Minority Outreach and the Libertarian Party

I was born in Alabama in the middle of the civil rights struggle. The impact of the injustice of that era was probably the first real political awareness of mine — and my desire for equal justice under the law has not changed since then.

Right now, we are working on a ballot access drive in Alabama. When all is said and done, this drive will have illustrated once again that black people are considerably more likely than white people to sign our petition.

When I’m working city council races in Birmingham, black people are generally more receptive to door-to-door canvassing. They are generally more willing to speak with poll workers passing out push cards on Election Day.

Perhaps Alabama is an anomaly because so much of the history of the civil rights movement happened on our streets, but I don’t believe this to be the case. I’ve directly seen (or studied) similar responses in DC, Detroit, Watts and Compton, Chicago and Atlanta. My theory is that many black people are understandably protecting their recently won rights of equal representation at the polling place. Additionally, many black people with whom I speak don’t feel that most black political leaders represent their political interests.

It is my opinion that the Libertarian Party has not placed enough emphasis on minority outreach. Part of this is because (IMO) a lot of black leaders have co-opted the civil rights movement into one which pads their wallets or gives their egos some laurels to rest upon. Libertarians universally accept the “one man, one vote” concept, but are naturally skeptical about any movement which calls for black people to have any decided advantage in the polling place.

The other side of the coin presents that while many laws state that “all pigs are equal”, there are many areas in real life where the white ones are more equal than the others. Issues such as the impact of the War on Drugs, racial profiling and the disproportionate rate of minorities to caucasians in our prison systems serve as examples. Most libertarians, especially of the constitutionalist variety, believe that no majority should be able to impose its will on the minority.

A great deal of the black people I know either own or have an immediate family member running a small business. It is my belief that many black people have a stronger natural or environmental predisposition towards libertarianism than their white counterparts. However, I’ve looked at many libertarian crowds around the country and I’m often disappointed about the minority turnout at these events.

With such a large and friendly block of voters, candidates, volunteers and contributors out there, why isn’t the libertarian movement and the Libertarian Party attracting a greater number of minority participants? Part of the reason may be that many libertarians are so color-blind that they don’t even see race as an factor when dealing with others. Another reason seems to be that libertarians tend to prefer a safe and comfortable libertarian crowd, as opposed to becoming involved in outreach efforts with non-libertarians. Loretta Nall seems to be a recent exception to this rule, but she’s been criticized for speaking at events organized by racial minority political groups.

I certainly don’t claim to know all of the solutions to this problem, but I would like to start the dialogue about how to effectively reach out to our allies in the black community.

posted by Stephen Gordon
  • undercover_anarchist

    Very thoughtful entry…

    This is an important issue to me. I’m often embarassed to identify myself as a “libertarian” because to many, there are racist undertones to the word. Why? Because libertarians often fraternize with the white right. What’s more, the LP will NEVER attract a strong black following so long as it advocate secession, the repeal of the Civil Rights Act, etc., and so long as its candidates act as if Affirmative Action is a greater injustice than slavery and the holocaust put together.

    I’ve said this a few times but it is worth repeating: I attended my state’s convention a few weeks ago and walked out after a few hours. The crowd of 99% men, 99.9% whites, were so fixated on affirmative action that it made me feel really ugly inside. The U.S. Senate candidate makes the University of Michigan’s “racial preference” his #1 priority. (#2 is the state’s taxes on businesses, again, showing his idiocy in making state issues prime in his fed campaign)…

  • undercover_anarchist

    …worst of all was that there was ONE black person in attendance. So the LP practiced a perverse form of affirmative action itself by making this race traitor its candidate for governor–a figurehead for a bogus “civil rights amendment” that would ban affirmative action (the ballot initiative was sponsored by avowed white supremacist groups which the LP has no problems getting in bed with). This guy was the only candidate–of more than 20–not dressed in a business suit, and his acceptance speech was inarticulate and brief. His lt. governor running mate did all of the talking. It was sick.

    So this is my LP’s attempt at minority outreach. Align with avowedly racist groups and put an inordinate focus on something small and signficiant that only potentially affects white males (woe is me!), but nominate a clearly unqualified black man as governor while having his running mate do all the talking.

    Perhaps with Mr. Gorond’s new position, things may begin to change at the national level.

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  • Stephen Gordon

    UA,

    I’ve never been afraid to strongly and immediately distance from racist LP connections. Recent links: 1, 2, 3.

  • ianbernard

    Hands down, blacks are most open and responsive to our message. This observation is from doing years worth of Operation Politically Homeless outreach.

    Also, after years of doing tax day protests, black women are by far the most likely to “Honk if you hate taxes”.

    Even many blacks with a big government paradigm EASILY shift over to our side, once the ideas are explained. There’s no shock, no questioning. They just get it.

    Perhaps being repressed so much by the system makes them that much more open to our ideas.

  • ianbernard

    My favorite example was a black lady who felt so strongly about the “Honk if you hate taxes” sign, as she drove by she yelled “Honk honk! My horn’s broken!!”

    :)

  • http://www.chrisbennettfromillinois.blogspot.com Chris Bennett

    Since it has been me who has been pushing for outreach, I better get the ball rolling. Obviously there are others here who feel the same way I do. I am going to start a group this week that will start the process of recruiting minorities into the movement if not the party. This is well overdue. I am sick of being the only black person to show up at my state convention-and Illinois is not a small state. If you are interested e-mail me at blacknight_80751@yahoo.com My goal is to recruit a member of a minority into the movement a week.

  • Stuart Richards

    This is a very important area. The blacks are sick of the Democratic Party taking them for granted, but that doesn’t suddenly make the Republicans any more attractive.

    Yeah, affirmative action isn’t really libertarian. But there’s far worse things done in the name of racism-mainly the prison situation.

    We need to rally the blacks, the Hispanics, and the Native Americans, help them truly take their freedom back. They’ve been fucked by the system for so long that they’re the natural allies of liberty.

  • Devious David

    That’s an aggressive goal, Chris. Good luck!

    It seems to me that blacks are very willing to listen and even learn, but much like conservatives, they will continue to throw themselves under the bus for the party they always vote for.

    I just don’t see anything changing here, which is a shame because blacks have, as a group, the most to gain from libertarian solutions than any whites do.

  • undercover_anarchist

    Mr. Gordon: I understand that (“I’ve never been afraid to strongly and immediately distance from racist LP connections”) which is just one of the reasons that I am very happy that you’ve earned a prominent position within the party.

  • Andy

    When I was petitioning in Chicago to put the Libertarian Party on the ballot in Illinois in 2004 I got the best responses from black people and from young punks (mostly white, age 18-20s, many rode skateboards and had tatoos body piercings). The white yuppies in Chicago were the worst for signing petitions.

  • nameless

    this is good stuff!

    my interest in the LP has been waning over the last year, but this thread, and the news of your new position has really put some positive vibes out there.

  • KenH

    I think that the LP speaking up about the “war” on drugs could be a great method of into reaching out to minority groups for their support of limited government. The facts are on the side of libertarianism, not authoritarianism.

  • Timothy West

    I’ve been feeling bad lately and not doing the vids I should be doing as a result. This would be a good subject for my new widescreen camcorder. :)

  • http://www.LPWI.org Rolf Lindgren

    The LP Platform as it stands now, does not reach out to minority voters.

    The part about the War on Drugs could mention the racial disparity in drug arrests, for example.

    A platform change in that regard, could gain national attention, in my opinion.

  • http://www.roblatham.org Rob Latham

    Amen to your observations, Stephen. When Charlie Moquin and I came to Alabama in 2004 to petition for Michael Badnarik, we discovered that Blacks were far more likely to sign our petition than Whites.

    Because we were paid by the signature, this caused us to engage in our own voluntary form of affirmative action when we were in a crowd and had to make a choice between approaching a group of Blacks or a group of Whites.

    That said, I recall some great people from all races signing the petition, including a lovely former Miss Alabama. ;-)

  • http://thatsridonkulous.blogspot.com/ Rob D.

    I think you all might enjoy this vid I came across at the FTL forums…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GSINQK3Y28

    Very talented kid if he did the video editing as well.

    Here’s the original thread:
    http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=6799.0

    We definitely need to reach out more to minorities. Liberty and justice, FOR ALL.

  • TerryC

    Well SHAZAM! What a bolt out of the blue.
    As if Loretta hadn’t already been building this avenue for years in a very genuine and meaningful way.
    While you are busy analyzing the reality she has created…

  • http://ncway.blogspot.com/ Sean Haugh

    My forays into the black political community have been overwhelmingly positive.

    Our local LP was strong in protesting a case of drug raid brutality against two elderly folks a few years back, which made us partners with the local NAACP. So few whites of any political persuasion actually cross racial lines when it comes time to show up that when we do we are heroes, big time.

    Black churches are generally very open to political speakers and far more conservative than you might think. Another place where not being afraid to show up scores big.

    My easiest petitioning is at my home precinct, about half older blacks and half Duke freshmen. Both groups rememeber being denied the vote like it was yesterday and are eager to do anything that has to do with voting.

    Black legislators are very open to ballot access lobbying because in the back of their minds many of them dream of a black 3rd party.

    And everybody understands taxes.

  • Stephen Gordon

    Rob, that’s great. I’m reposting it.

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  • Tamara Millay

    I must confess here that I have twice in my bids for US Congress in Missouri’s 1st District not followed up on my belief that I should reach out to the black constituency re: the drug war. Frankly, it wouldn’t have made a difference in the race, with the Clay dynasty presiding (Lacey is actually not a bad CongressCritter), but it’s a natural place and issue for libertarian outreach. When I was running for US Senate in ’98 blacks were first starting to express major dissatisfaction with the Dem Party here in Missouri, and they still feel the same way. What we need, I think, are introductions, ways to get in front of groups of people to speak. I would have loved the opportunity but didn’t know how to make it happen.

    If Chris and the group he’s coalescing can begin to make some connections for us, I think that getting libertarians in front of groups (even small gatherings in people’s homes) will definitely result in more voters and some activists. Go, Chris, and tell me how to help!

  • http://rightwatch.tblog.com Right Watch

    True, very true. One problem is that libertarians are more interested in reaching the Right at gun shows and the like. Second, we need to be more forceful in rejecting racists and bigots like that those at Mises Institute (pity poor Mises who deserves better). When you have racists and bigots like Hoppe running around, or Rockwell who endorsed the Rodney King beating, we are set back a hundred years. We should have no cooperation with, or support for bigots no matter how libertarian they sound on other issues.

  • undercover_anarchist

    Right Watch, I think you’re my brother from another mother.

  • Adamson

    Frankly, the LP needs to do better at reaching out to all minorities. Even women. Every LP grouping I’ve been involved in consisted of 98% straight white men.

  • Michael H. Wilson

    In another post I mentioned that transportation issues were important to a number of different demographic groups especially blacks. here is a quote from a federal gov. study on transportation “Nearly 40% of central city black African-American households were without access to an automobile, compared to fewer that one out of five white central city households“. This is an issue i try to bring up with people when the oportunity is available and might be a wedge issue to use with the black community.
    Also it is worth noting that the sociologist William Julius Wilson in his book “When work disappears” noted the lack of transportation is a major problem for inner city African-Americans.
    BTW there was an article in the NYT about a year ago that noted that young black people were often inclined to refer to themselves as “libertarian”. Wish I had saved it.
    M.W.

  • Devious David

    A former business partner of mine was a black libertarian. They are hard to find. I’m very interested in Chris’s project. All us whities can do right now is make things accessible to them and support efforts such as that which Chris is involved in. It just seems that it will take blacks pushing it, working it to give such a movement any credibility. Please keep us posted, Chris and don’t be afraid to do the Libertarian Beg for Money (LBM).

  • http://www.sundwall4congress.org Eric Sundwall

    Given the current brouha over immigration wouldn’t it be equally productive to court Hispanic voters ? Libertarians are consisently in favor of ‘open’ immigration ( to a larger degree than not . . )and that issue has resonance in that demographic. Isn’t the current estimate that the Hispanic population will approach %45 by 2030 or something ?

    Former LPNY chairman John Clifton, is African American. He is one of the most articulate and peaceful Libertarians I have had the pleasure to meet. His guidance brought the Weld nomination to y’all.

  • Michael H. Wilson

    Dick Bodie, as many of you know, is a well respected African-American in the LP. His cousin is a newsman with a local station in Portland, OR and when I was in Portland we had a couple of well known African-Americans come to speak at our meetings. As Chair of the county party at the time I also made sure that our news releases on our meetings went out to all minority papers, Asian, African-American, Latino, etc. While I am across the river in Vancouver, WA we still may have a contact, or two with the minority papers in the Portland area. It might be possible to arrange an interview, or two with someone from the minority press when the national convention is in town.
    Also I made sure we placed LP literature in all the county libraries and specifically the one, or two in minority neighborhoods. We need to make sure we attend local events such as June Teenth celebrations.
    The same issues that confront whites are, for the most part, the same ones minorities have to deal with.
    M.W.

  • Lenny Zimmermann

    I also see a strong, very vocal crowd in the LP who very, very strongly associate themselves with the Republican Party and general Conservative movement. A movement that has long alienated minority voters. One thing I have noticed with the reform movement, though, is that we are beginning to see a bit of a backlash to that with more left-leaning libertarianism starting to come out. Meaning, well it may mean several differnt things, but to me meaning folks who view personal/civil liberties as being a strong focus for us. That free people will make for free markets, as opposed to the other way around, and who distrust corporations as much as the government, and are quite vocally against corporate “welfare” as much, if not more, than personal welfare. (They’re still libertarians, though, so personal=bad too, mind you.)

    I think this general movement is in the kind of direction that will begin to appeal to minority voters far more than one that appeals to the members of a boardroom.

  • Dave Tartaglia

    Amen. One thing the LP really needs is some outreach literature in Spanish…

  • David Tomlin

    Lenny Zimmermann: ‘I also see a strong, very vocal crowd in the LP who very, very strongly associate themselves with the Republican Party and general Conservative movement.’

    Would you share a few names? Who are the leading lights of this ‘crowd’?

  • undercover_anarchist

    Mr. Tomlin: You must be kidding, right? A good 90% or more of LP canddidates present themselves as “more conservative than the GOP–we REALLY hate taxes!” Leaders? How about just about everybody? Just look at last year’s three presidential finalists. You have former Republican Gary Nolan. You have former Republican and CP/IAP friend Aaron Russo. And you have Badnarik, who is far more conservative than BOTH of them. The LP presents itself as the true small government alternative to the GOP, which has lost its way. I mean, you have the Ron Paul idolatry that knows no end… Neal Boortz, for god’s sake!

    And again, I will refer to Leonard Schwartz, my state’s candidate for US Senator. Top three issues: 1) “Racial preference” at the University of Michigan 2) the state of Michigan’s taxes and fees, 3) Gun control helps women kill violent attackers. This is not only a joke of a campaign, but issues that my neo-nazi (aka Republican) father in law would embrace…

  • undercover_anarchist

    …a real, legitimate US Senate campaign would have issues more like 1) 100% pro immigration, 2) 100% anti-war, pro-Bush impeachment, and 3) “I’m pro choice on everything”–who you love, what you do with your body, what you consume, where you send your kids to school, how you choose to defend yourself, what god you choose to worship (or none at all), etc. THAT is a libertarian message. That is a message that sets us apart from the D’s and R’s.

  • Devious David

    On a national basis, kissing Republican ass will get us nowhere. If it isn’t proven beyond a remote doubt by now, your head is in the sand. Never underestimate the stupidity and stubborness of a conservative. We need to move left to the center, and even maybe even center with a leftward bias. Populist libertarianism is the way. This Republicans-are-our-friends strategy is a proven lose over and over and over. Why help these brownshirts or even be associated with them!

  • Michael H. Wilson

    A couple of years back there was an LP state party executive director who said and I paraphrase ” The LP didn’t run candidates in a couple of race because the the Republican candidates were acceptable to us”. This is and has been an ongoing problem in the party and will continue until we clearly differentiate ourselves from the mercantilist party known as the GOP.
    M.H.W.

  • David Tomlin

    undercover_anarchist: ‘You must be kidding, right?’

    No. I’m not well informed on such matters, which is why I asked a question.

    u_a: ‘You have former Republican Gary Nolan. You have former Republican and CP/IAP friend Aaron Russo.’

    The question was about people who ‘very, very strongly associate themselves with the Republican Party and general Conservative movement.’ I wouldn’t infer that from anyone’s ‘former’ associations.

    What about people who join the LP after leaving the Democratic Party? Would it be fair to assume that they ‘very, very strongly associate themselves with the [Democratic] Party and general [Liberal] movement’? Or do you believe that the Republican Party differs from its principal rival by exuding a unique miasma that taints its members for life?

    Russo expressed far-left views on environmental issues in the 2004 LP presidential debate.

  • David Tomlin

    undercover_anarchist: ‘And you have Badnarik, who is far more conservative than BOTH of them.’

    It’s been my impression that Nolan was the most conservative of the three.

    u_a: ‘I mean, you have the Ron Paul idolatry that knows no end . . .’

    I’m an admirer of Ron Paul. I don’t see anything wrong with a libertarian getting elected to Congress as a Republican or a Democrat, if that’s what works. I’m not an expert on Paul’s voting record, but my impression is that it’s been _very_ libertarian.

    Here’s an excellent column by Ron Paul opposing the gay marriage amendment.

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul160.html

    u_a: ‘Neal Boortz, for god’s sake!’

    Boortz is a liar and an all-around asshole. I must admit I don’t much care with whom or how strongly he associates.

  • David Tomlin

    undercover_anarchist: ‘And again, I will refer to Leonard Schwartz, my state’s candidate for US Senator. Top three issues: 1) “Racial preference” at the University of Michigan 2) the state of Michigan’s taxes and fees, 3) Gun control helps women kill violent attackers.’

    I looked up his website, and found opposition to asset forfeiture also featured prominently.

    http://www.leonardschwartz.us/index.html

  • http://360.yahoo.com/pong_god Robert Mayer

    Tomlin, I’m with you. I absolutely don’t see how it’s fair to imply that Ron Paul, Aaron Russo, and Michael Badnarik are not legitimately libertarian. And the charge that Lew Rockwell and others affiliated with the Mises Institute are racists? Preposterous! I’ve read countless writings of theirs over the past 4-5 years and have NEVER encountered anything there that could fairly be labeled racist. I suspect that their support of the South’s right to secede during the War Between the States has confused some to wrongly associate them with actual racists who support the same, but for different reasons. As for the Rodney King issue, I haven’t seen said article, but I strongly suspect a similar misunderstanding.

    Stephen G. is from Alabama and knows these folks quite personally, I believe. I’d like to hear his comments on these accusations.

  • David Tomlin

    Robert Mayer: ‘As for the Rodney King issue, I haven’t seen said article, but I strongly suspect a similar misunderstanding.’

    http://www.tomgpalmer.com/archives/018731.php

    Scroll or search for

    IT’S SAFE STREETS VERSUS URBAN TERROR

    The site is hostile to Rockwell, but one of Rockwell’s partisans responded and didn’t dispute the accuracy of the article.

    http://tinylink.com/?BWGU0glWab

    I wouldn’t ostracize Rockwell over it, but I do think the article itself is abominable and well worthy of condemnation.

    I recall reading a similar celebration of ‘street justice’ years before the internet. I think it was in a conservative magazine, though I can’t swear it wasn’t a libertarian one.

  • undercover_anarchist

    Hold on, I’m being misunderstood and I admit, it’s my fault.

    I did not mean to imply that Badnarik, Russo, or Nolan weren’t “libertarian.”

    I meant that they have more conservative leanings. They come from more conservative backgrounds. They come (with the possible exception of Badnarik) Republican backgrounds.

    Hence, the popular association between the GOP and LP.

    That doesn’t mean that these guys are bad or shouldn’t be supported. The question, at the time, was “why do people associate the LP with the GOP?” The answer is pretty obvious.

  • undercover_anarchist

    Ron Paul is a border socialist and ovarian marxist. He is anti-gay, despite his opposition to the constitutional amendment cited above. He’s a member of the racist John Birch Society and no hero of mine.

  • http://rightwatch.tblog.com Right Watch

    If you want to read some of the documentation about the Rockwellians go to rightwatch@tblog.com. The column by Rockwell endorsing police beating appeared in the LA Time and libertarians at the time were furious especially since he said he was taking the position “as a libertarian” (he’s much more a conservative than a libertarian and always has been). Rockwell praised police beatings in the back of the paddywagon as a good measure to keep criminals under control — apparently thinking only “guilty” people get arrested and that there are no victimless crimes. And people don’t confuse things over secession but over their publishing white supremacists and working with them.

  • http://www.chrisbennettfromillinois.blogspot.com Chris Bennett

    For discussion and ideas to libertarians for outreach to minority groups please sign up at:
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LibertarianMinorityOutreach

    We can make a difference!

  • TerryP

    I am getting so sick and tired of people like DD and UA ripping into other libertarians who might be more conservative than them (ie there issues are more economic than personal). They never badmouth a libertarian with left leanings. Where were they when Maryland libertarains elects someone who could be considered a socialist as their candidate for I believe the Senate who definetly wanted bigger gov’t. They were praising that but at the same time badmouthing the NY libertarians for electing Bill Weld. We are certainly going to be a tiny party if we continue to try and get rid of one-half of our party. We need to include people from both sides of the fence that want smaller gov’t, not just left leaning or right leaning, but people who want smaller gov’t both financially and personally. It seems like some people in this party just want a left leaning party (ie DD and UA) and others want just a right leaning party. I want both. I want personal as well as economic freedom.

  • http://www.JamesBabb.com James Babb

    What about the minority outreach? Is it really that different than “majority outreach” ?

    In Pennsylvania, in 2004, a big chunk of our 44K signatures were collected in Philly. It’s safe to say that the support from the black community put Michael Badnarik and our statewide candidates on the ballot in Pennsylvania. No problem there.

    Sadly though, despite openly corrupt incumbents, we have few Philly candidates. High earners usually flee the high city wage tax. The schools are the worst, the drug war has imprisoned countless thousands and gun ownership is constantly under attack. Philly desperately needs some libs in office for all the reasons that make libs leave the city.

    Who has successful urban outreach? What about hip-hop celebrity endorsements? Somebody call Snoop Dog.

  • undercover_anarchist

    TerryP: I want economic and personal liberty, too. The thing is that those who want to infringe on economic freedoms to benefit the less fortunate are misguided, while those who want to control my rectum, ovaries, mind or voicebox are truly EVIL. There is a big distinction.

    And yes, the thread is about minority outreach. Since most minorities identify with the more “left” of the two major parties, it is appropriate to appeal to those more “left” issues if the goal is truly to grow the party in that regard.

    It isn’t about abandoning the economic issues. It is about the way in which ALL issues are presented. Welfare queens are not the devil and white males are not “oppressed” by affirmative action. So long as LP icons act as if these are truths, there will never be significant growth or minority outreach. These are not appealing issues to the youth, either. We already have all of the 40-something angry white males we’re ever going to get.

  • undercover_anarchist

    And for the record, TerryP, I was under the assumption that DD was considerably more “conservative” than me. He argued vehemently against my position that the Civil Rights Act is legitimate. Another position (that it’s not) that will forever render the LP irrelavent in the eyes of 99.9% of Black Americans.

  • David Tomlin

    A statement by Ron Paul on immigration may be found here.

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul269.html

    Unlike, for example, George Phillies, Ron Paul does not support immigration control on the grounds that low-wage American workers deserve protection from foreign competition. He does support them on a number of other grounds, all of which I disagree with, but none of which I would call ‘socialist’.

  • undercover_anarchist

    Those are piss-poor arguments by Dr. Paul. You can’t use the existence of the welfare state as an argument for denying opportunity to human beings. Secondly, “amnesty” for a “crime” that never should have been a crime to begin with is not a bad thing.

    The question is: More or less government? Here, the border socialist right-wing theocrat hero Ron Paul advocates MORE government. Plain and simple. In addition, he makes racist thought-Nazi arguments about “cultural assimilation” through English, etc. Far more disgusting than anything I’ve ever personally heard Bill Maher say.

  • David Tomlin

    UA, is there a reason you expend so much verbiage on name-calling? Is it just to make you feel good, or do you think it accomplishes something?

  • undercover_anarchist

    Mostly it makes me feel good.

    My hyperbole aside, Ron Paul’s position on immigration cannot be defended.

    Paul is a champion of the CP, not the LP.

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  • http://360.yahoo.com/pong_god Robert Mayer

    UA, thanks for the clarification. We all should recognize that many, if not most, of us came to libertarianism from either the left or the right and tend to retain leanings toward those backgrounds. Thus, you probably place a higher priority on certain issues that appeal to the left while others, myself included, tend to focus more on issues that appeal to the right. But, I fully embrace the libertarian philosophy and find these differences among us to be inconsequential.

    That said, I still think you’re being a bit harsh on Ron Paul. As for the immigration and abortion issues, those are undoubtedly the two most contentious issues amongst libertarians – cogent arguments have been made on either side. But as I understand Dr. Paul’s stance on abortion, he personally abhors the practice, but has explicitly stated that he does NOT favor the federal government forbidding it.

  • http://rightwatch.tblog.comd Right Watch

    If the welfare state is a justification for stopping immigration as Ron Paul argues, then it is also a justification to forbid people from having children. I note that immigration was not a major issue of contention until groups from the Right started calling themselves libertarian and decided that other races had to be kept out. One of the main proponents of this view is himself an immigrant so he doesn’t practice what he preaches. But then he’s white and known to dislike non-whites.

  • TerryP

    Robert well said in your first paragraph on #52. If the left is anything like the left in our party how in the world did they get the idea that they are tolerant. they are the most intolerant people that blog here. They continously rant about people that don’t beleive in lockstep as they do. It might make them feel good but it certainly is not helpful in bulding the party. I can’t see much difference between them and the democrats. They continually want to blame conservatives about all the problems that go on in the world. It doesn’t matter if what they are proposing calls for smaller gov’t or more freedom, if it is from a conservative or former conservative it is bad.

    I have never been a conservative or a republican, but the issues that I am most passionate about are economic ones and because of that I am belittled by the left in this party. What gives? I don’t moan the fact that your passionate issues are more leftist in origin. I think it is good that we have a balance.

  • TerryP

    Back to the topic at hand: minority outreach. I think we definetly need to do this. For one it will give us a better persepective on life from another point of view. That is a good thing since we pretty much have a white male perspective. Anybody coming into this party, however, needs to realize that we are for smaller, limited gov’t in both the economic and personal lives of individual Americans and that will likely mean less money and services from the gov’t. Much of this will be made up in the private sector, charity organizations, local communities, and families. At the same time you will be getting less intrusion into your personal lives. If people understand and believe that we need to reach out to them and bring them into the fold of the party. Then we can do a better job of reaching out on issues that they are more passionate about, possibly issues that come more from the left such as drugs, civil rights, etc. without compromising our economic principles.

  • undercover_anarchist

    Mr. Mayer: I vehemently disagree with “pro-life” libertarians, although I grant them a basis for their opinion, and therefore, must begrudgingly respect it. However, there is simply no basis for being an anti-immigration libertarian. In order to be anti-immigration, more government is required. Violation of the non-initiation of force principal is required. Again, I need someone to explain how someome from Mexico coming to America is infringing on MY rights. It’s not.

    Rightwatch is 100% correct.

    And as for Dr. Paul’s position on abortion that it be left up to the states… Is this the old argument that predates the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments that the Constitution and Bill of Rights do not apply to the states but only to the federal government? Abortion is a human right. Someone who thinks its okay for states to infringe on human rights, just not the federal government, is a 19th century constitutionalist, not a libertarian. There’s a big difference.

  • http://UnCivilDefence.blogspot.com MRJarrell

    For a look at the Libertarian left, which has been around for quite some time try Brad Spangler:
    http://www.bradspangler.com/blog/

    or

    http://agorism.info/

    The MLL information at Agorism.info gives a good insight into the Movement of the Libertarian Left.

  • Devious David

    For the record, I did not endorse Zeese as was insisted in an earlier post. In fact, I beleive I posted on some of those related articles when they were current condemning the nomination.

  • http://www.phillies2008.com George Phillies

    Translation into Spanish

    In fact, my book Stand Up for Liberty has a translation into Spanish, which has been available at http://www.cmlc.org for some years now. Other people at the current libertyforamerica site have also had translations. See links at pvla.net and wmlp.org

    Having listened to a prolonged discussion as to how to translate ‘stand up’ I can assure your all that there is a lot of range for translation discretion.

  • Michael H. Wilson

    Be sure to read all the minority newspapers in your city regularly and watch for outdoor events that you can put up a booth. If the literature from nation is not acceptable writre your own. Keep it simple. 90 to 150 words is usually enough to get the word out. Schools, African_Americans favor vouchers by about 70%; transportation, serious missing service in inner city America; housing, way to expensive and Reason has an articel on too expensive housing in the most recent issue;
    occupational licensing laws were part of post-Civil War Black Codes and need to be ablolished. and we can go on with other issues.
    M.H.W.

  • http://www.lpinscr.blogspot.com Mark Rutherford

    The Libertarian Party of Indiana is participating today in the Muncie Black Expo parade. Read more about it at http://lpinscr.blogspot.com/2006/06/libertarians-participating-in-muncie.html.