Georgia: Stupid Law of the Day

How can one tell when delusional people are about to go off the deep end? One indicator is that they might disregard reality at an increasing rate, further fueling their paranoid delusions, beginning a feedback cycle which quickly escalates until they have lost all contact with reality.

According to Atlanta’s WSB-TV, legislators in Georgia are currently in the state I just described. Not just content with propagating myths that recreational marijuana use causes white women to date jazz musicians or forces people to mainline heroin, they are also one of the states which doesn’t have the balls to take on the federal government by allowing for the compassionate use of medicinal marijuana. Now they are taking it one major step further:

Candy that’s flavored like marijuana would be outlawed under a bill proposed in the state Senate.

The effort, spearheaded by Sen. Vincent Fort, D-Atlanta, is one of several throughout the nation targeting increasingly popular candies marketed with drug-inspired names like Purple Haze and advertised with slogans such as, “Every Lick is Like Taking a Hit.”

Marketers call the treats a harmless novelty. But anti-drug advocates say they glorify drug use and encourage children to smoke pot.

“Should a 9 year old be able to go into a store and get a bag of chips, a soda pop and some dope candy?” said Fort, who announced his bill Thursday in the parking lot of an Atlanta convenience store where he said he bought the candy the day before. “That’s ridiculous.”

Actually, what’s ridiculous is that they are no longer content merely to outlaw products which contain THC (even when it saves lives), but they are now attempting to outlaw products which might even taste like marijuana. If this doesn’t deter marijuana smokers, what’s next? Do they plan to outlaw products which are colored the same as marijuana?

The real suckers are the people who continue to vote for politicians such as these.

posted by Stephen Gordon
  • Elise

    Children look to adults to “set the tone” for their lives. Children trust adults and think they are all powerful, all knowing. Children see things they know have been approved by adults and they figure, “it must be o.k.”

    Do you want to be part of the problem or part of the solution?

    If you allow companies like this to make money on “anything” what you are ultimately doing is contributing to society in a negative way. If you want to do that; go ahead, start a company that sells sprite in “alcohol looking” bottles and put them in areas where children will have access to them. Sell chocolate covered condoms.Go ahead, make money.

    If you want to contribute to the good of our society, you will protect children from the ugliness in this world like pot-flavored candy. The thought of someone giving a 5 year old child pot-flavored lollipop is appalling.

    We live in an information world,no matter how much we try to protect, they will get access to these things. Contribute positively.

  • ianbernard

    Government doesn’t protect, it enforces.

    Elise, you should be free to ostracize people you don’t like, and move close to people you agree with.

    The rest of us would like to live and let live.

  • Stephen Gordon

    We live in an information world,no matter how much we try to protect, they will get access to these things.

    Elise, doesn’t that negate the rest of your argument?

  • Elise

    Stephen,

    They can’t get access if the product doesn’t exist.

    Ian,

    Your comment makes no sense at all. There are zillions of instances where Georgia government tries to protect. They are trying to protect children with SB 390 (65% solution)Sonny Purdue’s “solution” to the education problem in GA. HA!

    Passing this law would help protect children from the negative influence of this product. What don’t you understand about that?

  • disinter

    Elise,

    You are correct, adults are a strong influence to children. A parent that doesn’t want a child to experience a pot-flavored sucker should have the ability to keep them from their children. On the other hand, if a parent doesn’t see the harm in it, they should have the ability to give them to their children. But to restrict a parents ability to parent as they see fit would serve no purpose other than to satisfy your egotistical whims. Besides, it is none of your damn business what other parents do.

  • Elise

    Thank you Mike for making my point so perfectly. You are part of the problem and not part of the solution in today’s society. Continue to be negative- I’m sure that is no problem for you and I hope one day it comes back to bite you when someone you love is negatively influenced by you.

    Maybe then you will give up your negative ways. Good luck to you. Bites do heal after all.

  • disinter

    Elise,

    So the solution is to force everyone to be mirror images of you and your morality? Scary.

  • Stephen Gordon

    I’ll state this one positively then (to be clear, I don’t smoke marijuana): I would prefer that my children smoke marijuana than drink alcohol. It is far less dangerous.

    Additionally, children emulate adult behavior. They pretend to smoke cigarettes and drink alcohol and even (heaven forbid) play doctor. Sticking one’s head in the sand won’t make such behavior disappear.

    When ridding the world of pretend lollipops, they will draw them with crayons. What is the next solution — banning green crayons?

  • disinter

    Elise,

    Speaking of coming back to bite you… have you stopped to consider that there may be other nutcases like you out there seeking to force their morality on everyone else and they just might pass a law forcing you to do something you don’t agree with?

  • Elise

    No Mike, I have many, many faults but being unkind and not caring for others is not one of them. Forcing people to do what they don’t want to do is not in my nature. Asking people to see the “bigger picture” of our world outside of themselves is more what I’m into. Working together, we could make the world better- bringing destructive influences into the world only brings us down. Pot flavored candy is a destructive influence for children. There is nothing positive in that.

    There are plenty of ways to make money without directing our society in a negative way. Only self-serving people have to bring themselves so low as to introduce such a negative influence on children.

    Take the “high” road Mike. (no pun intended) Be a do-gooder. I’m sure you would be a much happier person.

  • ianbernard

    > You are part of the problem

    What do you propose to do about it? I’ve smoked lots of pot, no big deal. It’s near harmless.

    If your answer is nothing, then I have no problem with you. I think you’re part of the problem, but I promise to never pass laws against you.

  • Elise

    Stephen,

    My last comment.

    You don’t have kids do you? If you did, you would say you wouldnt want them to use drugs or alcohol at least until they were adults. When they are adults, they have a choice. We can help shape those choices while they are young by presenting positive choices in their lives.

    That’s all I ask.

    At the very least, you guys should support the idea that these Pot pops are sold only in liquor stores. Thanks for the lively exchange.

    Good night! Elsie

  • http://blog.joseph-a-nagy-jr.us Joseph A Nagy Jr

    you know, I can respect other people’s viewpoints, except when they suggest that they know better then I do (and I never pretend to know better then they do). We all know what is good for ourselves and for our offspring and try to pass that on. Elise, you think pot is bad. Most everyone else here would probably disagree (myself included). Not only is pot not bad, it is positively great. It has been the only thing for the past 30 years to keep Steven Kubby alive. How is that a bad thing? Would you rather see him die just as long as you can keep away the demon pot? He’s currently taking Marinol, but as I understand it, it’s not nearly as effective as marijuana. Why? Because of the interactions of all of the chemicals in marijuana, not just the THC.

    Don’t worry, though, Elise. As Ian said, we’ll never pass laws against you.

  • Josh

    Marijuana is one of the most amazing substances on Earth. I would much rather my kid smoke pot than consume more harmful drugs like caffeine or alcohol. The high fructose corn syrup that children consume in massive quantities is much more harmful than marijuana. The pesticides that children eat from non-organic veggies is more harmful than pot.

    Those who buy the b.s. that marijuana is harmful have been thoroughly brainwashed and are unable to think for themselves. We live in a society where ignorance is the norm. So in that regard, Elise, you are quite normal!

  • Elise

    Our discussion had nothing to do about weather or not adults should use pot. Pot use among adults is not the topic.

    Our discussion revolves around what is best for children. If you think children should be exposed to pot or alcohol and encouraged to use them in anyway- you’ve warped your mind with too much pot. Having any kind of intelligent conversaton with you is pointless.

  • Graham

    it’s always fun reading comments in response to a comment that doesn’t exist.

  • http://360.yahoo.com/pong_god Robert Mayer

    I guess I missed the Elise post to which everyone is replying. Was it removed?

  • Stephen Gordon

    I don’t know what happened to the original Elise comment, but this is what it said:

    Children look to adults to “set the tone” for their lives. Children trust adults and think they are all powerful, all knowing. Children see things they know have been approved by adults and they figure, “it must be o.k.”

    Do you want to be part of the problem or part of the solution?

    If you allow companies like this to make money on “anything” what you are ultimately doing is contributing to society in a negative way. If you want to do that; go ahead, start a company that sells sprite in “alcohol looking” bottles and put them in areas where children will have access to them. Sell chocolate covered condoms.Go ahead, make money.

  • Stephen Gordon

    original Elise comment continued:

    If you want to contribute to the good of our society, you will protect children from the ugliness in this world like pot-flavored candy. The thought of someone giving a 5 year old child pot-flavored lollipop is appalling.

    We live in an information world,no matter how much we try to protect, they will get access to these things. Contribute positively.

  • Elise

    Funny how this website so cleverly “lost” all my comments and is now trying to add back “portions” of them.

    Can’t stand to lose a good battle?

    What good is a website that tries to hide what was really being said?

  • disinter

    Why were Elise’s posts removed??

  • Stephen Gordon

    Mike – I dunno what happened. Probably one of us accidently hit the delete link when they got her comment in their e-mail.

  • Elise

    imagine that!

  • Elise

    Touched a nerve with the “kid” question huh Stephen?

    Maybe it will make you re-evaluate your choices. I hope so

  • http://www.savesmallschools.org/jake/ Jake Porter

    Accidentally? Using WordPress, if I remember correct you have to check a box and then click delete after clicking the link in your e-mail. And it happened to more than one comment I believe.

    Anyway, good job about reposting the comments.

  • lace

    What happened Jake is that Elise touched a nerve with Stephen when she asked him if he had kids or not. She pointed out that if he has kids, he should not be advocating pot or alcohol for them and he got ticked off and decided to delete all her comments.

    Pretty lame if you ask me!

    I do think she had a good point- keep this stuff away from kids!

  • Michael Hampton

    I found Elise’s comments and got them all (I think) restored.

  • http://www.opentorrent.org Open Torrent

    They can’t get access if the product doesn’t exist.

    No worries Elise… next on the agenda is burning books… ahhh how nice it will be when there is no public / political dissent!

  • http://libertarianyouth.blogspot.com Nigel Watt

    Elise, you are an idiot.

    OK, that made me feel better.

  • Stephen Gordon

    Elise’s commnets appear to have been deleted by the spam engine we are using. The only ones we delete around here are spam, illegal threats and the like. We welcome honest debate, such as this.

  • Stephen Gordon

    Now that they are restored, I’ll answer that I have two children. One is in grad school, the other on college break. Both have smoked marijuana.

    I should add that the mj seems to have hurt my son a lot. He only understands 39 or so languages, speaking probably only 10 of them fluently. He only got several hundred full scholarship opportunities for college. He only had two majors (math and german) and one minor (spanish) when he graduated from a private liberal arts program (Mercer University in Macon). He is only getting a 30K or so stipend while getting a full ride at grad school right now. Just think what he could have accomplished without the weed…

  • Stephen Gordon

    Elise,

    Phohobition of alcohol or marijuana never worked. What makes you think you can prohibit candy successfully.

  • http://libertarianyouth.blogspot.com Nigel Watt

    Yeah, dabbling in light drugs (alcohol and mj) in high school really hurts kids…that’s why I’m skipping my senior year of high school to major in Environmental Engineering at Cornell University.

  • Elise

    Stephen,

    I am so impressed with your son’s accomplishments. Why don’t you and he start speaking at elementary schools about how great pot is! Heck, why wait till high school, sounds to me that you definetly believe young people should be smoking pot in order to do well in school.

    I’m done with you “idiots.” I really thought we might be able to have a good discussion about this but anybody that thinks its ok for kids to drink and do drugs is definelty insane. You are a waste of my time and anyone els’s for that matter.

    For your information, I am not a Republican, was raised as a Unitarian with very liberal views and believe adults should be able to do whatever they want as long as it doesnt hurt others. You would be shocked to believe that I would agree with you on lots of issues (using pot for medicinal purposes) but because you see nothing wrong with protecting children from using drugs and alcohol, you are a low life in my opinion.

  • Elise

    I meant to say, “because you cannot support the idea of protecting children from using drugs and alcohol, you are a low life in my opinion.”

  • http://chrisbennettfromillinois.blogspot.com/ Chris Bennett

    Elise,

    I attended a UU congregation back in New Jersey years ago. It seems like the consenus of the UU perspective was that the government can solve everything in lieu of increasing laws and taxes. As a Libertarian it made me puke! Being tolerant of others doesnt mean forcing others to abide by YOUR rules whether they are good or not. Humans do not work like that way and as you’ve read here Elise we all disagree with your perception of government should be. We are followers of Locke and Rousseau not Hobbes and Marx!

  • Stop Chronic Candy

    CHRONIC CANDY

    • Chronic Candy (Kronic Kandy) is manufactured by food companies in Amsterdam and Germany. It is packaged with images of bright green marijuana leaves. The product taste like marijuana and produces a “buzz” sensation when used.

    • The company and product names use pot-related slang commonly associated with marijuana including Acapulco Gold and Sticky Icky Skunk.

    • Chronic (Kronic) candy, which is packaged like a lollipop, is being targeted in a number of communities, particularly in minority communities.

    • Chronic (Kronic) candy is sold like marijuana in ‘nickel bags’ and are sold in smoke stores, some community or convenient stores and over the internet nationwide.

    KEY CONCERNS

    • Chronic (Kronic) Candy and other marijuana flavored products is a threat to youth because it gives the false impression that marijuana is fun and safe.

    • Products such as Chronic (Kronic) Candy and other marijuana flavored products packaged as lollipops can fall into the hands of unsuspecting youth and can serve as a gateway product for future marijuana use.

    • Merchants who sell this product are promoting marijuana and are creating new customers for marijuana and other drug dealers.

  • Michael Hampton

    In Italy, children do indeed drink alcohol, under parents’ supervision, and I guarantee you have never heard anything bad come of it. The reason is, there’s nothing wrong with it, if like all things, it’s done in moderation. Drinking to excess is going to cause you a problem regardless of age.

    Elise, you aren’t protecting children from anything; if you deny them alcohol or drugs because the government lied to you and made you believe they were bad, and if you mislead children about the nature of drugs and alcohol, then you’re abusing the children.

  • Michael Hampton

    But marijuana is fun and safe! You haven’t been listening to the lies of those government bureaucrats who would be out of a job if the truth came out, have you?

  • http://libertarianyouth.blogspot.com Nigel Watt

    Marijuana’s safe as long as you don’t drink at the same time.

  • Michael Hampton

    Clearly, then, we need to outlaw all liquids!

  • Elise

    Your real smart Michael telling the world about your love for pot. It’s not going to be too funny when in your paranoid, drug induced state, someone knocks on your door to arrest you for all your illegal fun. You won’t be having fun then!

  • Elise

    I know you guys keep spamming me out but you at least need to give Michael my last e-mail.

  • Stephen Gordon

    Elise,

    As I stated before, I don’t do illegal drugs, and have no indication that my son does tham very often. My point is that prohibition does not work.

    One of my favorite religious jokes goes:

    Q: Why don’t Southern Baptists allow for premarital sex?

    A: Because it might lead to dancing.

    Prohibition of things people wish to do simply does not work.

  • Elise

    It’s children we are talking about Stephen-CHILDREN!!!

    This is about the children Stephen.

    THE CHILDREN.

  • paulie cannoli

    kumbaya, state guns….kumbaya…

  • http://www.psychopolitik.com b-psycho

    It’s actually about the parents, Elise. The parents being increasingly marginalized by smarmy, self righteous politicians who think that one cannot be concerned with how their culture is going unless they want a huge government schlong inserted in it at all times in response.

    Your arguement against the candy as somehow putting thoughts in kids heads assumes that anything short of passing a law has no effect. I don’t know about you, but when I was growing up I didn’t care about the law, I cared about what my parents would do to me if I crossed THEM; whether it was legal or not, if they disapproved I didn’t do it, period. If you sincerely believe that any moral compass not run by the State is worthless, then I can’t posibly imagine you raising any children you have with any sense.

  • http://libertarianyouth.blogspot.com Nigel Watt

    http://libertarianyouth.blogspot.com/2006/02/its-uncle-sam-and-not-dad-for-reason.html

    Elise, you can choose to shelter your own children as much as you like. They’ll be incorrigible fuckups, but it’s your choice. Let other people raise their children how they like.

  • n_pickle

    Elise, it’s 2 days later, and I’ve read through, & not been lost once, m.i.a. comments that is. I do have a few things to say here. As for the candy, let them have candy. Did you ever do anything in your childhood that wasn’t so smart? and are you irrevocably screwed up because of it? I didn’t think so. you’re problem with reality lies in your upbringing. The phrase “some people’s children” should really read “some people’s parents” They are the ones who should be teaching these kids right & wrong, when were they relieved of the responsibility? Seems in today’s society, parents will blame anyone else, pass laws against and do anything to keep the blame off the fact that they just didn’t give a crap and teach their kids properly. Kids find “taboo” items soooo much more enticing than if you inform them of why its bad or why its good. I’ve worked at a liquor store and as a bartender, and I have a child, she has been to both places of work, and knows, alcohol is not for children, it is for adults to make the decision if they want to drink or not, and she is still in grade school, & has known this for the last 5+ yrs. Imformation is the best tool – for or against. She is often told, do your research on it, then make an educated opinion. I am not going to give her a pot pop, but i will ask her to research the effects of the oils/ingred. before eating one. IT’S FRIGGIN CANDY!! Ya know, the stuff you send KIDS out to BEG off of STRANGERS – DOOR TO DOOR – atleast ONCE A YEAR (halloween) CANDY, that’s all it is. Nothing more. “A rose by any other name, would smell as sweet” W. Shakespeare.

  • Jim

    She’s my child…not yours. I will will raise her…not you. I will teach her the values the I think are right and wrong…not you. Stay away from my child American Goverment.

  • n_pickle

    Mike – as far as the “nutcases” out there… I’ve comprised a short list for you…. Politicians; current government officials; the overtly religious; and self-proclaimed “Do-Gooders”… they are the ones ruining… I mean running this country.
    I’m not sure whatever happened to “The land of the FREE” free to make choices for ourselves, as long as we are not causing harm to others. Free to do what we will in our own homes. Freedom in the pursuit of happiness… all beliefs on what this country was exiling the tyranny of England for, foundations of a new free world. It wasn’t til the 1970’s that politicians had used pot as a tool & deemed it “Bad” (& I think that was to win votes). Just a little food for thought.

    Elise one more thing… you said “Forcing people to do what they don’t want to do is not in my nature.” I’d like to know which side o fthe fence you’re really on here… because a little further down the page you wrote… “I’m done with you “idiots.” I really thought we might be able to have a good discussion about this but anybody that thinks its ok for kids to drink and do drugs is definelty insane” no one (that I’ve read) has said they tell kids to drink and do drugs, they’ve been saying they should/will (as kids tend to do) whatever they want regardless of what others say, making something a taboo item only pushes the desire to try it. Informing them of the ups & downs is what needs to be done, then, let them make their own INFORMED decisions and hope they choose the right ones, and love them regardless, because they are an individual, not a mindless clone brainwashed by the gov’t, and the self-righteous do-gooders of America – the land of the (not-so)Free.

  • Ian C

    Morality enforced is morality lost.

    Effective child-raising is done by parents, not government.

    Emily: have you considered that perhaps a cigar is sometimes just a cigar? Or that what you believe is harmful others might not believe to be such?

    Let’s say for a second that everyone here is in agreement that marijuana is green arsenic. (STIPULATE IT PEOPLE).

    You say kids will use it and the only thing that’s stopping them is the American Government.

    I say that the only thing stopping 10-14 yo’s from using it is their parents. When they do, instead of trusting the schools to do so.

  • Ian C

    Corrolary:

    Emily — the desire to protect the young of the nation is a sound, moral desire. It’s a healthy and sane one.

    The tactics of supporting laws that restrict even the presence of it… that is the exact mentality that makes it okay to kill people over cartoons.

    No, that is not an exaggeration. It is not an inflammatory statement.

    It is as follows: One group’s morality forbidding the behaviors of others who do not share that mentality, in a violent manner — despite the total lack of physical harm to the original group.

    Kids who smoke or drink — not necessarily a good thing. But as has been pointed out; other countries allow it with no breakdown of society.

    Just some food for thought; we can either be free in mind, or in chains in fact.

    What’s your choice?

  • Ian C

    Morality enforced is morality lost.

    Effective child-raising is done by parents, not government.

    Emily: have you considered that perhaps a cigar is sometimes just a cigar? Or that what you believe is harmful others might not believe to be such?

    Let’s say for a second that everyone here is in agreement that marijuana is green arsenic. (STIPULATE IT PEOPLE).

    You say kids will use it and the only thing that’s stopping them is the American Government.

    I say that the only thing stopping 10-14 yo’s from using it is their parents. When they do, instead of trusting the schools to do so (which has a fairly high failure rate).

    Is marijuana a destructive element? I honestly don’t know. I’ve never touched it. Is it moreso than, say, alcohol? Alcohol destroys lives. Marijuana does as well?

    But I will end with this:
    We can either be wholly free, or wholly subjugated.

  • jerry t. searcy

    “Our message is to children to be clear and unambiguous, using drugs and alcohol is not okay for people. There’s nothing clear or cool about the taste of marijuana,” Loren Eischeid of the Georgia PTA told lawmakers.

    O.K. Loren…be consistent,make alcohol illegal in Georgia!
    Oh, I forgot…America tried that. The result was drive-by killings, massive funding for barbaric gangs, bribery of government officials, etc. In other words…the same result we are getting from making marijuana and other drugs illegal!
    He (or she) who refuses to learn from history are condemmed to make the same mistake.
    Jerry T. Searcy

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  • mary o

    All the government is doing is creating chaos and they know it. You can’t have a new world order without it.