Comments on: Guthrie Will Still Get Cold Shoulder from Media http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/ common sense, shoved up your... Fri, 10 May 2013 07:47:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: paulie cannoli http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/comment-page-1/#comment-1056867 paulie cannoli Fri, 20 Oct 2006 01:44:15 +0000 http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/10/04/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/#comment-1056867 Due to the simple fact that in the last century our ancestors have allowed our freedoms to gradually be stripped away.

In many ways we are actually more free now then before; in other ways less.

]]> By: WWII Propaganda Machine http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/comment-page-1/#comment-1056826 WWII Propaganda Machine Thu, 19 Oct 2006 23:09:49 +0000 http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/10/04/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/#comment-1056826 Due to the simple fact that in the last century our ancestors have allowed our freedoms to gradually be stripped away. Even worse they have allowed themselves to be influenced by the elite who wish to keep the populace ignorant.

Unfortunately it does not help that our culture is further dumbed down by our sports, entertainment, christian and redneck sub-cultures.

Christianity:
I am not against Christianity, I am however against it’s coercive spread. If I am interested I’ll come to you.

Redneck:
Sorry boys and girls… the real cowboys back in the 1800′s didn’t aspire toward ignorance… so being a redneck is not a badge of honor. If it were in-breeding would be a bonus!

Entertainment:
Well the term should be enough but we all want to believe that what we see in a movie is true… personally I can’t wait to meet princess fiona! ;-)

Sports:
OMG Where the hell would I begin… Most are thugs that if they didn’t have that lucky break and make millions+ to play a school-yard game!

]]> By: Hammer of Truth » Ahoy me hearties! http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/comment-page-1/#comment-1056491 Hammer of Truth » Ahoy me hearties! Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:49:58 +0000 http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/10/04/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/#comment-1056491 [...] Yes, you read that right. They will let pirates into debates, but they have to think about it when a million-dollar Libertarian campaign would like to debate. [...]

]]> By: paulie http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/comment-page-1/#comment-1055268 paulie Tue, 10 Oct 2006 01:21:59 +0000 http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/10/04/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/#comment-1055268 Why is it automatically assumed that it is bad to be an extremist?

]]> By: Richard Newell http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/comment-page-1/#comment-1054931 Richard Newell Sat, 07 Oct 2006 06:55:54 +0000 http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/10/04/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/#comment-1054931 Lex (#36) has the right approach. Libertarians are the “New Center,” not the fringe. Let those supporting socialist health care, and those imposing their religious views on everyone, be properly known as the extremists.

]]> By: paulie cannoli http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/comment-page-1/#comment-1054872 paulie cannoli Fri, 06 Oct 2006 20:53:42 +0000 http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/10/04/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/#comment-1054872 Yes, as well as institute a complete fascist dictatorship complete with suppression of all internal dissent.

http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=9779

]]> By: Equal Opportunity Cynic http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/comment-page-1/#comment-1054831 Equal Opportunity Cynic Fri, 06 Oct 2006 16:50:01 +0000 http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/10/04/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/#comment-1054831 Lex,

… and torture prisoners to find out that they are guilty, regardless of whether they are or not. Then they act on this “intelligence” to support more invasion without provocation, &c.

Had to get that correction in there.

]]> By: Lex http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/comment-page-1/#comment-1054784 Lex Fri, 06 Oct 2006 04:59:39 +0000 http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/10/04/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/#comment-1054784 Libertarians don’t make Republicans look moderate — it’s the other way around. Republicans want to spend 2.5 trillion dollars per year, grow the national debt to 10 trillion plus, invade other countries without provocation, outlaw popular and harmless activities, spy on American citizens without demonstrable cause, and torture prisoners to find out if they are guilty.

]]> By: james http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/comment-page-1/#comment-1054777 james Fri, 06 Oct 2006 03:51:08 +0000 http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/10/04/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/#comment-1054777 SVD!

hahaha it’s totally official! ;-)

]]> By: paulie http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/comment-page-1/#comment-1054750 paulie Thu, 05 Oct 2006 23:14:45 +0000 http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/10/04/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/#comment-1054750 Mr. Guthrie, if KING-TV keeps you out of the debate, I strongly suggest you buy hundreds of chicken suits and pass them out to some paid supporters for them to just dance around in front of media stations and your opponents’s offices until election day.

That would be awesome!

]]> By: Aaron http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/comment-page-1/#comment-1054718 Aaron Thu, 05 Oct 2006 19:32:56 +0000 http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/10/04/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/#comment-1054718 I’m not QUALIFIED to run for office; thus, I’m not running.

]]> By: disinter http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/comment-page-1/#comment-1054711 disinter Thu, 05 Oct 2006 17:25:15 +0000 http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/10/04/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/#comment-1054711 Aaron,

Good idea. What office are you running for?

]]> By: Devious David http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/comment-page-1/#comment-1054709 Devious David Thu, 05 Oct 2006 17:04:05 +0000 http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/10/04/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/#comment-1054709 Where have you been, Aaron?

We are running what may be an unprecedented slate of high grade, in fact – superior grade candidates. That alone isn’t going to over come the media blackouts. Nobody knows that they are high grade candidates for one thing. We can play patty-cake with the Demoblicans and jump through a never ending series of flaming hoops that they have erected, inventing new ones when we complete the obstacle course, or we can do something about it. Meanwhile all you can do is rave about how great those flaming hoops are and how they are our problem! Maybe the Demoblicans can give us some more of those wonderful problems! You idiot.

Your statement is not even germane to this discussion at all. Guthrie has demonstrated that he is a qualified and articulate candidate.

]]> By: Aaron http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/comment-page-1/#comment-1054706 Aaron Thu, 05 Oct 2006 16:30:32 +0000 http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/10/04/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/#comment-1054706 Instead of chicken suits, how about libertarians actually WIN an election for a change? We need to be very selective in the races we donate money to. We need to stop blaming the media and take PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for what is OUR problem; namely, candidates that lack credibility and public confidence. (I’m not talking about any one candidate in specific. I’m talking about ALL of our candidates as a group.) Once we run candidates that are capable of WINNING, not just affecting the difference in a given election, chicken suits will be something of the past.

]]> By: Hammer of Truth » A News Tip to the Seattle Media http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/comment-page-1/#comment-1054662 Hammer of Truth » A News Tip to the Seattle Media Thu, 05 Oct 2006 05:39:40 +0000 http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/10/04/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/#comment-1054662 [...] Stephen VanDyke had the right general idea when he posted the following about the Bruce Guthrie campaign in Washington: I’m getting damned sick of these damned collusive rules that are aimed to keep Libertarians and other third parties off the public’s radar screen. [...]

]]> By: Nigel Watt http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/comment-page-1/#comment-1054660 Nigel Watt Thu, 05 Oct 2006 04:28:02 +0000 http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/10/04/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/#comment-1054660 Sue their pants off, Greg. We’re suing Belo down in Texas.

]]> By: Greg Clark http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/comment-page-1/#comment-1054647 Greg Clark Thu, 05 Oct 2006 02:09:36 +0000 http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/10/04/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/#comment-1054647 First of all, it won’t be the Republicans complaining about Bruce’s appearance in the debates, it will be the Democrats. Bruce is the Republican candidate’s only hope; McGavick is way behind in the polls.

Secondly, if Cantwell is defeated it will be the second time in a row for this Senate seat that the LP candidate’s vote will be larger than the margin of victory, which was also true in the last election for governor.

This is the explicit LPWA strategy. We get a seat at the table when we can defeat either party at will.

And if KING 5 (owned by Belo – The Dallas Morning News)doesn’t allow Bruce in the debate they will be seeing lawsuits, not just chicken suits.

]]> By: Michael H. Wilson http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/comment-page-1/#comment-1054642 Michael H. Wilson Thu, 05 Oct 2006 01:28:19 +0000 http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/10/04/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/#comment-1054642 Before I sit down and drink a bottle of cold beer allow me to expand on my comments above. Billboards are not as expensive as some would believe. You can spend $5,000 a month on a board. You can also spend much less, but you need to define your goal, such as you want to put up ten board for two months in July and August of ’08 and then make an effort raise 50 grand. To do that you need about 500 people willing to give ten bucks a month for a year. That shouldn’t be a hard job in some of the larger states. Focus on a issue that no one else will touch such as the 280,000 troops we have in 130 around the globe and have spent about $20 trillion on since the end of WW2.
If you live in a state where one of the auto comapnies is shutting down a plant point out that we keep 45,000 troops in Japan, 38,000 in Korea and 80,000 in Ger. and these countries are the biggest competitors to American auto companies and we are laying off.
etc, etc, etc.
Beer time.
M.H.W.

]]> By: Daniel Paige http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/comment-page-1/#comment-1054635 Daniel Paige Thu, 05 Oct 2006 00:20:15 +0000 http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/10/04/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/#comment-1054635 Sign me up for a chicken suit!!

]]> By: Sandra Kallander http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/comment-page-1/#comment-1054630 Sandra Kallander Wed, 04 Oct 2006 23:54:14 +0000 http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/10/04/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/#comment-1054630 Speaking of billboards and year-long campaigns, there’s more activity over at the Badnarik.org blog.

]]> By: Michael H. Wilson http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/comment-page-1/#comment-1054627 Michael H. Wilson Wed, 04 Oct 2006 22:45:19 +0000 http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/10/04/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/#comment-1054627 Derrick writes: “To get mainstream media coverage, LP candidates need to reach 10% in pre-election polling.”

In order to get to this level we have to do more than show up once every couple of years. We need to make politics an all year effort. Raise $100,000 and spend it on billboard advertising in the year before we nominate candidates.
One issue such as the one Guthrie has brought to the table about bring all the troops home.
Buy advertising on the local bus line. Hammer away at just a few issues so not to complicate the show and go for it.
M.H.W.

]]> By: Equal Opportunity Cynic http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/comment-page-1/#comment-1054624 Equal Opportunity Cynic Wed, 04 Oct 2006 22:19:36 +0000 http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/10/04/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/#comment-1054624 Derrick,

I like the way you think. I’d love to share ideas. (If you desire to talk off-line, you can reach me here.)

I want to believe that the goal is attainable, but news items like this make it look Sisyphean.

If you had to come up with a prioritized top-five “TODO list” both organizationally and for places that an individual can get involved, what would you include?

What role does communication (and in particular, new means of communication such as the Internet) play in your overall vision?

Just some rambling topics I find interesting….

]]> By: Derrick http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/comment-page-1/#comment-1054621 Derrick Wed, 04 Oct 2006 21:58:59 +0000 http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/10/04/guthrie-will-still-get-cold-shoulder-from-media/#comment-1054621 Just to add to what I was saying about building an organizational back-end which will lift our candidates higher and higher… it is quite possible, and is indeed actually already happening, abeit too slowly.

I first got involved in the LP in 1987. Back then it was a relatively tiny organization made up of bearded weirdos who passed around photocopied zines and occasionally got 0.5% of the vote. I was active for about 3 years, and then dropped out due to disillusionment.

A few years ago I checked up on the party to see how it was doing, and was blown away by how much more organized and professional it was. The difference between 1987 and now is astounding. No doubt this unmistakable progress is a result of hard work by people like the ones on this site.

Good things will happen – we just need to keep working on the organizational foundations – building donor mailing lists, getting effective people into positions within LP state chapters, etc.

Like I said… let’s do it.

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