issues surrounding 9/11 government complicity, please watch this hour long documentary

    THIS IS NOT ‘LOOSE CHANGE’, THIS FOCUSES ON THE COMPLETELY PROVABLE ASPECTS OF GOVERNEMENT COMPLICITY

    Please watch, ‘Everybody’s Gotta Learn Sometime’

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6757267008400743688&q=Everybody%27s+gotta

  • Timothy West

    He’s a FUCKING COMIC. That’s what he does. What the hell is he supposed to act like? Some relly serious news reporter?

    You act like if he doesnt act like Willim F. Buckely of National Review that right there he’s not credible. I think he decided quite rightly thats he’s A COMIC and he has no background to judge, so he called in other people who did.

    Penn’s job in Bullshit! is to be a comic guy, not a expert in anything, becuase he’s the first to admit he’s clearly not one.

  • Rick Rajter

    Timothy,

    Sure he’s a comic, but by claiming to run a program which ‘debunks’ things, he is already making a claim that this is more the entertrainment. If he really meant it as “I havent’ a fucking clue what I’m talking about, but I’ll get people riled up and ready to roll”, that is fine. The problem is, dipshits will now see Penn’s viewpoint and go “HA! See, you stupid tin foil hat-ers!!! LOL We were right all along!!!”

    As for your rant on ad hominen. I’m not saying that it doesn’t have a certain and desirable effect IN CONJUNCTION with ethos, pathos, and logos… but when it’s the FOCAL POINT of your argument, then it merely makes you look like a big douche bag.

    For instance. If I came out for the 9/11 inside job conspiracy theory, would it benefit me to only mention “what fucking idiots would suck on the governments tit so hard as to not see their complicity!” And then I can just go into tirades how they are statists etc.

  • Timothy West

    Rick, is this your first exposure with Penn on Bullshit? He’s not doing anything different wih this subject as he has done q with others. Basically, this is the Penn that acts the way he does when he “doesnt have to play nice” like for a network show.

    It’s the same old Penn I’ve seen a dozen times rant. I guess thats why it’s nothing special for me. Sen the act too many imes…an thats all it is…an act. He’s entertainer. I NEVER take entertainers seriously. Same reason why I would never listen to anything Rush Limbaugh says. He’s a entertainer and nothing more.

  • Sandra Kallander

    It would be hard to imagine an event more likely to cause us to bring our psychological defense mechanisms, in their infinite variety, to the fore.

    Clearly, some of us prefer intellectualization, but plenty of others use denial, anger, projection, displacement, rationalization, and repression. It hardly seems helpful to ridicule others for their choice of psychological self-defense.

    But that’s just me, intellectualizing like mad.

    We need to understand how people feel so we can act to reduce the anxiety clouding the judgement of voters, lest we give the wrong people the power to launch missiles.

  • Rick Rajter

    Timothy,

    Yeah, I haven’t watched the show… nor do I plan on it. I’m spread to thin as it is and don’t really find Penn’s approach that unique. I can go to a bar in boston and get the same reaction asking about “which team is better, the red sox or the yankees?”

  • Timothy West

    Rick,

    thats how most people really live. I’m able and willing to deal with either end, and just as comfy telling someone who needs to be told to FUCK OFF to FUCK OFF as I am discussing plans to reform Social Security. I fit to the venue and I dont demand the crowd fit to suit. I fit to suit them. Thats why I get along with a wide range of folk. The only people I have a problem relating with are people that want to keep the LP broke and powerless becuase it keeps the party pure. :)

  • Stephen VanDyke

    Again, I don’t know of any Libertarian or LP candidate who is against opening up the vast amount of classified government information surrounding the actual events of 9/11.

    This should be the holy grail for conspiracy theorists to elect libertarians, because god knows they aren’t getting anywhere by citing a bunch of theories and beating their chests against the Dems and Repubs.

    Nah fuck it, keep posting links to your theory of choice instead of actually doing anything.

  • http://www.phillies2008.org Jake Porter

    Stephen V,

    Again, I don’t know of any Libertarian or LP candidate who is against opening up the vast amount of classified government information surrounding the actual events of 9/11.

    I think that is the best way for candidates to deal with the issue as it would be political suicide for a third party candidate to say the government was behind 9/11.

  • http://www.LPWI.org Rolf Lindgren

    I always find it humorous when libertarians apply logical analysis to humorous items, but treat the humorous item as non-humorous.

  • Andy

    Penn & Teller along with the government are the ones that are full of BS here. How about this? Have a public debate between the top people in the 9/11 Truth Movement vs. the government and/or those who support the official government story. Put the debate on national television.

  • Stephen VanDyke

    Andy: Give me a break, do you think for one minute that the conspiracy crowd would ever believe a word of the government in a debate? Hell, I’ve been watching the public debate since 9/11 and I don’t see anything being accomplished by anyone who gets themselves wrapped into that tar-baby.

    I have a conspiracy for you nitwits… the government intentionally gives just enough sparse evidence on 9/11 and sets up conspiracy sites in order to sucker fools into wasting your time “debating” while they openly fleece them on thousands of other issues. Oh wait… the latter part of that is actually true.

    Your only goal should be to put people in power who will bring back transparency to the government, anything less and I’m afraid you are on a dead-end quixotic mission.

  • http://hammeroftruth.com/about/ Rick Rajter

    Timothy,

    That’s fine. But if you tell someone to FUCK OFF when you don’t want social security, and they tell you to FUCK OFF because they want it… you end up in a shouting match where volume wins.

    And um, there are more of them than us at the moment. Good luck!

  • http://hammeroftruth.com/about/ Rick Rajter

    quote
    Nah fuck it, keep posting links to your theory of choice instead of actually doing anything.
    /quote

    Nah fuck it, lets keep dreaming we’ll actually get a SINGLE CONGRESSMAN in power to actually let us open up this information.

    Face it, even Ron Paul wouldn’t stick his neck out for us, even if he believed we were right!

    But your right, the LP has a stunning 30 year track record that I should put all my faith and effort into.

    Ironically, I am… by holding their feet to the fire in what is an obvious lie, provable through at the CSI-goodness that most Americans can’t get enough of.

    Nah fuck it

  • http://hammeroftruth.com/about/ Rick Rajter

    btw, the 9/11 movement has brought a ton of people to realize that the whole republican/democrat paradigm is full of shit. If anything, they are looking for the government transparency, accountability, and elimination of government intrusiveness that the LP is looking for.

    Frankly, it was studying Badnarik’s constitution class vids and seeing him mention and explaining how FDR got us into pearl harbor by letting it happened that got me hooked onto all of this in the first place.

  • Jake Porter

    The government is accountable to the people. The people should always question their government and to not do so in my opinion is unpatriotic.

  • nameless

    you folks that are complaining the Penn doesn’t provide any evidence and presents a half-ass case….

    you’re the folks he’s making fun of. You’ve just been tagged. Get over it. Like Tim West said, he’s a COMIC. His job is to entertain and get a rise out of you.

    Guess it worked.

    God I love free speach! I hope we can keep it!

  • http://vestigialconscience.com/ Seethis Pass

    I would think Penn was honest. Here he is in the most dishonest hatchet job I have ever witnessed..
    I’m so sorry to see this but I’m sharing it because it is representative of the lengths such attacks have to go to in order to promote the 9/11 attack as being an attack by Arabs.
    http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/05/12/penn-jillette-on-911-conspiracy-theories/

    Penn can spew better than anyone I have ever heard.

    Shame on you Penn.
    You could never last in an honest debate based on the facts.
    You must rely on two second snippets that tend to show people in their worst light and would have no explanation for the fact that the ‘terrorists’ ( patsies) could somehow out fly our best airline pilots.
    Consider for a moment taking an extremely un-agile airliner, putting it into a diving spiral and hitting a target perfectly at an altitude of ONE FOOT. That took computer guidance
    It just ain’t so Penn.

  • http://www.boortz.com Billy Bob

    This Jillette fellow is completely right. The official government story is 100% accurate and truthful. It could be no other way because our rulers love us, will do anything to protect us and would never, ever lie to us.

  • http://www.eatcleansoap.com Alan

    For those “Loose Change” believers, you CAN in fact get a cell phone signal while flying 10,000 feet above the earth. It’s against federal law to talk on a phone while a plane is flying, so I’ll just leave it at that.

    My difficulty with all of these conspiracy theories is that it suggests that there is not ONE honest person in our government. The Clinton administration probably would have been involved to pull something off like this. Remember that 24 is a fictional T.V. show. It isn’t reality.

  • Michael Hampton

    Honest people tend not to last long in government service work bureaucracy. They generally find themselves driven out by whatever means necessary. But not before they’ve blown the whistle on whatever wrongdoing they observed while in the bureaucracy.

    My problem with all of the conspiracy theories is that they suppose that everyone with any knowledge of such a conspiracy is too dishonest, too afraid, or too dead to come forward and blow the whistle on it. Experience has shown this is not true, even for tightly controlled operations; someone will crack, and soon afterward.

    As for using a cell phone in an airplane, it’s possible even at the typical 30,000 foot cruising altitude. If you keep the call short, it might not even be handed off between towers. The problem is, for the most part, only the legacy analog signals are going to work very well up there, as far as I know. So some people’s phones will work, and others won’t.

  • Richard Murphy

    I would like to say to anyone who could ever believe that our own goverment(ridicules though it may be)could ever plan and execute such a thing without it leaking to the press!Don’t you think that it maybe that what happened on 9/11 was as much a suprise to Ossama as it was to us? He even said so to one of his people that he didn’t think the towers would collapse. He only expected fire smoke and death and wound up with a two’fer one! So to the conspiricy wags if I were you I’d be real careful when and were I open my mouth.

  • Leroy

    I’m with you Mike Nelson. I no longer have respect for Penn Jillette after seeing this. He calls himself a libertarian but on this issue, he sounds like a pro-establishment conservative who says that we are showing disrespect to the people who died at 9/11 by questioning the government’s story. Huh? I always thought his brand of humor was quite lame anyway.

  • CO

    Two words: Building Seven.

  • http://911foreknowledge.com Ray Ubinger

    Richard Murphy writes:

    > I would like to say to anyone who could ever believe that our own goverment(ridicules though it may be)could ever plan and execute such a thing without it leaking to the press!

    The press was IN ON IT. The press broadcast a CARTOON that vanished completely into the tower (without anything breaking on impact), and the press CALLED the cartoon a PLANE.
    http://911hoax.com

    Ray Ubinger
    http://911foreknowledge.com
    Naudet Brothers: Accessories to Mass Murder

  • Michael Hampton

    Now how the hell am I supposed to take a ridiculous and untrue claim like this seriously: “Aluminum planes can’t enter steel buildings”?

  • http://thewebfairy.com/911/ghostplane/vanishment Rosalee Grable

    http://thewebfairy.com/911/ghostplane/vanishment

    Aluminum can’t melt into steel like a marshmallow in hot chocolate.
    Real Planes don’t vanish like Casper the Friendly Ghost.
    The audio to the ghostplane footage
    http://thewebfairy.com/911/ghostplane/ghostplaneaudio.mp3
    doesn’t mention any plane. It’s speaking of explosions.
    This is a cartoon who’s wing disappears prematurely because it reflected the same color as the bluescreened background, and was removed when the planeless footage was blended with the “plane.”
    It was a media hoax
    http://911closeup.com/nico
    and Penn and Teller are just more media.

  • http://www.lemoncalamity.blogspot.com Henry Willard

    The ghostplane conspiracy is complete BS Rosalee.

    My father’s best friend worked for the Port Authority and saw the 2nd plane hit with his own two eyes.

    767′s aren’t made entirely of aluminum. There’s lots of carbon steel and titanium in there too.

    Something with that kind of mass flying into a steel building at high speed will easily plow into it.

    I do think there are major problems with the official story of the collapse. How can 10 minutes of burning jet fuel melt through tons of reinforced high-grade steel?

    It doesn’t make sense — the NIST admitted that the steel used in WTC passed tests to not melt below temperatures of 3000 degrees, which is much higher than what jet fuel burns at.

    And the official story on WTC 7′s collapse is real flaky, especially when one takes into account that this 47-story steel skyscraper fell in 6 seconds flat. The only way that’s conceivable is if a vacuum was created during the collapse — and only explosives do that.

  • Michael Hampton

    All right, for the last time, some facts.

    The WTC buildings were not solid steel. They were about 95% solid air surrounded by very thin tubes of steel, with larger steel columns deep within the building.

    Even a ghost plane can penetrate solid air.

    As for the steel melting, it didn’t. It didn’t have to. At the temperatures the fires in WTC 1 and 2 DID reach, steel exposed to those temperatures expands greatly and is reduced to about 10-20% of its former strength.

    Unlike most skyscraper fires, where there is no jet fuel to cause a much wider than normal temperature differential between hotter and cooler sections of the fire, the WTC fire, caused as it was by jet fuel, led inevitably to the buildings’ collapse. It was simply not possible for them to stand.

    Disagree if you want, but those are facts.

    I am still reserving opinion on WTC 7 until more facts become available.

  • http://www.lemoncalamity.blogspot.com Henry Willard

    At appx. 1800 degrees fahrenheit, steel does not weaken to 10% integrity. Plain old iron only begins to weaken around 1500.

    If an engineer has claimed that, I’d like to see physical support.

    The type of steel that was used for fabrication in the Twin Towers was tested vigorously and passed thermo-stress tests with flying colors.

    The 2nd plane to hit WTC did not even touch the meter-thick triple core or the concrete covered steel trusses that supported it.

    It damaged the corner of the Tower. So why would the core, which is burried 70 feet deep into the concrete reinforced “bathtub”, collapse? It was specifically developed not to fall, ensuring that the entire building would not crumble. The pancake theorists never touch on that issue.

    What about the NYC firefighters willing to testify about finding Thermite on the central support columns, then subsequently getting hit with gag orders?

    What is their motive to lie, when they owe the truth to their fallen friends?

  • Rick Rajter

    Michael H,

    Oh? so this isn’t liquid metal?
    http://www.checktheevidence.com/911/Thermite.htm

    Even the FEMA report acknowledges witnesses regarding this.

  • Lego

    I hate the way everyone is criticizing penn for not presenting “the other side of the issue.” Hello, what the fuck does “loose change” do, the same exact fucking thing. Endless head nodding fodder.

  • AC

    Penn,

    Gosh you are such a great entertainer. So funny. If only you weren’t such a fat ugly FUCK maybe I’d laugh more at this funny video you made. Editing’s just like magic, isn’t it?

  • http://www.dimland.com JF

    The internet is a wonderful thing. But one of its biggest problems is demonstrated by the 57 previous responses. The internet has given even more room to people who just can’t think that the explanation given is correct. There must be something deeper, more sinister.

    What could be more sinister than 19 Western hating, freedom hating, death loving, religious fanatics conspiring with each other and their backers (financial and tactical) to attack the US?

    John Wilkes Booth didn’t kill Lincoln. FDR knew the Japanese were going to bomb Pearl Harbor. The CIA, no, the Mafia, no, the Soviets, no, the Cubans killed Kennedy. Nixon and Reagan had Stephen King kill John Lennon (Sound kooky? There’s a fellow out there who believes it!)

    Penn & Teller are correct. Listen carefully to any conspiracy theory; you will notice that the theorist has to really do a lot of twisting in order to cover the gaps. “What happened to the passengers?” “They were in on it too.” Oh, really?

  • rms

    So on THIS issue (questioning the official account of 911) being “skeptical” means NOT questioning. Gotcha.

    Mr. Gillette has lost my respect.

  • BLaZeMoNgEr

    If I had a penny for every conspiracy theory I would be the richest person alive. And every one of these conspiracy theorists are whackos who have nothing better to do with their time. And I bet you that they are probably laughing their way to the bank.

  • Ray

    So, this whole tape that was captured, sitting with other Al Qaeda conspirators, talking about the whole plan – that was a hoax too?

  • Ray

    Excuse me, that was “Bin Ladan sitting with other Al Qaeda conspirators” in the post above.

  • Michael Hampton

    Oh yeah, total hoax. They photoshopped UBL in there. It was originally Dick Cheney sitting with other Al Qaeda conspirators!!!!!

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  • Sara

    THANK-YOU!!!!

    I’m SO sick of people making of fairy-tales about 9/11!

  • Jason

    Building 7. Two planes three towers…. come on people, really? I know there are LOTS of crazy stories running around (probably confusing more than anything else) but this is the smoking gun, if you venture down this path don’t be scared of what you find. The truth is held with building 7, don’t look away.