Fort Worth police declares war on high school ‘groups of males’

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If you are a male in or around a Forth Worth High School, do not, I repeat, DO NOT gather in a group. Such behaviour is considered threatening to your local police and you risk being shot:

Police say a school monitor and a Fort Worth police officer who is assigned to the school saw a group of males near the rear of the campus, which is at 6100 McCart.

According to police, when the people in the group saw the officer approaching, they became irate. When the officer tried to detain one of the suspects, the rest of the group jumped the officer and the monitor.

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During the struggle, a shot was fired and hit a 16-year-old boy. Police say it’s not clear whether the shot came from the officer’s gun or from another gun.

Well that’s strange, because a completely different news source has this to say:

Texas Police say an officer shot and wounded a 16-year-old boy at high school today in Fort Worth.

The boy was taken to an area hospital after the shooting at South Hills High School. A police spokesman declined to answer additional questions.

Looks to me like somebody forgot to insert the official police propaganda into their “story”. I am curious as to why they didn’t bother to get the other side’s version.

If you have children in the public meat grinder, you may want to consider getting them the hell out.

posted Sep 8th, 2006 by disinter
  • http://www.crazyforliberty.com Doug Craig

    I do not understand why we continue to send our children to government schools.My three year old started private school last week. The cost $100.00 per month (only 3 days a week).Sending your kids to government schools has to be bordering on child abuse.In Georgia everyone was excited because we moved to number 46( out of 51 ) on the SAT scores. This only happen because FL and Penn students scored worse.Everyone was giving credit to the state.

  • Geek

    Jumping a cop isn’t an effective or smart response. If you jump a cop when you aren’t in danger, you deserve to get shot.

  • luis garcia

    man i am a student at south hills i witnessed the whole thing, and the cop shot in to thin air and hit my friend, and it wasnt a fight they were gonna go to a fight at the park, but i guess they turned back, thats were the cop got the older male in hand cuffs. and then the campus monitor was gettin da older males brother and thats wehn the older male startin yelling out “c’mon jumpin help him” and they did. so then every body started to hit him. and then officer Medrano took out his gun and shot it into thin air, and hit my friend Edgar Ramirez. and he wasnt even doing anything. and man the stupid cop wasnt even holding the gun right he was holding it w/ one hand and the other hand was on the older male. after my friend got shot i went up to him and wraped my shirt around him, man i was scared because he turned pale all of a sudden. but he was ok i was there talkin to him untill the principals and the paramedics. came but i think he should get a lawyer on the fort worth police.

  • http://hammeroftruth.com phill beckman

    i think that its funny that people seem so quick to blame the police for everything. of course its also funny that the same people that blame the police for everything generally come from one of two camps. the yuppie/rich/news group(sorry i know that all news people are not rich or yuppies, but they fit so well with the crowd) and the criminals. of course criminals dont like the police…the police put them in jail…for committing crimes…often against the yuppie/rich/news group…but what confuses me is why the yuppie/rich/news group seems so intent on blaming the police for everything. i think it can probably be narrowed down to either a life spent watching to many movies…or possibly just a lack of wheaties…probably the movies though

  • http://hammeroftruth.com phill beckman

    oh yeah…and if someone that you knew had been shot…while performing a duty…(police/fireman/soldier/marine/airman/sailor) you who are so quick to judge with so little information to base your uninformed and brash statements on would probably see why the rest of us think that your foot is inserted deeply into your throat. maybe…just maybe…to report the news has more to do with being a sensationalist and creating an uproar than with telling the truth (which by the way has not yet been reported since at this point none of it has been released to the news)

  • http://hammeroftruth.com phill beckman

    and also…before you simply remove my statements from your website for whatever vague capricious reasons seem reasonable at the time remember this…the next time you need the police you will sure be hoping that they arrive quickly…especially if the criminals (whom you seem so intent on siding with) are threatening you. perhaps you should go to your local police sector and ask to do a ride in…see that your police are just men and women like you who’s main goal of the day is to do the best that they can at everything they undertake and to go home alive at the end of a shift. also…maybe before speaking unkindly about a man who has spent twenty-one years serving this city and protecting its citizens you should gather more information than what is said on channel 8 nightly news.

  • http://hammeroftruth.com phill beckman

    and also…consider this…is it possible that your above statements (being that they are inflamatory) might possibly cause a member of the street gang which was involved in the above discussed (albeit poorly) shooting to retaliate against police officers in a different location. if it is at all possible then you should think about that every day before you go to work…imagine that simply being in your chosen profession made you a target of the cruelest and most heartless of citizens(or non citizens) for harm and mistreatment…imagine that everyday that you go to work you are painfully aware that you may not make it to the drive home…may not ever kiss your little girl…or hold your son…or make love to your wife ever again…imagine that for just a moment and then imagine that some uniformed and highly agitated “loose cannon” was out there spouting words of hate towards you and your fellow coworkers and possibly inspiring acts of violence towards you…how would you feel?

  • http://hammeroftruth.com phill beckman

    so go ahead…erase my comments…take them away so that no one else can read them…that would be fine with me…i only hope that you have read them yourself…that they have made some sort of connection to you…i hold nothing against you personally…you are only writing out of a lack of understanding…it is commonly said that people are afraid of what they do not understand…and it is out of fear that you have written your column…fear of “big brother” fear of “bad cops” fear of “government”…and so i want you to know that i am afraid to sometimes…the difference between us is simple: you read or hear the news on the tv or the radio and then write about your personal “impression” of whatever the reporter has said…myself and the thousands of other law enforcement personnel in this country enter into deadly situations on a daily basis with only a few short words given to us to describe those situations often spoken in panic over a phone to a 911 operator…then we make news…

  • DP

    wow, spam central. Please don’t censor Phill, even though he’s simply making an argument that isn’t the point.

    Phill, The point is that the police are the enforcement arm of a corrupt government. A police officers’ job is to enforce the laws of his country (or state, county, town, et al), right? If the law is unjust, (and any law that empedes the freedom of the individual is just that, unjust) then those that step on that freedom by enforcement will get the lions’ share of the outrage.

    *****SARCASM ALERT*****
    *****FREE SPEECH ZONE AHEAD*****

    As for the ride-in, I doubt my local PD wants to share their pot with me. Why would I willingly share mine with them?

  • JR

    I am a citizen of Fort Worth, and I can say I was not all that surprised when I read the article. All of my Fort Worth police experiences have been subpar, and I’ve never been on the “receiving end,” if you take my meaning. They take a very long time to respond, are useless when they do, and never follow up when they say they will.

    That said, we don’t know the whole story yet. I don’t think that we can make much of a judgement one way or the other on this until we do. It’s entirely possible they were trying to kill the officer at the time. On the other hand, it’s entirely possible that the officer “felt like shootin’ some Mexicans.” We just don’t know, and I’m not going to condemn him just yet until we find out exactly what happened.

    “Innocent until proven guilty,” anyone?

  • http://hammeroftruth.com phill beckman

    In response to “DP” I thank you for your efforts to preserve my right to “not be sensored”… However I must ever delicately point out that the argument you have made is that the “point” is political…You must understand that to say this is to remove yourself personnally from the situation and to stand on the outside looking in…There are some of us for whom that is not a luxury we can possess…For some these situations (as unfortunate as they are) are a matter of life and death as upposed to a political platform to put forth a political agenda…my “point” sir is not in any way to disagree with your political views but to point out to many who may have simply not seen from our perspective…every life is precious…no matter how old or young…no matter if the life has been tainted with prison or lived in peace with the law…every life is precious.

  • Rob

    I like how they are saying that they can’t rule out another shooter, though they are saying that the gang didn’t have guns..

  • cuddy

    tell me this phill. if everyone in your police department turned a blind eye to the deliberate and obvious missuse of power amoungst cops and abuse would you have the courage to speak out?

  • ssjlonewolf

    most police treat most people 18-21 like shit, esspically people of minority. I’ve met a few cops in phoenix and I’ve only had two good experiences with them, and phoenix is at the top of the list when it comes to crime. For doing somthing minor I’ve been treated less than an indivisual to say the least. I relize that cops are in tone to defend themselves, but unless he’s getting beatin on, no one deserves to be shot. A perfectly athletic cop(sarcasam…) should able to fend off 4 to five teenagers. I don’t give a fuck, if i can do it at 15 a 24-30 year old should be able to as well….

    Good fucking luck explaining to the parent that you shot her child. I like cops I don’t like the attitude they bring with them.

  • FreeMe2Partake

    Phil, I hear what you are saying. You have a dangerous job and feel that your efforts are not appreciated. However, there are a lot of bad cops, we hear about all the time. I can’t see how so many cops think they can act the way they do. Where are the good cops, when bad cops do what they do? The police are trained to be observant. How can so many bad cops think they can get away with abusing their powers? The good cops turn their heads. Until the good cops of America make a statement about corrupt, dishonest and power mad cops you will continue to be judged harshly by the public! Another point I would like to make. I come from a small town in West Virginia. A couple of years ago the local police department started dressing like Rambo. This sends a very bad message to the public. Its just too close to jack booted Nazis for me. Especially for a small town where they should look more like Barney Fife! Phil I know we must have police. But the police must police themselves!

  • QuickSlushie

    Ssjlonewolf first of all a cop shouldn’t have to defend himself against 4 to 5 teenagers, if they had had a little more respect for the cop this wouldn’t have happened. Second of all from what i’ve noticed about minorites Natives, Chinese, Black fit the general norm that has been givin to them by society. Just the other day I’m walking down the sidewalk minding my own busniesses and a fucking native starts trying to fight me. Same with alot of black people that think there wannabe gansters or something. If it has been reported there was a gun possible amongest these individuals which there probably was the officer had a right to have his gun out. If they jumped him with a gun in his hand I think those teens are a bunch of retards

  • disinter

    “Innocent until proven guilty,” anyone?

    Try telling that to the kid that got shot.

  • Geek

    So what are we advocating here? Violent protest?

    Here’s what I see as happening:

    1. Cop sees a group of teens.
    2. Cop details one teen.
    3. The other teens attack.
    4. Cop shoots one of the teens.

    Whether or not the detaining of the original teen was just, that doesn’t give the rest of the teens the right to attack. There’s a reason that we have courts and judges.

    Libertarians aren’t anarchists.

    The more I read this site the more I think you are the latter and not the former.

  • Julian

    Luis Garcia

    You are a good example of the utter failure of public education. What the hell are you saying? Did you forget to learn English composition or did your public school teachers forget to teach it to you? I believe it is both so you accept some of the responsibility.

    God help us all. To think you and your generation will one day be in charge of something somewhere.

  • Stephen

    I love when teenagers give commentary on law enforcement.

    If you don’t want to get shot, don’t attack a man with a gun.

    Seems pretty simple to me.

  • Raffy

    Yeah, stupid kids….I agree with Stephen…what the hell do you expect to happen from an attacked officer?

  • http://freelancify.com Nigel Watt

    The kid that got shot wasn’t attacking the officer, if we believe Luis.

  • Jessie

    Dont you people get it. The main point of the story is how propaganda is used to eliminate the truth, it’s done every day. Notice the american flags being flown everywhere. If people were told the truth about our government and not told just what they want us to know then the situation would be totally different.

  • JR

    Mike,

    Point taken. However, it’s a good assumption most of us believe in the right to defend oneself using deadly force. Shouldn’t the police have the same right, regardless of being in uniform?

  • RedSaBre

    I think officer Medrano did the right thing well almost the right thing he should of done the job right and shot the lot of them …. would of put a stop to the yobby little shits trying to sue the police force :D

  • Steve

    We all have the right to defend ourselves, but if you’re a law abiding citizen you also know that it’s with necessary force, and not deadly force. Once you’ve gotten your attacker to back off, you’re not allowed to continue beating him.

    Some questions that should be asked is, what time of day was it, was school in session, or where these teens trespassing at night on the schools property. What were the teens doing to cause the officer to aproach them in the first place.

    I’ve seen a lot of police confrontations, but I’ve never seen an officer make an arrest for no reason. Occasionally they’ll arrest you for “disturbing the peace” just to prevent you from doing something worse.

    Anyways I’m saying thier is a lot of missing information and if the cop was jumped by 5 teens, he had every right to defend himself. And if one of the teens got shot, it’s his fault for sticking around in an obviously bad situation. Although it is unfortunate if the teen that was shot wasn’t even a problem.

  • Steve

    Lastly, in the article it says when the teens saw the officer approaching they became Irate. If your immediate responce is agressive when you see a cop approach, thier is something wrong with you.

    Sometimes it’s better to be arrested then shot. If your innocent tell it to the judge.

  • disinter

    Geek,

    So you are saying that if someone was threatening you with violence, whether or not it was just, you don’t have the right to defend yourself because the courts will somehow magically protect you? There’s not much to protect once you are dead or otherwise violated.

  • disinter

    Jessie,

    I do believe that you are the only one that understood it.

  • mike b

    i personally hate cops, i have never had a good experience with any of them. i have family members that are police officers, and yes i love them dearly, but if i never knew them, i would feel the same way towards them if i saw them on the street. people dont have to be police, they choose to be police. most police officers are in it for the power trip. “i want a gun, and the right to shoot anyone i want.. as long as i make it seem just. i also want to drive a cop car around, and intimidate everyone i see. i want to tailgate (which is against the law) and refrain from using traffic laws like my directional or stop signs. i will also speed excessively and run red lights. i WANT people to HATE me. all the more reason to prosecute!” cops are cowboys that have no laws

  • mike b

    and also, i dont care who you are. if you point a gun at me or threaten my life in any way, i have the right to retaliate.

  • disinter

    mike b,

    I agree. The notion that we need people to protect us from ourselves has always baffled me.

  • mike b

    police are essentially a SCAM

  • disinter

    Libertarians aren’t anarchists.

    Then they are statist. This reminds of a something Ayn Rand once said:

    “I most emphatically advocate a black-and-white view of the world. Let us define this. What is meant by the expression “black and white”? It means good and evil. Before you can identify anything as gray, as middle of the road, you have to know what is black and what is white, because gray is merely a mixture of the two. And when you have established that one alternative is good and the other is evil, there is no justification for the choice of a mixture. There is no justification ever for choosing any part of what you know to be evil.”

  • http://www.boortz.com Quis

    Phil and Julian are right. Everything the brave officers do is fer da chilldern, fer da childern!!! Government schools are temples of virtue and learning and you all should be ashamed for putting them down. And the fact that our government schools are manned with cops, drug sniffing dogs, metal detectors and that random locker searches and random drug tests of those participating in extraciricular activites is a testament to just how much our rulers love da chilldern!

  • mike b

    FER DA CHILLDERN!!!! hahaha this made me chuckle

  • http://www.boortz.com Quis

    Mike b, we should all be grateful for our FREE government run education. Be glad our rulers care enough to educate us! It’s no laughing matter!

  • mike b

    quis in response to your statement, do you not realize it is not up to our “rulers”, but in the hands of the people? our governments should be AFRAID of us, not the other way around. I am grateful that there is education, but my thanks does not go to our “rulers”.

  • Adel

    2pac said it best…fuck the 5’0

  • A

    YES we should get rid of both the government and the police. Then we can have a “ruler” system based on the Mad Max movies. Great idea! These articles are not an example of “propaganda”–just miscommunication. If you have any experience in dealing with reporters then you know you have about a 50/50 chance of them getting it right/keeping you in context. If you still want to insist that there is “propaganda” being inserted in the first story, then you could very well say the same about the second, since it so clearly comes out to put the police officer at fault, even when it is too early to know all of the details. I don’t know, maybe he was there and saw the entire thing! Get real.

  • jon

    luis garcia, your an idiot. “the cop wasnt holding the gun properly, only with one hand? he should of shot the whole group. you and your friends are all idiots

  • Julian

    Quis

    RE COMMENT 35:

    What are you talking about me being for the officer and schools???? Read my comment closely. Maybe you too attended public schools as you failed to understand what I wrote. My remark was an attack on public education, not a defense.

    I am one that is convinced public education has failed miserably. Education should be market driven and competitive, not a government monopoly with taxpayers forced to support them, primarily property owners at the local level and income taxes filtered down from the federal level.

    I also believe those who are disruptive and the gangsters who interfere with the rights of students pursuing an education should be permanently expelled. If the student refuses to participate, expel. If he/she randomly attends classes and has poor attendance for no good reason, expel.

    Teach those that want to learn, the hell with the rest of them.

    If it proves to be true the cop was attacked by a pack of teenagers, I support the cop.

  • http://freelancify.com Nigel Watt

    The point is, though,the kid who was shot was an innocent observer. Had he shot one of the morons who jumped him, that would be something different.

  • http://torrentspy.com ed

    to the cops in the states.do you think your job is to:protect all americans equally? to: protect business before people, to:enforce the law wether or not it is in the best intrests of the people? when you all go to bed tonight,look in the mirror and know that bush, rumsfeld,rice,cheney and afew others have to go because 1ST to go main population,armies next, poison or nukes.who’s gonna feed em possible rebellion.next cops except for SS plants.Selected CIA,FBI,Elite SS. WHO of you are going to die or live.Twin towers:Alot of firemen and police died there.how many more before the law of reason demands answers and changes? maby your kid being raped by pedophile s in high places.You know deep inside what and who i’m talking about.God bless the cops who looked at the evidence before they blamed someone.EVIDENCE!EVIDENCE!You’re cops right?

  • http://hammeroftruth.com james

    to mike b, quis, and mike nelson…how about the people that are paid to protect u from urselves just quit then…the next time u get robbed or your car gets stolen…or u get in a car accident u may change ur mind about that…as to mike b and quis…geez fellas somebody needs to bring u back to reality…cops didnt put themselves in the school system…the violence of the student population did…years ago there was not a problem with kids bringing guns to school…or drugs…now there is…ask the teachers who have been teaching in city schools for years…there has been a decline…and also to quote a noted gangster (2pac) who died by the way from gunshot wounds…seems to somewhat negate his quote…”fuck the 5’0..”..comical quote…to the rest…are there bad cops..yes..are there good cops..yes..is it retarded to hate them all because of some that are bad?..yes..geez…if u wonder why they are defensive why dont u google the words “police/died/line of duty/memorial/statistics”…

  • http://hammeroftruth.com james

    and ed ur comment made no sense…take an english class or get a ged…

  • http://hammeroftruth.com kevin

    allright most a yall are on the right track IF the cop was attacked by those kids then he had the right to defend himself IF he had someone in handcuffs then he had to continue to restrain that person IF he worked at the school he probably didnt have a car to restrain that person IF that were the case then he probably had to hold onto him with at least one hand so the kid is probably right he probably did shoot with only one hand IF there were a crowd of teenagers all moving toward him and they were being called on by his prisoner he probably was scared(u would be)IF he was scared for his life then he would draw his gun(it is his best weapon for defense and also occasionally snaps people back to reality and calms them down)IF he pulls his gun and tells them to back off and they dont but instead continue to come at him then he would at that time(according to Texas Law for better or worse)be justified in pulling the trigger he didnt shoot more of em cause they stopped(heck who wouldnt)

  • http://hammeroftruth.com AZ

    what the hell ed? see comment 44 for pure confusion and an understanding of the evils of public education!!

  • Hammer of Common Sense

    >how about the people that are paid to protect u from
    >urselves just quit then”¦the next time u get robbed or
    >your car gets stolen…

    Let them quit and then lets get some people who will protect us from real criminals instead of trying to protect us from ourselves and who are turning this country into a police state. And let us protect ourselves by exercising our 2nd Amendment rights.

  • P

    FUK DA POLICE

  • Jabial

    Why are all the comments I see here one-sided?
    I mean, all I read is either “he’s a cop so he’s right”, or “he’s a cop so he’s wrong”.

    There’s a man in that uniform.

    You think there would be no cops in a libertarian society? Yes there would be cops, they just wouldn’t work for “the state”. There is a need for professional security enforcers, or what we get is anomy, not anarchy.

    The article is biased because no hard fact tells us that the cop lied – and if you don’t believe cops get attacked, you must live in Mars. Cops die every day while doing their job.

    Some comments here are biased too, because there is also no evidence that the arrest was justified ; if it was not, the kids had every right to defend themselves against the cop. I don’t find it probable, but still, unjust arrests, whether lawful (drugs) or not, happen everyday.

    Still, if the arrest was just, there is no reason why the policeman shouldn’t defend himself with a gun.

  • disinter

    Cops die every day while doing their job.

    And so do their victims. What were you saying about being biased?

  • Julian

    Mike Nelson

    You are so anti-cop that I believe you must be on the criminal side of the fence and/or have something to hide. Why do you hate cops so much? All your comments everywhere hint at that position. Those in blue aren’t always wrong.

    I am not saying cops are always right or the criminal justice system is fair. There are way too many examples to prove the “system” is not working but why not look at the problem in its entirety.

    Until we have libertarian utopia as you desire, it is the best we have. Quit bitching and work to change the system. You are young enough and have the time to make a difference. I tried during my lifetime but made no difference at all. Maybe you will.

    ABOUT PUBLIC EDUCATION

    It is truly scary when reading some of your comments. Most of you are proof positive of the complete failure of public education. You are unable to write a complete sentence or get close to proper punctuation. Do you morons speak the same as you write?

  • disinter

    Julian,

    I found the perfect house for you:

    http://www.oneofakindhouse.com/fortress.html

  • disinter

    Julian,

    Yes, anyone that questions the police is automatically a criminal with something to hide. *rolls eyes*

  • Julian

    Mike Nelson

    Thanks for the tip. It has given me additional ideas for the bunker/bomb shelter I am building. I have most of the other bases covered.

  • http://freelancify.com Nigel Watt

    James, it’s amusing to see you making fun of ed’s comment making no sense, when yours did not contain a single sentence.

    Evidently the fact that the kid who was shot was not participating is flying right over all y’all’s heads.

  • Public School Educated

    >Do you morons speak the same as you write?

    No, mahn….I speak ebonics…

  • Please

    I blame the police, I don’t live where this happened but everywhere in the united states the police tend to be corrupt and think they’re god. Why the fuck would you ASK for trouble because a few kids are standing the fuck next to eachother? Oh… lemme go over there and try to take one to jail for no fucking reason… What the fuck…!!! Stupid mother fucking cops, most of the time they just piss people off and abuse their ‘power’ with no reason what so ever.

    I was about 12 yrs old and a fense got ripped open in my neighborhood, me and some friends were playin football a little bit away from the fense and the cops came and thought we did it… comon why the fuck would a few little kids want to break down a fucking fense…

    Next time a cop asks you some stupid shit for no reason ask the same shit back; “Where do you live..?” nigga where the fuck do you live shut the fuck up I didn’t do anything get the fuck outta my fucking face you peice of shit.

  • Geek

    Please –
    If you just talk to them, and stop acting so defensive and offended, maybe the cops would leave you alone. If you were near the fence, it certainly stands to reason that they might ask you some questions, including “did you do it?” and “did you see who did it?” I don’t see anything wrong with either one personally.

    The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

  • Julian

    #59

    Please

    You are another example of the miserable failure of public education. You are truly uneducated, angry and in need of a good beating by your father if you can figure out who he is.

  • paulie

    ”¦imagine that everyday that you go to work you are painfully aware that you may not make it to the drive home”¦

    Ok.
    http://money.cnn.com/2003/10/13/pf/dangerousjobs/

  • paulie

    i think that its funny that people seem so quick to blame the police for everything. of course its also funny that the same people that blame the police for everything generally come from one of two camps. the yuppie/rich/news group(…) and the criminals.

    You forgot anyone who ever has been treated unjustly as a criminal, or knows people who have, which is a lot of people.

    the next time you need the police you will sure be hoping that they arrive quickly”¦

    Why? Most of the time, if you really need them, they get there too late and don’t help anything. But if you’re just going along minding your business, there’s always a good chance they will pull you over and harass you just to make themselves feel big. You see, the terrorists really DO hate us for our freedom.

    especially if the criminals (whom you seem so intent on siding with) are threatening you.

    How about when the cops are the ones doing the threatening? Lots of them are criminals too.

  • paulie

    *****SARCASM ALERT*****
    *****FREE SPEECH ZONE AHEAD*****

    As for the ride-in, I doubt my local PD wants to share their pot with me.

    Why the sarcasm? The level of corruption among police is astounding. When I was engaged in nefarious activities as a teenager it was quite educational what percentage of police officers were on the take. Ever noticed how dope spots in the hood are often close to the police station?

    For a relatively harmless example there was a cop whose first name starts with M in the 34th who did nothing but steal joints and smoke them all night whenever he worked. But most of them were so much worse than that!

    From wife-beating to scaring and beating up random “suspicious looking” people, to extorting sex from prostitutes, to multi-million dollar drug and extortion rackets of their own, it all went on in NYC 34 and numerous other precincts all over the five boroughs, the country, and the world.

  • paulie

    There’s a reason that we have courts and judges.

    Several reasons, actually. One, to shake the public down for a lot of stolen tax money. Two, to create the illusion of justice. Three, to serve those who bribe them (one hand washes the other)…

    Libertarians aren’t anarchists.

    Many of us are.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian

  • http://hammeroftruth.com phill beckman

    To all, I think it is really great that we live in a country where there are no laws against this freedom of speech. I do appreciate that everyone has that right. Many of the anti-police comments that have been made are both very intelligent, and well thought out. Many of them are also very bitter. I think that what has been shown by them most clearly is that you all think if you get rid of the police life will get better. The only problem I have with that notion is that it will only remove half of your trouble i.e. the government bothering you. The other half would be all the more brazen to continue in the destructive choices they have been making. No cops would not equal no crime, just no reporting it. If you had “private” cops then only people with money could afford them. What would give them authority to do anything? How much money they were paid? The system is broken, all of it not just the police. So come up with a real alternative, not just some “Utopian” idea.

  • paulie

    I think officer Medrano did the right thing well almost the right thing he should of done the job right and shot the lot of them ”¦. would of put a stop to the yobby little shits trying to sue the police force :D

    Thanks for advocating mass murder, you fascist scum.

    I’ve seen a lot of police confrontations, but I’ve never seen an officer make an arrest for no reason.

    Hmmm, well I’ve seen plenty arrests for no good reason. Lots of other shit like beatings, extortion, robbery and intimidation by police officers, too.

    YES we should get rid of both the government and the police. Then we can have a “ruler” system based on the Mad Max movies.

    For someone so adept at recognizing propaganda from reporters, you don’t seem to be able to identify it in the movies.

    FUK DA POLICE

    Wear a condom. They get around.

  • paulie

    You are another example of the miserable failure of public education. You are truly uneducated, angry and in need of a good beating by your father if you can figure out who he is.

    Julian is now very superior about his education, yet elsewhere he brags that he has a “peanut brain” and is too stupid to figure out what I and others are saying.

    The other half would be all the more brazen to continue in the destructive choices they have been making.

    Not so, for a myriad of reasons, but we can start with the problems of crime and violence created by artificial scarcity in certain drugs: alcohol prohibition in the 1920s, and the currently illegal drugs today.

    There are numerous other reasons; abrogation of self-defense rights is one, the climate of fear and hatred bred by paramilitarized occupation squads (cops today) is another. Government schools and government housing. Stifling of entrepreneurship and the economy by taxes and regulation. And so on.

  • http://hammeroftruth.com phill beckman

    To paulie. I’ll bet your a pimply faced little kid in Nebraska. You talk to big to be a reality. You seem to have a responce to everything.

    “Hmmm, well I’ve seen plenty arrests for no good reason. Lots of other shit like beatings, extortion, robbery and intimidation by police officers, too.”

    Sure you have paulie, sure you have. I bet you were standing right there watching all that stuff. Grow up, stop lying, and solve the problem that does exist.
    Why don’t you go check out: http://www.proactiv.com.

  • paulie


    No cops would not equal no crime, just no reporting it. If you had “private” cops then only people with money could afford them.

    What makes you say that? Is there no charity in the world? No ability for people to protect themselves or band together for protection? No ability to pool their resources and hire protection as a group?

    What would give them authority to do anything?

    Mutual arbitration agreements, common law, and the self-interest of business and commerce to preserve a peaceful climate for trade.

    What gives you the authority to do anything? Regime edicts? From where does their authority stem?

  • http://hammeroftruth.com phill beckman

    “There are numerous other reasons; abrogation of self-defense rights is one, the climate of fear and hatred bred by paramilitarized occupation squads (cops today) is another. Government schools and government housing. Stifling of entrepreneurship and the economy by taxes and regulation. And so on.”
    All unproven theory, as well as very cocky of you to believe that you can fix it. You still didn’t address the most important issue, the poor. They can’t afford “Private Police” and they can’t afford to live in a “nongovernment house” or attend your “private schools”.

  • paulie

    I’ll bet your a pimply faced little kid in Nebraska.

    Guess again. I’m not a kid, and I wasn’t what you would call a kid even when I was.

    Sure you have paulie, sure you have.

    Yep, I sure have. Care to prove otherwise?

    Grow up,

    Check.

    stop lying,

    I’m not lying. Are you? Are you really a cop or just a wannabe? Inquiring minds want to know.

    and solve the problem that does exist.

    Working on it.

    Thanks for the pimple cure. Here’s one for what ails your mind:

    http://www.preparationh.com/

  • http://hammeroftruth.com phill beckman

    “Mutual arbitration agreements, common law, and the self-interest of business and commerce to preserve a peaceful climate for trade”
    Check out the current international trade climate. Nothing peaceful about it. REAL world tip: No One Cares About YOU, just themselves. In your so-called perfect system you would have to change not just the “system” but also the people themselves.
    For more information on people who thought that they would live peacefully in community “banded together for mutual protection” check out Warren Jeffs. Who decides what’s right or wrong in your system? Individuals? What if one group decides that marrying girls at 7 years old is okay? Or another group decides that murder is okay? You are talking about a system filled with happy little robots, not human beings.

  • paulie

    All unproven theory, as well as very cocky of you to believe that you can fix it.

    I don’t know whether I can fix it. As for unproven theory, there’s plenty of empirical evidence.

    You still didn’t address the most important issue, the poor. They can’t afford “Private Police” and they can’t afford to live in a “nongovernment house” or attend your “private schools”.

    Of course they can. The regime keeps poor people poor.

    I’ve been poor myself, so I know how it works.

    There’s a vested interest in having poor people stay that way – it’s called poverty pimping, and the regime strives off of it just as it does off terror. It never solves these problems, just makes them worse, and creates new ones which always leads to more government “solutions” – what’s known as a vicious cycle.

  • http://hammeroftruth.com phill beckman

    paulie, I concede that we will never agree. You have really instilled confidence in your claims with a constant sensational attitude about your life. You remind me of many people I have had the “pleasure” of meeting in person. Can’t tell one story to them without them wanting to tell one that’s better. You know what, I’ll bet you that your whole life has been spent watching movies and TV. You sit at your computer desk daily looking for opportunity to impress people online because you are to afraid to talk to anyone in person. You probably never even met a criminal or lived near New York City. And, you’ve probably never tried to do anything to help anyone but yourself.
    I am a police officer, whatever you think of me for that I actually enjoy my job. I have done a lot for my community by doing my job. I have had many people tell me that I am the nicest cop they ever met. Why? Because I actually take the time to listen. If anyone here’s real life is at question it’s yours.

  • http://hammeroftruth.com phill beckman

    “It never solves these problems, just makes them worse, and creates new ones which always leads to more government “solutions” – what’s known as a vicious cycle.”

    I could not agree with you more. I am politically with you paulie, just not practically.

  • paulie

    Check out the current international trade climate.

    Yes, lots of interference from regimes big and small over the world.

    Who decides what’s right or wrong in your system? Individuals?

    Who decides it in yours, gods? They are individuals too, and calling themselves a government doesn’t change it.

    What if one group decides that marrying girls at 7 years old is okay?

    They will have to decide whether it’s worth fighting over.

    Or another group decides that murder is okay?

    What about when governments decide murder is ok?

    http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/MURDER.HTM

    And yes, it can happen here

    http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/MURDER.HTM

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amadou_Diallo_(shooting_victim)

    need more examples?

    You are talking about a system filled with happy little robots, not human beings.

  • paulie

    You are talking about a system filled with happy little robots, not human beings.

    Nope.

    You have really instilled confidence in your claims with a constant sensational attitude about your life.

    LOL. I haven’t told you shit. If I told you the whole story then you would really be 100% sure I was full of shit, but that’s life, I lived it so I don’t give a fuck what you think, officer.

    You know what, I’ll bet you that your whole life has been spent watching movies and TV.

    Nah. haven’t had much time for that.

    You sit at your computer desk daily looking for opportunity to impress people online because you are to afraid to talk to anyone in person.

    LOL. As part of my job I talk to hundreds of people every day. Which reminds me, I need to get off here and go to work.

    You probably never even met a criminal or lived near New York City. And, you’ve probably never tried to do anything to help anyone but yourself.

    LOLOL, if you only knew.

  • paulie
  • http://hammeroftruth.com phill beckman

    “I don’t give a fuck what you think, officer”
    Spoken like one truly intelligent person, but thankyou. You have just confirmed what I am with your own words. Good bye paulie, and good luck.

  • paulie

    Last word for now, ofdficer Phil. I don’t hate all cops. Here’s a cyber-donut for you.

    http://www.cafepress.com/buy/donut/cop

    Just some of them….

    http://www.policeabuse.org/

  • paulie

    OK I lied…maybe one or two more.

    Spoken like one truly intelligent person, but thankyou.

    You’re welcome. Given the tone you’ve taken with me, I’m probably being too nice, if anything.

    You have just confirmed what I am with your own words.

    I’ll take you at your word, even though I have no reason to believe you, and you make unwarranted assumptions about me, even though you have no raeson to doubt me.

    http://policewatch.us/system/

  • disinter

    I am a police officer

    Your lack of intellect gave that away long ago… but thanks for clarifying.

  • Julian

    Phil Beckman

    Please understand that some libertarian representation here is the lunatic fringe, i.e. the anarchists that believe in some type of utopia that requires no order but the order that the goodness of human hearts will prevail.

    All of us don’t buy into this small, very small group of lunatics we are working to purge from our movement.

    Paulie

    Yes, I have a peanut brain, a Georgia peanut brain. I was reared and educated in rural Georgia during the 1950′s and attended a 4 room wooden school with no frills through 7th grade. Even the heat was by a wooden pot bellied stove. What does multimillion dollar buildings have to do with education?

    You embarrass all of us when you disrespect anyone and everyone that visits this site. What the hell is wrong with you? I believe the Libertarian Reform Caucus movement will prevail and you and your trash anarchists will be purged from a fine political party.

    Go where you truly belong, the Anarchist Party.

  • paulie

    he anarchists that believe in some type of utopia that requires no order but the order that the goodness of human hearts will prevail.

    No, we don’t. However, we don’t believe that an evil monopoly which gives itself unnatural “rights” to initiate force can either create order or make people good.

    All of us don’t buy into this small, very small group of lunatics we are working to purge from our movement.

    It’s our movement. You can call yourself a libertarian, a maharaja, a Buddhist, a chess master, a commissar, a billionaire, or Napoleon – but that don’t make it so. If you don’t believe in the philosophy of liberty –

    http://isil.org/resources/introduction.swf

    - which you don’t – that means you are not a libertarian.

    You embarrass all of us when you disrespect anyone and everyone that visits this site.

    I do no such thing.

    What does multimillion dollar buildings have to do with education?

    Nothing. But it’s funny how you have a “peanut brain” (…)

  • paulie

    (…85…) one minute, and chide people for their lack of education the next.

    What the hell is wrong with you?

    Nothing that your jackbooted regime thugs won’t fix.

    I believe the Libertarian Reform Caucus movement will prevail and you and your trash anarchists will be purged from a fine political party.

    (cue music) I believe the children are our future….(/music) Well, wishing won’t make it so, but if the Deform Caucus does succeed in completely hijacking the LP, that will just be its death knell, and it will go the way of the Reform Party.

    Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

    Go where you truly belong, the Anarchist Party.

    That’s where I am and have been all along. The pledge I signed is an anarchist pledge. I stand by it, unlike LP Deformers who admit they commited fraud when they signed it.

    http://reformthelp.org/party/pledge/bait.php

  • paulie

    And yes, it is and always was an aanrchist pledge.

    http://knappster.blogspot.com/2006/02/i-pledge-allegiance-to-what.html

  • paulie

    trash anarchists will be purged

    Ja wohl, herr kommissar! Purge ze untermenschen anarchisten und dem Juden raus! Platform and bylaws committee work will set us free! Today the LP, tomorrow the world!

  • http://hammeroftruth.com jason

    wow, just read the comments on this page, complete waste of time, paulie’s an ass.

  • paulie