Just like the rest of the country, the rhetoric on this site is intensifying as a result of the new Abu Ghraib photos. Salon just published an even newer batch of them. Beware, there is a lot of blood and nudity in the latest of the torture photos.
The people responsible will be or have been punished. That’s the difference between the old and new Iraq. In the old, those responsible for the much wider torture going on were not held accountable – they were actually government sanctioned.
Wrong answer, dude. Only the lower level heads have rolled — but not the senior ones most responsible for this.
Vietnam veteran Julian (when not fighting with Pauli and Artus) defended Trevor with:
Glad to see you are still around. Most of these jack asses don’t know you are in Irag and are in the army. You are the real eyewitness to history.
Guess what? I’ve spent over a decade in the Army, and find the actions at Abu Ghraib absolutely deplorable. I’ve been the eyewitness to history that Julian described; I was stationed in Germany when the wall fell. I am still proud of my minor role in tearing it down, too. While I can expect a ration of shit from people like Artus and Pauli, they should know that I got out for two reasons: doubts about the first Iraqi War followed by Clinton’s absolute disrespect and misuse of the military.
Should America ever be truly threatened by some other country, I’ll be in the front of the line to defend her. I’m neither a pacifist nor a member of the left — no matter what the WSJ says about my actions. I volunteered to help defend my country — not to offend other countries. We’ve clearly lost sight of the concept of a defensive military since WWII. It may be notable that we haven’t actually had a constitutionally declared war since then, either.
Julian seems to think that bravery (and the right to hold an opinion about things military) should be reserved for those who have served. OK, dude — I’ve done my time, and then some, and then some more. Perhaps he and others like him will at least listen to me.
This war is bullshit. We attacked the wrong frigging people. Saddam Hussein did not kill 3,000 people on 9/11. There are no WMDs. Saddam Hussein is in jail now — negating yet another reason stated for going to war. We have no reason to be in Iraq right now. None at all.
Our rape and torture of POWs and detainees is deplorable. It serves no purpose. When I was in the Army, had any of my buddies been engaged in such activities, every last one of us would have done what we could to stop it. Not only would most of the troops reported it, commanders would have started serious investigations immediately. At a lower level, they probably would have “blanket-partied” anyone involved. I wouldn’t even rule out the possibility that someone might have fragged an NCO or junior officer involved, too.
That was my Army. Today’s Army is considerably less professional, and suffers from a serious lack of professional military leadership. The civilian leadership is even worse, providing guidelines like the Bush Doctrine which expands our offensive role.
America needs to wake up to what our military is doing and insist that it resume a defensive role, as opposed to an expansionistic one. Perhaps this latest round of extremely twisted pictures will open a few more eyes.