Libertarians need to…

It seems every election cycle, we have a bunch of speculation about what exactly Libertarians need to do to get elected, but we keep falling short of that goal (notwithstanding my own views on the matter of why third parties get screwed). So, based on a search formula meme being thrown around (search phrase in Google, display lots of contrary results, laugh at stupidity of Internet), I present “libertarians need to …

  • Libertarians need to embrace regulation of commerce.
  • Libertarians need to reach out to the left.
  • Libertarians need to recognize America can have a vital interest in the freedom of other countries and people.
  • Libertarians need to push the fact that people have rights.
  • Libertarians need to be unafraid to announce themselves as libertarians.
  • Libertarians need to acknowledge the natural place of moralism in American life.
  • Libertarians need to pop some viagra, and take a chance on romance with the Dems.
  • Libertarians need to advocate some type of taxes in order to be relevant.
  • Libertarians need to listen to their hearts and answer to the concerns that liberals have expressed.
  • Libertarians need to find a young man who has public speaking skills equivalent to those of the major parties.
  • Libertarians need to be as sly as the lost who lead us.
  • Libertarians need to take a gamble and kick the Republicans in the teeth.
  • Libertarians need to stop attacking institutions like the World Bank that cross national boundaries.
  • Libertarians need to be asked some hard questions.
  • Libertarians need to reframe the “compassion debate.”
  • Libertarians need to be better educated in politics.
  • Libertarians need to get serious.
  • Libertarians need to promote the myth of a higher law.
  • Libertarians need to consider values, not just actions.
  • Libertarians need to “change their brand.”
  • Libertarians need to recognize that we are – and almost certainly always will be – political outcasts.
  • Libertarians need to take advantage of the broken state of the Democratic Party.
  • Libertarians need to get their heads out of their asses and become more Republican.
  • Libertarians need to win the intellectual debate.
  • Libertarians need to dial back the fringe element.
  • Libertarians need to throw as much sand as possible in the gears of the state.

Add your own one-liner in the comments.

posted by vforvandyke
  • Jack D

    It could also be done with other third parties too.
    (an award for the most capitalist friendly or small business friendly Green.
    (Im sure there are a very few)

    Which brings up another point. The LP has a golden opportunity it is not using.
    That is to criticize corporate welfare and be for separation of business and state.
    Most everyone hates state sponsored monopolies all across the political spectrum.
    Libertarians need to hammer away at corporate welfare in the Media thru op ed pieces!!! The free-market should be truly free. That means no company should be allowed to use the government to help it in any way or intervene in the economy. Thats fascism (big business in bed with big government creating an unfree and an thus unfair market)

  • Andy

    “GW was wrong about many other things, too, such as believing that his family’s slaves would be worse off if they were emancipated.”

    Weren’t George Washington’s slaves emancipated after his death at his prior request?

  • Timothy West

    I thought that was the case as well.

    and you cant apply 21st century hindsight to 18th century people. No doubt our great great great great grandchildren will laugh and sneer at us for our societial practices and declare how horrible it was that our lives were largely spent chasing money and material things and working for artifical constructs called corporations.

  • Lim

    Timothy West

    Who do you want to work for if not a corporation, the government?

  • http://www.ReformtheLp.org Nick Wilson

    Man, I wish I hadn’t vowed not to debate with you all until after the election. I really miss joining in the pointless bickering, the running in circles, the 4th grade caliber namecalling and the wasting of more energy fighting each other than trying to get our candidates elected. It would be a lot easier for me to handle if you all could agree to, at the very least, cut the crap too for a week and do something productive. This party is frickin doomed.

  • paulie

    Weren’t George Washington’s slaves emancipated after his death at his prior request?

    Lots of detalied info on this at radgeek.com. Some examples

    http://radgeek.com/gt/2006/03/21/the_humane

  • paulie

    Who do you want to work for if not a corporation, the government?

    Are those my only two possible options?

  • paulie

    Nick,

    We’ll welcome you back to the real world of nitpicking, debate and highly entertaining name-calling after you return from the bi-annual mass delusion that we’re going to make a big difference any time soon through the electoral process.

  • kcjerith

    Nick, you assume just because people have discussions in here that they are inactive in the LP movement. We can get into in here and still help people get elected, they are not mutally excusilve. For example, I taked a little smack on BS, but still was able to get some stuff done for the KU libertairans, who are trying to get shit done in kansas. I would not make broad judgements based on a few things written on some blogs

  • http://www.ReformTheLP.org Nick Wilson

    No, kcjerith, that’s not what I’m assuming at all. I’m only questioning why people think this is a productive use of their time. It’s a maddening circle we’re running in. Why the hell do we have to “talk smack” to one another. We’re all libertarians for crying out loud. No wonder we’re not “going to make a big difference any time soon through the electoral process.”

    The only reason why I’m not leaving the party right this very second is because that’s exactly what Mike Nelson wants me to do – as if I’ll run away crying because he’s resorted to calling me prepubescent putdowns after he ran out of productive things to say.

    I was going to stick around until 2008, but if Tim goes post-election, I’m going too. I’d rather spend the next two years working to rebuild the Reform Party as a moderate libertarian party or work on a new party than waste my time here bickering and going nowhere. The LP is mostly doomed because of its members’ inability to listen to anyone but themselves.

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  • http://freestateproject.org Seth Cohn

    Nick, there are plenty of us in your corner… most of us are spending our time productively, as you know… contact me offlist and you won’t have to spend your time bickering, there is lots to do after the election.

  • kcjerith

    Nick, I doubt the resaon we will or will not make a differnece in the electorate is because some people talk a little shit. No it is probably not the most effective use of time. However it is human nature to get a little pissy, and there will always be a little bit of smack talked (I am looking at you Mascot BS!).
    Besides, if someone says what I am discussing is “idiocy” and just dismisses me, I am going to talk a little shit. I also think that some of the smack talking is due to the frustation of belonging to a country (and a politcal party) in which the government screws us over on a regular basis. In a way if everyone was always 100% polite I would be concerned, people are passionate, and passoniate people sometimes lose there temper a little.

  • http://www.ReformTheLP.org Nick Wilson

    kcjerith,

    The problem is that when new recruits come to the LP, the first thing they hear is this sort of bickering and namecalling. The impression they get is that all libertarians hate each others’ guts because we always have to be more right than everyone else. That’s one of several reasons (perpetual losses being another) why most of them don’t stay very long. There’s easily 12 times the number of ex-LP members as there are current ones. Blaming the government for our failure is too easy of a scapegoat – we can’t do much to change the government until we change the way we approach politics, average people who might be future libertarians and each other.

    Instead, we sabotage ourselves politically (in so many ways), we scare away potential recruits who come to a new party for answers, and those of us who stay become the brunt of enough peoples’ hatred that either we harden to it or we get so fed up that we leave. Seriously, we have a lot of good brains – but zero common sense!

  • paulie

    The only reason why I’m not leaving the party right this very second is because that’s exactly what Mike Nelson wants me to do

    Doesn’t that mean that the bickering is in fact productive then, from your perspective? You’re actually claiming that it’s the only thing keeping you in the party and thus allowing you to do whatever else you do as a result.

  • disinter

    I was going to stick around until 2008, but if Tim goes post-election, I’m going too. I’d rather spend the next two years working to rebuild the Reform Party as a moderate libertarian party or work on a new party than waste my time here bickering and going nowhere.

    Please do leave. Tim, what can we do to encourage you to leave, taking your rag-tag retard circus with you?

    Go water-down the reform party, create a “moderate Libertarian oxymoron party, or join your ideological equivalents the rep/dem party.

    Stop threatening to leave, just leave already!

  • http://www.lpalabama.org/blog/14 paulie cannoli

    Please do leave. Tim, what can we do to encourage you to leave, taking your rag-tag retard circus with you?

    Nick says the only reason he’s staying is because you want him to leave. If you wanted him to stay, that might encourage him to leave.

    I don’t know if Tim’s motivations are in any way similar.

    I don’t think it matters that much who leaves and who stays.

    The socialist movement did not die when the Communists left the Socialist Party to start their own, and other socialists left to infiltrate the major parties.

    On the contrary, it became quite successful, to the point where not only have most of its policy proposals actually been enacted, but it is now “lunatic fringe” to be against them.

    With any luck the libertarian movement will be just as successful, even if we splinter into separate radical and moderate parties.

  • http://www.ReformTheLp.org Nick Wilson

    Mike,

    If you think the LRC ruined the LP, people like you saying exactly things like this for the past 30 years created the stimulus for it more than anything else. It’s also the reason why the LP will never, ever grow – there is no way we can even begin to attract moderate libertarians, much less the regular moderates needed to win elections, if the members call everyone who isn’t in the top corner of the Nolan Chart or anyone who believes that there is any valid function for government whatsoever socialists, Demopublicans, retards, et al.

    I never wanted to fight. It just makes me genuinely sad that someone is so intent on compromising everything he claims to value by burning bridges with most of his potential allies. You’re not alone, either. I see it often. I won’t be surprised 30 years down the road to find you even more embittered, stuck in the same loop. I won’t waste my life inherently compromising liberty, quixotically pretending the LP is actually shrinking government.

  • disinter

    It’s also the reason why the LP will never, ever grow

    Well then, leave already.

    there is no way we can even begin to attract moderate libertarians

    Then go create a moderate libertarian party. Better yet, there are already un-principled, moderate parties out there and they are call the Rep/Dem party. Join them.

  • paulie

    7 for 7.

    Another of my comments from earlier today disappeared.

  • paulie
  • Andrew

    state/local elections -> no-bullshit Libertarian party
    federal electons -> watered down foot-in-door libertarian-esq party

    …and behind the scenes the Auburn Austrians run the show! CFR style.

  • paulie

    ”¦and behind the scenes the Auburn Austrians run the show! CFR style.

    No, it’ll be the Tuscaloosa Hungarians.

    Or perhaps the Birmingham Czechs, or Montgomery Swiss.