Good luck Libertarian Party candidates!

Happy Tuesday! As Collin County chairman, I will be very busy with poll watching and a multi county election night return watching event. Most of you know that I went to bed quite late last night. (See previous post timestamp.) Matthew Moseley and I did a last minute push to get his signs out at every polling location in his district.

I don’t know how much you have heard abut Matt, but he has run a very professional libertrarian campaign. I am very excited about his race because it is a two way race with a Republican Party opponent. Matt’s opponent did virtually no campaigning- I think he expects to be re-elected based on his poor service. I met up with Democratic Party candidates/volunteers while putting out signs and they were excited to see libertarian signs going up. David Hanschen, candidate for Family Court Judge actually said that he votes libertarian when there is no Dem on the ticket.

I don’t want to just run on about Matt as we have so many candidates who have worked their tails off this year. Let’s see, there is Badnarik, Hess, Smither, Claytor, Maymin, Machia, Schlosser, Guthrie, Peirce, Hayes, Sanders, Chambers and many others. There are simply too many to name here- a more detailed list can be found out LP.org.

I do want to say “Good Luck!” to all of our candidates and “Thank You!” to every volunteer who helped them. If we take any seats, it will be because of your efforts.

Update by Stephen VanDyke: Eric Dondero comments that we should wish good luck to GOP Libertarians. I suppose someone will come along and suggest we wish good luck to DNC Libertarians as well. Frankly, if they wanted our good wishes, they should have run on our ticket. NO SOUP FOR YOU!

posted by michelleshinghal
  • http://www.myspace.com/10forliberty Mitchell Port

    Everybody go out and vote and do not fall for the “lesser of two evil” BS!

  • http://www.mainstreamlibertarian.com Eric Dondero

    Michelle apparently forgot to say:

    Good luck Libertarian Party candidates running as Republicans this year. Record number. Over 20 alone for New Hampshire Legislature, including LP stalwart Don Gorman and the wife of the LP State Chair in a key State Senate race.

    Plus, 5 for Vermont Legislature.

    Virtually ALL Libertarian victories tonight will come on the GOP ticket. Others, like Smither, will come as a result of Republican support.

    One hopes HoT doesn’t ignore them, like appararently Ms. Shinghall has just done.

    I’m sure it was just an oversight and she really meant to say:

    Good luck to ALL Libertarian candidates today, Libertarian Party AND Libertarian Republicans.

  • http://www.mainstreamlibertarian.com Eric Dondero

    Just breaking…

    Fox News and NOW EJ Dionne of the Washington Post have articles on the “libertarian influence” in the Elections. It’s all centered on weather or not the GOP can keep libertarians in the fold.

    My bet, as with Montana (Suppport for LP candidate dropped from 5% to 1% in very latest poll), libertarians of all stripes will COME HOME TO THE GOP on the final day.

    Latest election results blogged for libertarians on http://www.mainstreamlibertarian.com starting late tonight!

  • Stephen VanDyke

    Eric Dondero: go play on Redstate today.

  • http://www.mainstreamlibertarian.com Eric Dondero

    Addendum:

    I see Michelle did mention “Machia” above. But unfortunately, she forgot to note that Hardy is running as a Republican.

    And “Smither” above is running as a Libertarian who has pledged to “Caucus” with the GOP if elected; a true Big L Libertarian Republican, like his Libertarian Republican friend Ron Paul.

    I’m sure Michelle wishes for Ron Paul to win reelection, as well, even though he’s a Republican.

  • Michelle Shinghal

    Not an oversight at all. Again, Good Luck Libertarian Party candidates!

    I have mentioned before that I am not opposed to a liberty minded person running for office on any ticket. But, if there is a Lib, Dem, and Rep running- and all are promoting libertarian ideals- I will support the libertarian. While the goal is freedom and limited government, I just don’t see the other parties making it happen. I have spent way too much time and effort- + way too many arguments with my husband- to throw support to parties that do not represent my views. I guess now that I have explained my position, I will wish luck to RINO Ron Paul. He has no libertarian opponent.

  • Michelle Shinghal

    Machia happens to be the chairman of Vermont Libertarian Party. I have no issue with his fusion ballot.

  • http://www.lp.org/cgi-bin/candidates/exec/search.cgi?cat=70&start=1&perpage=100&template=index/default.html Sean Haugh

    OK, so you’re so good I have to come back every once in awhile even if you are putting me in your big HoT echelon database. ;-) Thanks for helping Matthew Moseley!! He is one of our best candidates this year, a real joy to work with and very deserving of your support. The Texas LP has a lot to be proud of!

    Today I will join with Mr. Dondero. I wish every success to our Libertarian candidates, regardless of how they are listed on the ballot. I hope all non-demopublicans have a strong showing today, good luck to NOTA in Nevada, and as I do every election day, I pray that everyone who is elected upholds the standards of Liberty bequeathed to us by our Founders.

    Our Libertarian candidates are the best bunch of folks anyone could hope to be associated with. Working with them has been a special blessing. It is a joy to support them and I am looking forward to seeing the results of their hard work and their faith in this country roll in big tonight.

  • http://www.crazyforliberty.com Doug Craig

    I will be posting Georgia results on http://www.crazyforliberty.com, I do know Fox Atlanta will be at our party tonight, we hope to have more press there also.
    ood luck to all

  • Michelle Shinghal

    Have a great night Doug!!!! We will also have press at our party- we have 2 confirmations from press. (There actually may be 3 but I don’t want to commit to that number without reading again the email.)

  • paulie

    If you feel you must vote, vote Libertarian.

    If there is a D next to the candidate’s name, unless it’s Frank Gonzalez, it means Don’t vote for him/her.

    And if there is an R next to the candidates’s name, unless it’s Ron Paul, that means REALLY don’t vote for him/her.

    Some libertarians say it’s never OK to vote, and some say it’s never OK not to vote.

    Roderick Long has a good blog entry today which is sensibly down the middle.

    http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/06/in-defense-of-voting-sort-of/

  • paulie

    Folks, don’t mind Eric – his dyslexia is causing him to see the Nolan chart upisde down.

    “Libertarians” or close according to Eric:

    Bill O’Reilly
    Zell Miller
    Arnold Schwarzenegger
    Jeb Bush
    Katherine Harris
    George W. Bush
    Rudolf Giuliani
    Joe Lieberman

    Any questions?!

  • Rance Muhamitz

    Unfortunately there were only 3 Libertarians (including myself) on my ballot. I gave one democrat a vote, gave a US house write-in to Frank Zappa, and left the rest blank!

  • undercover_anarchist

    No, Dondickwad, you should GO HOME to the GOP.

  • http://www.mainstreamlibertarian.com Eric Dondero

    Note, as Paulie has said ONLY RON PAUL is worth voting for on the GOP ticket, it means defacto that he’d like to see Don Gorman go down to defeat in New Hampshire, and Hardy, Ben, Bob and the others go down to defeat in Vermont, cause they’re running as Republicans.

    Too late, Paulie. You can’t retract it. You’re now on record.

  • http://www.BrazosLP.org Christopher Jagge

    There are lots of local LP candidates running who we might not hear about right away. Locally, we stand the best chance to elect a Justice of the Peace (Linda Wilbert, JP#4, Brazos County, TX). Yesterday, I too made a run for some last minute fliers and was putting up campaign signs at polling places. …oh and if Linda is elected, it will be because of support from traditional DEMOCRATS! We’ll see.

    Good Luck all.

  • Derrick

    The only Libertarian nominee on my ballot is U.S. Senate candidate Kevin Zeese, who is actually listed on the ballot as a Green. He is running with the nomination of the Green, Libertarian, and Populist parties here in MD, on a platform which includes socializing healthcare.

  • paulie

    Eric

    (yawn)

    There are a trivial number of Democrats and Republicans who merit a vote (if you have to vote at all).

    But most of your so-called “libertarian Republicans” are, well, NOT.

    We’ll be a lit better off if the Democrats don’t get cheated out of taking over Congress next year, but in the long run, we’ll still be sliding towards full scale totalitarianism and genocide in the Heimland.

    Whether Dubai-ya suspends the elections in 2008, or Hillary takes over, it will still happen. And most of your so-called libertarian Republicans will vote “aye” every step of the way.

  • DAP

    Good luck GOP libertarians also!

  • Sandra Kallander

    Don’t forget Loretta Nall. I wish I could vote for her, and will, after she’s won a statewide race in Alabama, worked her way into the governor’s office, and subsequently runs for president!

    If you’re in Alabama, don’t forget to write her in!

    Folks, don’t forget that your vote this year is amunition for next time, regardless who wins.

  • Nicholas Sarwark

    The only Libertarian nominee on my ballot is U.S. Senate candidate Kevin Zeese, who is actually listed on the ballot as a Green. He is running with the nomination of the Green, Libertarian, and Populist parties here in MD, on a platform which includes socializing healthcare.

    He’s a card-carrying Libertarian though, who’s first minor party vote was for Harry Browne in 1996 (Nader was too soft on the Drug War).

    I voted for him this morning and hope you did too.

  • http://www.lpnm.org Joseph Knight

    Uncle Joe’s top 10 Reasons to Vote Libertarian:

    1) You won’t have to wash your hands after voting.

    2) You’ll sleep better election night.

    3) You send ‘em a message they’ll understand.

    4) Libertarians sometimes actually win and your vote
    could actually make a difference.

    5) You encourage future Libertarian candidates.

    6) You help draw attention to the LP, which will help
    build the party.

    7) You help lend credibility to libertarian ideas.

    8) You make the losing ahtoritarian candidate wonder
    how he (or she) could have got your vote.

    9) It’s a great way to irritate your parents.

    10) You really have nothing to gain by voting for
    authoritarian candidates anyway.

  • undercover_anarchist

    I would vote for Nancy Pelosi before I would vote for the anti-gay, anti-woman, theocrat in libertarian’s clothing Ron Paul.

    Wake up and get off the theocon dick.

    Ron Paul is a fascist.

  • disinter

    Mathew Mosely is another first class candidate, ranking right up there with Arin Sime and Rex Bell. He already has plans to begin campaign immediately after this election if he were to loose today.

    The LP should put all of our resources behind Mosely and Sime and maybe one or two other outstanding state-level candidates and get them elected! We are spreading our scarce resources way too thin each election, and it obviously isn’t working.

  • paulie

    Don’t forget Loretta Nall. I wish I could vote for her, and will, after she’s won a statewide race in Alabama, worked her way into the governor’s office, and subsequently runs for president!

    If you’re in Alabama, don’t forget to write her in!

    My favorite candidate this year :-)

    http://nallforgovernor.blogspot.com/2006/11/instructions-on-write-in-voting.html

  • paulie

    Mathew Mosely is another first class candidate, ranking right up there with Arin Sime and Rex Bell.

    Some of my other favorites this year besides Loretta:

    Dick Clark – Alabama State House 79 (Auburn)
    http://citizenclark.com/

    John Clifton – Gov., NY
    http://www.electclifton.org

  • http://myspace.com/phuturesound Derrick

    Nick, I’m gonna vote for Zeese in a bit, when I head out later this afternoon. I do like the guy and recognize that he has good positions on some issues, but it’s hard for me to get really excited about him given some of his socialist tendencies.

  • paulie

    I like Zeese a lot better than many of Eric’s allegedly “libertarian” Republicans.

  • Jeffrey Quick

    “Home” to the GOP, Eric? I live in Ohio. And I’m not coming “home” to a whorehouse.

  • Brian S

    I am in California, and voted almost all Libertarian. I actually voted Green for the first time, for attorney general, because the Green seemed to be more Libertarian than the Libertarian. I also took a pass on our pro-war “libertarian” congressional candidate and voted for his Democrat opponent, who had the balls to vote against the Military Commissions Act. I even held my nose and gave a vote to Republican Tom McClintock for Lt. Gov. I probably had the weirdest ballot in CA today.

  • Chris Hickman

    There’s only one libertarian on my whole ballot – gubernatorial. I’m voting for the dem because the republican is so absolutely horrible, and the dem is halfway decent. Bash me if you want, but I balance my “chance to win” and “values compatible with mine” columns when voting.

  • DAP

    An interesting statistic from FoxNews: “According to Pew, libertarians make up around 9 percent of the electorate. They also find that 50 percent of libertarians typically identify with or lean Republican, while 41 percent identify or lean Democratic and 9 percent are independent or unaffiliated.”

  • http://myspace.com/phuturesound Derrick

    Lp.org is tracking the results on a nice chart, as they come in. Check it out.

  • 5th of November

    So it begins…jammed phones, broken machines, long lines, intimidation… Why does everyone think this year will be different? They already stole 2 presidential elections (wide scale fraud). You really think they cannot steal House/Senate/Governor elections (small scale fraud)? This is the same group that managed to legalize warrantless wiretaps, suspend habeas corpus, ban books like “America Deceived” from Amazon, detain demonstrators and start 2 illegal wars based on lies. The Republicans will probably lose a few seats today to make it look good but maintain a majority. Then they’ll invade Iran on behalf of Israel.
    Support indy media.
    Final link (before Google Books bends to gov’t will and drops the title):
    http://www.iuniverse.com/bookstore/book_detail.asp?&isbn=0-595-38523-0

  • Zander C

    Your book sucks. Stop pushing it here.

  • Michelle Shinghal

    FTR, LP.org is doing a great job, but not all of the candidates are listed there. I would also suggest visiting your state party site to get all candidates names. Texas candidates can be found at http://www.lptexas.org/candidates.shtml

    And to you V, let’s see what happens before we go all negative. You know that we have concerns about voting accuracy, but I think it is time to sit back and breathe. The LP candidates (and Party) have done a fabulous job this year. We can start worrying about what happened tomorrow- of course, it sounds like we are also going to start working on what we can do better tomorrow too. Damn, I think that we are already improving. ;o)

  • DAP

    Yay, conspiracy theory! Someone get paulie..

  • http://www.renbook.com Gene Berkman

    I voted Libertarian for Art Olivier for Governor, and for the other LP candidates statewide, except that I voted for Tom McClintock (R) for Lt Governor.
    Locally, I live in an area with Republican incumbents, so I voted for the Democrat challengers for Congress & State Assembly.
    Most important, I voted Yes on Prop 90 to limit Eminent Domain.

  • tech

    Down with moralism. Down with the right. Down with the god damn Republicans!

    (I swear in the name of love, one more Dondero post and I’m voting Democrat for here on out. ;)

    And in all seriousness, it is well past time for liberty to officially break all ties with conservatism.

    I’m 23. I live in the city of Atlanta. My friends are predominantly very liberal. I think that the future of this is them. The future of us is with them.

    I want a healthy public sector, just a much better one. I want to do something about drug scheduling. I want serious global peace, and not excuses. Can I have a party, please? Not 50 year old white Utah militiamen in a hotel lobby talking about Ayn Rand and how to double the fringe vote to 2%. A viable, -real liberal- political -option-. A political place. Please.

    The left may be Stalin. I’m not denying that. I’m saying, let’s get together and make it Hayek!

    (Just a little personal .02 on a rainy election night, don’t take too seriously or anything.)

  • tech

    (Also just want to say I’m really proud of the LP and all of the wonderful people there. They really are great, and I’m sorry for being such a negative critic half the time. I just have my ideas and hopes and get carried away!)

  • paulie

    DAP

    You called?

    Yeah, I’m well aware of the vote fraud and the rest.

    On the other hand, the sorry ass marketing for the book (yes, this same exact post has been up in numerous threads) is totally spamalicious!

    As punishment, I won’t buy the book.

    However, as for the rest of the post: care to dispute it?

  • paulie

    Tech:

    With ya, except that “healthy public sector” thing.

    Healthy virus = unhealthy host.

    But good points on the rest.

  • Mike G

    Here in Illinois, I voted for Mark McCoy (www.markmccoy.com) as a write in Libertarian candidate for Govenor. I hope he wins….

  • tech

    I’m with you, too, paulie!

    Except I’m finding I am not so much with anarchism or “minarchism”. I think there is a place for, and a reason for a liberal democracy.

    I just don’t want it to be my nanny!

    The day when we logical-minded, individual rights-minded take back our rightful seat on the left will be the day when Frist falls over into the water and drowns and -we become the “right”-. The two party system deserves a 21st century argument. Chomsky deserves his place on the far end of one of one side of the sociopolitical argument -that is worth having-, and Rothbard deserves his place on the other. We need to unite and offer a balance.

    I believe most of America will show that they want a better America if a real option can be put in front of them, too.

  • Andy

    “Update by Stephen VanDyke: Eric Dondero comments that we should wish good luck to GOP Libertarians. I suppose someone will come along and suggest we wish good luck to DNC Libertarians as well. Frankly, if they wanted our good wishes, they should have run on our ticket. NO SOUP FOR YOU!”

    I wish good luck to any REAL libertarians that are running as Republicans or Democrats.

    So good luck to Ron Paul & Don Gorman who are running as Republicans and good luck to Frank Gonzalez who is running as a Democrat.

    As for other libertarians running as Republicans, I’d have to look into them more before I could endorse them because being called a “libertarian” by Eric Dondero doesn’t necessarily mean anything since some of the people that he’s claimed are libertarian or libertarian leaning are in reality anti-liberty. I don’t doubt that there are a few other real libertarians who are running as Republicans this year, but I’m not going to take Eric’s word for who is really a libertarian

  • tech

    LP.org is reporting some good Libertarian showings for Georgia tonight! I’m really proud of my state!

  • Andy

    “I would vote for Nancy Pelosi before I would vote for the anti-gay, anti-woman, theocrat in libertarian’s clothing Ron Paul.

    Wake up and get off the theocon dick.

    Ron Paul is a fascist.”

    That’s a completely absurd statement. Below is the definition of a fascism. Doesn’t sound like Ron Paul to me. Ron Paul is far more pro-liberty than you are. You are like the leftist version of Eric Dondero.

    fas”§cism”‚ /ˈfæʃɪzÉ™m/ Pronunciation Key – Show Spelled Pronunciation[fash-iz-uhm]

    ”“noun 1. (sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
    2. (sometimes initial capital letter) the philosophy, principles, or methods of fascism.
    3. (initial capital letter) a fascist movement, esp. the one established by Mussolini in Italy.

  • Andy

    “I also took a pass on our pro-war ‘libertarian’ congressional candidate and voted for his Democrat opponent, who had the balls to vote against the Military Commissions Act.”

    Who was the pro-war “Libertarian” Congressional candidate to which you are refering?

  • Wes P

    Ron Paul is more socially conservative than I’d prefer, but he doesn’t try to legislate it.

    On the other hand, our Great Decider thinks he is the law.

  • Will Novak

    Anyone know if the AZLP is having a party/get together tonight? I looked on their site and didn’t see anything.

  • IanC

    Will — MCLP is having a get-together at the George & Dragon on Central Ave this Saturday, I believe.

    The AZLP is somewhat… defunct, as I understand it, after a fiasco involving AZLP, Inc.

  • http://freestateproject.org Seth Cohn

    Congrats to Joel Winters, who is not (and never has been, thanks to the pledge requirement) an LPer. He was elected tonight to the New Hampshire House. He ran a stellar campaign, and could well be one of the highest offices of any elected tonight to any small-l libertarian.

  • Beaker

    I am confused and annoyed with HOT. Often you have posted polls indicating soaring support for Lib candidates in polls. I will pull the example of Smither in TX. You mentioned he was polling at 25% yet he is only getting 8% roughly. Do I smell deception and strong wishful thinking? That is never helpful and I find myself sickened by it if it is wishful thinking.

  • http://360.yahoo.com/pong_god Robert Mayer

    Smither is currently at 5.8% with 57% of the results in. I’m not sure if this is more disappointing or Badnarik’s paltry 4.3% given the significantly larger amount of money his campaign raised.

  • disinter

    Check out results here:

    http://www.lp.org/

  • disinter

    Un-friggin believable… I can’t believe Lieberman won….

  • disinter

    First senator out of the closet as a socialist (Bernie Sanders) elected… the Retard Caucus should be proud….

  • IanC

    Nelson — honestly, with sentiments like that… go fuck yourself. Seriously; you need to get laid.

    What is pissing me the hell off is the vast margin by which Smither looks like he got beaten by. The DEMOCRAT won… whose claim to fame was; he *worked for the charity* that was created *by the libertarian* …

    WTF??? And please — don’t give me that Diebold routine. ~10% of the vote, and the *write-in* got 3-4x the vote totals? Well, something needs to be done. Seriously.

  • http://myspace.com/phuturesound Derrick

    I am confused and annoyed with HOT. Often you have posted polls indicating soaring support for Lib candidates in polls. I will pull the example of Smither in TX. You mentioned he was polling at 25% yet he is only getting 8% roughly. Do I smell deception and strong wishful thinking? That is never helpful and I find myself sickened by it if it is wishful thinking.

    It’s called hype. You’ll get that in the LP, and probably every other party. I’ve learned to take such lofty predictions with a grain of salt, and long ago gave up hoping that we would be swept into Congress overnight.

    It’s going to take years of work. But, I do believe it can be done. Hang in there with us, and let’s turn 2% into 4%, 5% into 10%, and 14% into 28%.

  • disinter

    What is pissing me the hell off is the vast margin by which Smither looks like he got beaten by.

    Poor thang. Did you do anything to help him get better numbers? Besides join the retard caucus and sit on here and bitch all day?

    Didn’t think so…

  • DAP

    The new Zogby poll is trying to gauge how many libertarians there are, go vote on it!!

  • disinter

    DAP- link?

  • DAP

    Mike Nelson: you suck, and your picture is photoshopped (FYI).

    Also, I heart Lieberman.

  • DAP

    To answer zogby polls, you have to sign up at: http://interactive.zogby.com/pollregistration/registration/

    You will get polled (on politics) about once a month.

  • http://iliketocomplain.blogspot.com Christopher Monnier

    I’m surprised Badnarik got as many votes as he did. He’s way too extreme to be viable. He could have had $10,000,000 and still have gotten less than 10% of the vote.

    Why are a disproportionate amount of Libertarians running for office a little on the crazy side? Other third parties have candidates that win state or national office (the Green Party, the Socialist(!) Party, maybe even the Constitution Party), and I think it’s because their candidates are, well, normal.

    Granted, it’s easier to come across as “normal” when you’re pushing a populist message that Joe Everyman can’t help but agree with, but come on…how many more blue-faced, non-tax-paying, no-driver’s-license-holding candidates do we have to put up with?!?

  • http://www.rlc.org Aaron

    This “no soup for you” attitude to libertarian-leaning candidates who run under the label “D” or “R” is arrogant and short sighted. There are MORE ELECTED LIBERTARIANS in the GOP than in the LP. Check http://chelm.freeyellow.com/how.html for details. Bye.

  • http://myspace.com/phuturesound Derrick

    Christopher Monnier: I couldn’t have said it better myself. I’m completely fed up with the kooks in the LP. They tarnish the Libertarian “brand” and ruin it for the sane ones among us.

  • DAP

    So we didnt win anything in the house or senate. My question is this: did our numbers improve this year? If so, by how much?

    I do feel like the LP is doing more good things, but do our numbers reflect this?

  • http://360.yahoo.com/pong_god Robert Mayer

    Yeah, you guys are right. If only ALL of the LP candidates would sell out their principles then we could finally rejoice when they reach that magical double-digit percentage!

  • http://myspace.com/phuturesound Derrick

    Yeah, you guys are right. If only ALL of the LP candidates would sell out their principles then we could finally rejoice when they reach that magical double-digit percentage!

    I didn’t say anything about selling out principles. I just said I’m sick of LPers who make us all look like kooks.

  • disinter

    Mike Nelson: you suck, and your picture is photoshopped (FYI).

    Also, I heart Lieberman.

    LOL! VanDyke did the photoshopping…

  • Lex

    Unfortunately, the LP is getting creamed tonight.

    http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/politics/elections/national2006

    Badnarik is at 4%.
    Hess is at 2%.
    Smither is at 6%.
    Guthrie is at 1%.
    Peirce is at 2%.
    Hayes is at 4%.

    Do Libertarians just not turn out to vote? All of these were solid candidates, and polling above these numbers. Are the votes counted accurately? I once thought LP vote totals might be suppressed by those who did the counting, but if they don’t see us as a threat, why would they bother?

  • disinter

    Yeah, you guys are right. If only ALL of the LP candidates would sell out their principles then we could finally rejoice when they reach that magical double-digit percentage!

    I wonder what the Retard Caucus’s excuse will be this time….

  • http://360.yahoo.com/pong_god Robert Mayer

    Derrick, apparently Badnarik seems like a kook to you because he takes libertarian principles seriously. As for the blue-faced dude spouting off about the Communist takeover of the world, well, you’ll get no argument from me.

  • Michelle Shinghal

    TX had many double digits- post coming. I must warn you- I am quite upset.

  • http://www.lp.org/ Sean Haugh

    Some quick hits:

    Eric Schansberg is well over the margin of difference in his race. So is Joe Silvestri in CD3 in Nevada and our old friend Thom Rankin is well over the margin of difference to take out Barbara “I’m gonna slap you” Cubin.

    We have at least three winners in NC tonight! All for Soil & Water District Supervisor. Wish we were on the ballot.

  • DAP

    The marijuana legalization ballot initiatives were very close, but we didn’t win.

    We got 38.8% in CO and with 2/3 of the precincts reporting.
    We got 42.5% (compared to 39% in 2002) in NV with 7/17 of the precincts reporting.

    I’m not sure how the eminent domain initiatives went.

  • http://www.lputah.org Rob Latham

    Many reasons why non-incumbent political parties in a winner-take-all/first-past-the-post electoral system don’t do well.

    The big one is Duverger’s Law. Look it up.

    The solution: ranked-choice and proportional representation electoral systems, beginning at the local level.

    All instant runoff voting local initiatives this year are looking good for passage.

  • Chris Hickman

    Robert, Badnarik is someone who advocates strapping prisoners to their beds for a month so that their muscles atrophy and they’re no longer a threat to society. Of course, you haven’t seen this on his webpage since he was nominated to be the ’04 LP prez candidate. There were a lot of other ridiculous things there pre-nomination too, but that’s the one that sticks out most in my mind.

    To me, Badnarik is not a real libertarian, he’s a radical that happens to side with some of the principles of libertarianism. He’s more of a carnival act than anything else.

  • Lex

    “Many reasons why non-incumbent political parties in a winner-take-all/first-past-the-post electoral system don’t do well….

    The solution: ranked-choice and proportional representation electoral systems, beginning at the local level.”
    ————————–
    Maybe the solution is to stop trying to beat them at their game, and start gaming the system.

    Only 15% of registered voters vote in the primaries. If 2/3 of those are for the dominant party in a state or district, just 5% of voters could place a stealth libertarian candidate on the ballot of the dominant major party. Even a blatantly obvious libertarian could still win if nominated in this way, since most voters pay very little attention.

    Aren’t there 5% libertarians out there?

  • http://www.lp.org/ Sean Haugh

    Oh yeah, and for the fourth election in a row we punched the GOP in the nose real good – this time Frank Gilmour in MO is way more than the margin of difference in a critical Senate race. Margins are important because that’s what gets the demopublicans’ attention.

  • Lex

    “Robert, Badnarik is someone who advocates strapping prisoners to their beds for a month so that their muscles atrophy and they’re no longer a threat to society. Of course, you haven’t seen this on his webpage since he was nominated to be the ”˜04 LP prez candidate. There were a lot of other ridiculous things there pre-nomination too, but that’s the one that sticks out most in my mind.”
    ————————
    Badnarik was making a point about giving prisoners weights and time to use them, bulking up for their release so they could pose a greater threat to society when released too early due to overcrowding due to Drug Prohibition. I think he was trying to be funny, and his pre-nomination campaign would have done a lot better on election day if he had continued in the same vein.

    Badnarik is definitely libetarian.

  • http://myspace.com/phuturesound Derrick

    Robert Mayer: I don’t doubt Badnarik’s principles. I also don’t doubt that he scares people away from the LP: link1, link2, link3, link4

  • http://freestateproject.org Seth Cohn

    Lex: come to NH. We’re doing it here right now… successfully.

    BTW, Eminent domain protection amendment in NH: passed.
    NH Amendment further reducing the size of some districts, making it easy to run for state rep offices: passed.
    Number of Free Staters elected to NH State House: at least 1.

  • disinter

    Smither is currently at 18.52% in the special election.

    http://207.200.23.22/06novspc.htm

  • Graham

    All I have observed at this point: In US Congressional races in Texas, Libertarians got at least 2% just for being on the ballot and in some cases 3-4% ( a couple I had never heard of and others I’m sure spent very little money). So that half a mil bought Badnarik somewhere around 0-2%, maybe. LP TX is pretty strong as in many states LP candidates in 3-way ( or 4,5,6-way)races barely manage 1% if that and finish behind Greens and non-affiliated Independents.

    Not sure what to say about Smither. Though I think the 18% in the special election is impressive. I guess he got the Democrat vote there? Perhaps the Republican appeal was overestimated.

  • http://myspace.com/phuturesound Derrick

    Yeah, the baseline in Texas is pretty impressive. There are a lot of results in the 20-25% range. I assume those are two-way races? In any case, that’s definitely brushing right up against major party territory. Props to the TXLP. Keep doing whatever it is you have been doing. Just a few more percentage points and the press will be giving you as much coverage as the D’s and R’s.

  • http://www.lp.org/ Sean Haugh

    I would love to hear more about how our fusion and/or stealth candidates in NH and VT did. My attention has been elsewhere. In other crossdressing news, Frank Gonzalez got 41%, which is much better than the 28% he got last time.

  • Michelle Shinghal

    You know what? I am not going to post. I am fighting with hubby over my worry of the LP. This whole thing is a stress- I am married to a man who refuses to register to vote becaus**********************************god- if you knew what I just erased, you would laugh hysterically. I promised him that I would resign as chair if we did not take a real seat. Collin County, TX needs a chair. God, I hope that my HoT editor friend pays on his bet. (I picked Perry to win, he picked Kinky) I am so sad right now- I actually believed that we could do something this year. The sad thing is that I must do what I promised even when TX shows promise. Fuck- I HATE having to keep my word in this instance. (God knows that there are excuses for things- I did not know that TX would do almost well enough.** Liberty Mix is coming after the election.) Sorry, that was really bad of me.(I really thought we would win and that my bets would pay in my favor. I did not invest in a new website though.

  • disinter

    Texas Results:

    1 candidate for US Rep received over 20% (so far) and another over 10%. For US Rep!

    4 Supreme Court candidates received over 20% of the vote.

    2 court of criminal appeals candidates received over 20% of the vote.

    3 state board of education candidates received over 20%, another received over 10%.

    5 state senate candidates received around or over 20%, another received around 16.5%.

    37 state Rep candidates received over 10%, 2 received 9%. Of the 37, 9 received over 20% of the vote.

    Not bad.

  • disinter

    Oh, and did I mention that Smither received nearly 20% of the vote in the special? 18.69%

  • disinter

    Kansas had some impressive results… 4 state house candidates received over 20% of the vote.

  • http://libertarian.meetup.com/33 Jeff Schulman

    I’m from AZ and we made some impressive numbers there as well:

    Rachael Kiesly for State Senate got 30% (4% from winning!)
    Jack Heald for State House got 21%
    Edward Schwebel for State House got 19%
    Jason Blair, for US House, got 25% in a 2 way race (Versus Jeff Flake, a member of the LRC)

    If the momentum keeps up, we can win numerous local and state elections in 2008!

  • Andy

    “We got 42.5% (compared to 39% in 2002) in NV with 7/17 of the precincts reporting.”

    If a marijuana legalization initiative was going to pass anywhere you’d think that it would be in Nevada.

  • http://www.outrightusa.org Brian R. Miller

    I don’t see why people are wringing their hands. This was a good election for the LP in general and the LP in Texas in particular, with several races doing better than I dared dream, and a couple (Smither in particular) doing about what I expected.

    People have to shed the demon of unrealistic expectations, like LP victories where lots of money has been raised in a distrct where no LP victories have ever been posted before. If you were expecting an LP clean sweep, yes, you were disappointed (but also unrealistic from the get-go). If you were aiming for a stronger-than-usual year with incremental growth and growth in LP support across the board, in an off election year, then you’re dancing a jig right now (as I am).

    This gives us an excellent base to continue to grow from in places like Texas and elsewhere and also gives us a reason to temper our expectations and aim for long-term party growth rather than hope for magical quick wins. That will, over time, build a strong LP.

  • http://www.finlandforthought.net Phil

    Badnarik does 4% in TX, hmmmmm. Others have a pretty solid 2-3%. Libertarians in TX who actually did well had no Republican challenger.

    But it looks as if we libertarians have decided the highly contested Montana senate race. Looks like we’ll see our party’s name in the news during the next few days as the spoiler.

  • Devious David

    Hilariously, the races where the most money was spent and the most effort put forth were the biggest failures. Some random dude we’ve never heard of outdid Smither for a congressional seat… 20+%.

    I think folks don’t understand what all we’re up against here. For all practical purposes… it’s impossible. This leads people to build up unrealistic expectations and then they want to quit in disappointment after investing all the emotion and energy into the campaign. The worst part is that that makes people quit, like in Michelle’s case.

    I’m telling you folks, putting too much into elections at the neglect of all the others is deadly. The elections should be of tertiary concern right now. But nobody wants to listen. Look at the things we’re PRESENTLY good at: building coalitions of single issues campaigns. Drawing attention to certain issues. There’s a lot of room for improvement yet and it looks like some small incremental percentages have been gained here and there.

  • Devious David

    The fact is that most people don’t understand what it is we’re selling for one. There is little local effort and infrastructure. What about touching voters in non-election years? That’s what single issues is about for one, but there is so much much more.

    The elections are about winning and we are just unable to yet. I don’t care how many Mick Jagger consultants we get, winning will not be part of the equation until people understand this. Fire the consultants. Not nearly enough people are presently libertarian to win.

  • Devious David

    Oh and it looks like Americans beleive that Democrats are the bonafide alternative. They actually beleive that there is a difference… look at the results even in Republican districts. The only possibility is that Republicans stayed home, or *otherwise voted Democratic*.

    And let’s learn one more time why licking a Republican’s taint isn’t going to get us anywhere.

  • http://freestateproject.org Seth Cohn

    Sean: re fusion in NH: there was no ‘fusion’ because there were no D-L or R-L candidates in the race. What was being done in NH was running _as_ D or R, and in that respect, most of the Rs lost, along with _many_ of the incumbent Rs in a strong sweep of the Ds across the ticket, so this wasn’t about them, this was just a bad year for running Republican here in NH. As for the D side, we have a strong victory, see #52.

  • Ben Todd

    If anyone claims that I sold out my Libertarian values to try to win this election I will have words with them. I ran under the LP and the GOP. I finished with 14.35% of the vote. Very disapointing. But again VT gave the dems a clean sweep. In two years when people see that the dems are not making anything better we need to attack with fully funded state house candidates, we need to bring volunteers in from all over to work the streets.

  • http://www.mainstreamlibertarian.com Eric Dondero

    The sorry fact is the Libertarians have acted as spoiler in a number of races, including it appears, Montana. But the joke is on us. The media won’t report on the Libertarians, outside of a few conservative talk show hosts, cause the last thing the media wants is to give credence to limited government views.

    Watch for an almost complete blackout in the coverage of the election of Libertarian candidates in the coming days.

  • http://www.mainstreamlibertarian.com Eric Dondero

    I’ve studied the results all tonight, and what’s crystal clear to me, is that the American voting public has soundly rejected libertarian principles in this election. Everywhere Libertarian Party and Republican Liberty Caucus backed candidates have been soundly defeated.

    The Vermont 5 all lost. Smither got only 6%. 2 Big RLC State Legislators were defeated. RLC-backed Congressional candidates lost.

    Americans want bigger government; thus they’ve voted resoundingly for the Democrats.

    We’re going to have to deal with that fact in the next two years. What we’re selling is not what most Americans wish to buy. They want more government controls, more public schools, more political correctness and surrender to Islamo-Fascism.

    Liberty is not a popular concept these days.

  • http://www.mainstreamlibertarian.com Eric Dondero

    Devious Dave, you’d have an excellent point that “licking the Republicans doesn’t get us anywhere…”

    Only one problem; Judging by the results on http://www.lp.org, the Libertarian Party has had a bad year, as well.

    Only LP victories; One Town Councilman in SC, and three Water & Soil Boards.

    That’s hardly inspiring.

    Face it, this is a huge loss for all of us. We’re in the same boat. The American public has spoken, and they have firmly rejected out limited government ideals.

    I only wish LP candidates would have done better, than at least we could make the argument for the LP instead of the libertarian Republican course. But the LP did much worse than expected.

  • matt

    free state wyoming.

    free state new hampshire.

    voting with feet is looking better and better each day.

  • Michael

    Eric said: The American public has spoken, and they have firmly rejected out limited government ideals.

    Is this really the case? Or is it more the fact that people see Republican over reaching and punished them for it, but the only alternative they saw was to vote Democrat. Is it possible that the main issue is that we were not able to position ourselves as a *viable* alternative?

    Michael

  • HippyChimp

    ug, feels like xmas came and all I got was a lump of coal…

  • http://www.outrightusa.org Brian R. Miller

    Judging by the results on http://www.lp.org, the Libertarian Party has had a bad year, as well.

    I’m so tired of GOP “libertarian” propaganda. The reality is that the Libertarian party had its best electoral year in history and EVERYONE who isn’t a whack-nut social right-wing drooling idiot bitchslapped the Republicans.

    From Outright Libertarians:

    The Libertarian Party easily had its best election season ever yesterday, with exit polls showing remarkably strong showings by our candidates — especially in the Southwest. For example, in “red state” Texas, four of our candidates for state Senate received around 20% or more of the vote, with an additional three posting similar results for state House. This, despite the adage that a gay-friendly party like ours cannot post strong results in a supposedly anti-gay state like Texas!

  • http://www.outrightusa.org Brian R. Miller

    Continued:

    In “blue state” Vermont, all three of our candidates for state House received 12% or more of the vote. This, despite the adage that Vermonters would never accept a small-government message.

    In “red state” Wyoming, our candidate for state House of Representatives broke the 20% barrier — getting close to 22% of the vote, and our Secretary of State candidate hit the 18% mark.

    Similar results can be seen in South Carolina, Pennsylvania, Nevada, Louisiana, Kansas, Idaho, and Arizona — states as diverse as the US population itself.

    So what about federal races? It turns out that the media, as usual, got the story wrong. Races where Libertarian candidates received lots of media coverage saw good returns versus traditional Libertarian balloting in those districts, but our best performances were in areas with grassroots campaigning instead of big media endorsements.

  • http://BrazosLP.org Christopher Jagge

    Here in Brazos County (TX), we really pushed hard in one race. Libertarian Linda Wilbert won 19% (701 votes) in a three way race for Justice of the Peace. Democrat had 41%, Republican 39%. 148 vote margin for Democrat.

    I’m thrilled. When you work SMART, it pays off. Next time we just need more work. Simple. And we did everything on a shoestring.

    Overall, the Texas statewide candidates in two way races earned 20-23%. Usually they trend 12-15%. I don’t know how much “credit” the state party can take for this, as opposed to just anti-Republican sentiment in general, but I’m tickled pink overall. We maintained ballot access easily, and after a little rest, I hope we begin preparing for the 2007 legislative session (ballot access bills) and the 2008 election. Congratulations to all.

  • http://www.outrightusa.org Brian R. Miller

    Continued:

    In Texas, Gordon Strickland of Texas grabbed 21.3% of the vote for a seat in the House, Bob Smither won 18.8% of the vote to finish Tom DeLay’s term, and Michael Idrogo grabbed 12.6% of the vote. In Texas!

    In Arizona, Jason received 26% of the vote for House. In California, Camden McConnell received almost 17%. And the electoral list is peppered with similar performances for House and Senate seats in Indiana and Kentucky too.

    Some Libertarian party detractors will claim that this election wasn’t good for the party because we didn’t win the two high-profile federal races in Texas. They’re wrong.

  • http://www.outrightusa.org Brian R. Miller

    And finally:

    This election shows a broad increase in support for Libertarian candidates across the board. Libertarians receiving double-digit support for national seats in multiple states in a single election year is unheard-of. Libertarians have switched in performance from a party which typically denies Republicans or Democrats a victory by “spoiling” 5% of the vote to a party capable of attracting 15% or more of the vote in key elections across the country on a state and federal level.

    This is an *excellent* electoral performance and will position the LP quite well for the 2008 general elections, when the shine has worn off Democrats’ promises to undo the predations of the Bush administration. It will also guarantee continued (or new) major-party status in several states.

  • http://BrazosLP.org Christopher Jagge

    Correction to #107:

    Actually, looking at TX statewide numbers, our candidates made it into the 24% range. even better.

  • Julian

    I voted libertarian in Colorado. While voting, I felt very uncomfortable because the libertarian candidates, if you want the truth, are crackpots in this state.

    While voting, what was going through my mind was, “I must be a clown for voting for clowns”. Now, how the hell are libertarians supposed to win when those that run as libertarians are a joke?

    I guess when I go to the local libertarian drinking fests in the bars with the college students, we will still have our share of NAMBLAS and other sexual deviants there because the LP is the party of “anything goes”.

    I have tried to be open minded but most of those people are just too radical and unrealistic. According to them, I have nothing to offer. They know everything and are in charge of freedom. How can one person or one group of people have a monopoly on “proper” thinking?

    Those people sound more like the thought police than the thought police. Libertarians here are much more intolerant than D’s or R’s.

  • Julian

    Libertarianism looks good on paper. As I have said, so does Marxism, Socialism, Capitalism, the Constitution, flying to Mars by flapping your arms and the government blew up the World Trade Center.

    The LP will never be anything to mainstream voters except “just another fringe group of spoilers”. If every fringe Party were to consolidate into one third party, there still would be no power shift because the D’s and R’s would still outnumber all others.

    Guess what, people? If you want to really win elections as libertarians, guess where new members and voters must come from? Would it be the D’s and R’s? Yes. Most of you alienate those that have traditionally voted that way that it will take a whole new generation to be educated. Why don’t some of you quit pissing them off and invite them to become libertarians?

    For me, I am preparing for the revolution. Some of you that wear the L label will be welcome to join my tribe. Many of you won’t be welcome.

  • http://UnCivilDefence.blogspot.com MRJarrell

    Julian, the door is open to enter or leave. If you’re so damned unhappy that all libertarians aren’t cut from the same sack cloth then feel free to go somewhere else that suits you better. It’s still a marginally free country.

  • kcjerith

    While I am not sure I would consider this a victory for the LP-Frank Gilmour, US senate candiate from MO, helped screw the republican out of a vicotry. Took just enough, from the repub, so the ocrat could win

    http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/

  • TerryP

    Julian,

    I think we are actually more intolerant to fellow libertarians than we are to R’s and D’s. We hear things like if you are not 100% pure or you are from the LRC you are not a liberatarian. If you are against/for this one thing then you are not a libertarian and we need to purge you from the party. This only divides us instead of uniting us and marginalizes us as a party.

    As far as why our numbers come in below our polling is pretty simple. With a winner take all system, and a libertarian not having a chance to win, many of these votes that would have gone to a libertarian goes to the lesser of two evils. What we will hear in the media in the next few days is that certain third party candidates were spoilers and took votes away from their respective candidates. In fact, it is probably the opposite, because of our voting system the R’s and D’s took a lot more of our votes away then we took from them. Until we change our voting system libertarians will have a hard time

  • TerryP

    KCjerith,

    You could turn that around as well and say that the republican screwed us out of a win. Had he not been running and we gotten most of his votes and maybe even some from the democrat since many of those votes were just against the republican we would have won easily. The media won’t say that, but it is just as true as us stealing votes from the other two parties.

    If a person wanted to vote for the R in this case they would have. We didn’t take many if any of his votes. That is not the case for the L because of the “lesser of two evils” syndrome and the “no chance to win” syndrome. The R and the D likely took plenty of votes that would have rather gone libertarian.

  • http://www.reformthelp.org Carl

    Mike Nelson has asked for an excuse as to why the LP numbers didn’t bounce because of reforms. Some possibilities:

    1. The LPHQ did not trumpet the reforms. The press release after 2006 downplayed them. Rebranding takes effort.

    2. The membership oath is still there.

    3. The LP still calls for no immigration quotas and some other unrealistic positions.

    4. Reform won’t work because people don’t want even a moderate libertarian party. (That’s right, it is possible that the anti-reform forces are correct.)

    5. Reform won’t work because we have too many people like Mike Nelson in the party calling moderates “retarded.”

    If 4 is correct, let’s have a purge. Explain to people what the Oath means before they sign it. Ask those who are not anarchists to leave the party. Tell them up front that they don’t belong. Go back to being an educational organization.

    I don’t know which factor is correct.

  • Zander C

    Historically speaking, (look back at our track record previously) I think this was a fine year. Now we need to take the lessons we’ve learned here and move on. Today’s the day to start preparing for Nov 2008.

  • http://www.reformthelp.org Nick Wilson

    TerryP,

    That’s why I’m probably leaving. I can spend my time doing something more productive than quixotically hoping Libertarians will ever get along enough or shut up long enough to actually figure out a way which to attack our real enemies. As long as we aren’t making the rules, or at very least influencing them in major ways, how much “principle” we claim to have doesn’t mean a damn thing.

    It’s not principled to let unprincipled people continue to win. It’s not libertarian to create a party so polarizing and isolated that the only hope of winning enough moderates to shrink government hinges on some imaginary mass evangelization to the pure libertarian ideal.

    Claiming that anarchism is the only principled way to be a libertarian is like saying socialism is the only way to be compassionate to the poor or interventionism is the only way to protect national security. It’s a dirty, weighted fallacy and a battle I’m sick of and saddened by.

  • paulie

    DAP

    Also, I heart Lieberman.

    Xcuse me, had to go vomit.

    OK, I feel better now.

    BTW have you noticed how much Lie-berman looks like Senator Palpatine AKA the Emperor?

  • paulie

    So we didnt win anything in the house or senate. My question is this: did our numbers improve this year? If so, by how much?

    I do feel like the LP is doing more good things, but do our numbers reflect this?

    No. The LP did better in the last couple of comparable elections (1998 and 2002). So much for the supposed benefits of gutting the platform.

  • kcjerith

    Our problems, in most cases, is not our policies. It is our marketing, our lack of media attention, our lack of a grand statagety. I do agree that anarchism, while I am sympathic to thier ideas, should not determine LP platform stances, Though from the ones I have meant on here, I am much to fond of them to want to kick them out of the party (but that is just me).

    I am not sure how we could create a “moderate libertarian” platform without doing both of the following. 1. a party, that while it does take some different stances, looks a bit like a mesh of green/repubocrat. And at the end of the day we isolate more people that bring on board.
    2. We split the LP party as is. We lose whatever goodwill we have devopled with groups of voters, while not gaining new goodwill because they will assocaite “moderate LP” with the “old LP”

    Why not work on making this LP better, yes we are a bit hostile to the whole “reform LP” idea, and with some good reasons. That is no reason to jump ship(cont)

  • paulie

    Do Libertarians just not turn out to vote?

    Some do, some don’t.

    All of these were solid candidates, and polling above these numbers.

    Third party and independent candidates almost always poll a lot better than they end up doing. When it comes time to actually vote, the “wasted vote” syndrome gets us.

    Are the votes counted accurately? I once thought LP vote totals might be suppressed by those who did the counting, but if they don’t see us as a threat, why would they bother?

    No, the votes are not counted accurately.

    But while the cheating accounts for some of it, the systematic barriers account for a lot more.

  • paulie

    The marijuana legalization ballot initiatives were very close, but we didn’t win.

    We got 38.8% in CO and with 2/3 of the precincts reporting.
    We got 42.5% (compared to 39% in 2002) in NV with 7/17 of the precincts reporting.

    Apparently we also lost in SD. First statewide medical loss. I was worried that might happen, as hard as it was to circulate there.

    Bummer.

  • kcjerith

    (cont). What would be a more efftive use would be to contunie to work on this party, yes thier are nut jobs in the LP, but i igamine their are nut jobs in all the parties, even those who run for office. I still think a change in stratagy (and lots of ideas have been bounced around) would be helpful

  • paulie

    Only 15% of registered voters vote in the primaries. If 2/3 of those are for the dominant party in a state or district, just 5% of voters could place a stealth libertarian candidate on the ballot of the dominant major party. Even a blatantly obvious libertarian could still win if nominated in this way, since most voters pay very little attention.

    Aren’t there 5% libertarians out there?

    That’s not the correct question. The correct question is, are there 5% you can organize to turn out in a party primary election?

    The answer is not even close.

  • http://www.reformthelp.org Nick Wilson

    Congratulations to our candidates for making big strides this year. Even my parents voted for Libertarians for the first time. I think, if anything, the higher totals a sign of hope for libertarianism.

    But I feel like the electoral barriers created by a combination of radical ideology, historical political failure, personal acrimony/a gigantic ideological divide in the membership, having a base that doesn’t believe in real world politics, having more bitter ex-members than current members, etc. – not to mention electoral barriers, media resistance and other outside factors beyond our control – make me question if the LP itself can ever succeed. We tried to do our best with the LRC to at least change the parts we CAN do something about. And maybe we’ll keep trying for a little longer.

    But frankly, I feel like we’ve been holding a stillborn baby for a third of a century and trying to convince ourselves it’s alive. Meanwhile, the rest of the world keeps moving without us.

  • paulie

    Oh yeah, and for the fourth election in a row we punched the GOP in the nose real good – this time Frank Gilmour in MO is way more than the margin of difference in a critical Senate race. Margins are important because that’s what gets the demopublicans’ attention.

    I was waiting for someone to say something that deals with actual political reality. Thanks!

  • http://www.crazyforliberty.com Doug Craig

    Paulie
    We did about 50% better than 4 years ago in the same races.We caused 1 run off in a statewide race.We had fox Atlanta and the Atlanta Journal paper at the election party.We would haved liked to have done better, but we improved over last cycle with the same amount of money.We just need more people helping with campaign if we want to improve our numbers.

  • paulie

    Texas Results

    So does that mean we don’t have to petition there for 2008?

  • http://myspace.com/phuturesound Derrick

    Hang in there people. We got *lots* of double-digit results. That is a great showing, and a great baseline / starting point for the 2008 campaigns. Let’s get this party started…

  • Sandra Kallander

    The platform is irrelevant. We have a beautiful statement of principles. I’m thrilled. It’s obvious our numbers are up pretty much everywhere.

    Also, there are probably many more victories than are reported at LP.org. The list is very incomplete. I voted for 10 Libertarians on my California ballot, and that’s only in one precinct. Many of them were not listed on the Candidate Tracker.

  • paulie

    I think folks don’t understand what all we’re up against here. For all practical purposes”¦ it’s impossible. This leads people to build up unrealistic expectations and then they want to quit in disappointment after investing all the emotion and energy into the campaign. The worst part is that that makes people quit, like in Michelle’s case.

    I’m telling you folks, putting too much into elections at the neglect of all the others is deadly. The elections should be of tertiary concern right now. But nobody wants to listen. Look at the things we’re PRESENTLY good at: building coalitions of single issues campaigns. Drawing attention to certain issues.

    Exactly.

    You don’t walk into a mafia commission meeting with a water pistol and get a seat at the table. Sorry.

  • http://www.phillies2008.com George Phillies

    Gilmour in MO: Does anyone actually have any exit polling data showing whether he drew from the D or the R? In order to have made a difference in the race, he would have had to draw about 5-1 from the R. In the one case I know with good data (NJ governor some years back) the L drew 3:2 from the Democrat preferentially, leading to an R victory of Whitman.

  • http://darianworden.tripod.com D Worden

    I dont think anyone posted this, but a lot of propety rights initiatives passed: http://www.castlecoalition.org/media/releases/11_8_06pr.html

    And lp.org is reporting 7 winners right now, not 4 as Dondero said (I don’t know if the page has been updated since his post).

  • kcjerith

    George, we are still waitng for them to annouce the exit polls in detail, or I have yet to find them. But in years past the LP always gets quite a few of the repuiblcans. It might be different this year, but I doubt it

  • paulie

    The sorry fact is the Libertarians have acted as spoiler in a number of races, including it appears, Montana.

    That’s the best news all night, if true!

    I’ve studied the results all tonight, and what’s crystal clear to me, is that the American voting public has soundly rejected libertarian principles in this election. Everywhere Libertarian Party and Republican Liberty Caucus backed candidates have been soundly defeated.

    Joel Winters apparently won as a Democrat for NH legislature. Goodbye RLC, hello DFC.

    Americans want bigger government; thus they’ve voted resoundingly for the Democrats.

    False on several levels. For starters, the biggest issue was the war, and people voted for the perceived smaller government (anti-war) side. Also, against torture, wiretapping and the rest.

    Also, if you want to look at economic issues, government under the Bush/NSGOP regime grew even faster than under Demos. That was rejected as well!

    Kudos voters.

  • paulie

    Devious Dave, you’d have an excellent point that “licking the Republicans doesn’t get us anywhere”¦”

    Only one problem; Judging by the results on http://www.lp.org, the Libertarian Party has had a bad year, as well.

    Only LP victories; One Town Councilman in SC, and three Water & Soil Boards.

    That’s hardly inspiring.

    Face it, this is a huge loss for all of us. We’re in the same boat. The American public has spoken, and they have firmly rejected out limited government ideals.

    As I’ve been saying, it’s time to stop associating ourselves in the public mind with the right wing, Republican, conservitude side of things.

    If we want to win, we have to reclaim our original historic position on the left.

    http://mises.org/story/2099

  • paulie

    free state wyoming.

    free state new hampshire.

    voting with feet is looking better and better each day.

    If you’re going to vote with your feet, I would suggest leaving the US(S)A while you still can.

  • paulie

    If you want to really win elections as libertarians, guess where new members and voters must come from? Would it be the D’s and R’s?

    Julie’s analysis ignores the independent voters and the non-voting majority.

  • paulie

    While I am not sure I would consider this a victory for the LP-Frank Gilmour, US senate candiate from MO, helped screw the republican out of a vicotry.

    If it turns out to be true, I consider that a victory.

    Go LP, beat NSGOP!

  • paulie

    I think we are actually more intolerant to fellow libertarians than we are to R’s and D’s. We hear things like if you are not 100% pure or you are from the LRC you are not a liberatarian. If you are against/for this one thing then you are not a libertarian and we need to purge you from the party. This only divides us instead of uniting us and marginalizes us as a party.

    The problem is that there is more than one definition of libertarian. If you are not a 100% libertarian, you are not a 100% libertarian – but you can still be libertarian-leaning or an ally of liberty. We can build coalitions with allies of liberty without having to actually call them 100% libertarians.

    Standing up for what we believe in doesn’t marginalize us, it puts our position into consideration and energizes activists. You get it right in your second paragraph – see next post.

  • paulie

    As far as why our numbers come in below our polling is pretty simple. With a winner take all system, and a libertarian not having a chance to win, many of these votes that would have gone to a libertarian goes to the lesser of two evils. What we will hear in the media in the next few days is that certain third party candidates were spoilers and took votes away from their respective candidates. In fact, it is probably the opposite, because of our voting system the R’s and D’s took a lot more of our votes away then we took from them. Until we change our voting system libertarians will have a hard time

    This is the reason we are marginal, not our views.

  • Michelle Shinghal

    #95— Believe me- I am not quitting the LP. I do have to keep my word and resign as chair. It was a promise to my husband. (I really should have made a better deal 4 months ago) I saw some strong stuff in TX and I am getting started THIS week with a serious candidate. We are getting ready for the next election.

    (I am pouting and hoping my husband will release me from my debt. ;o)

  • paulie

    If 4 is correct, let’s have a purge. Explain to people what the Oath means before they sign it. Ask those who are not anarchists to leave the party. Tell them up front that they don’t belong.

    Carl,

    I’m not necessarily for “purging” y’all from the party because you are not 100% libertarian on all the issues, or because you favor an incremental strategy – which I think is one possibly valid way to go, but not the only possible one.

    It’s only when you actually try (and do) change the official LP stance on issues, or build non-libertarian views into LP campaigns, or try to run the 100% libertarians out of the party that I start to have a problem.

    But to the extent that you want to support libertarian poistions, I welcome your help, even if you’re only with us some of the way.

  • Michelle Shinghal

    Paulie— to answer your earlier question about ballot access in TX, we slammed it. We got something like 25% in a couple of state races. No petition necessary in TX.

  • paulie

    Our problems, in most cases, is not our policies. It is our marketing,

    Correct.