no reaction from me required. Whatever.

Yet Gary has worked in well over 30 states and NH is one of only three I remember him saying he’d rather never go back to.

Gary, and Christy (who also worked NH) both told me that Babiarz told them to stop petitioning early. Christy had eighteen petitioners on her crew.

Christy said that Babiarz and Kafoury (Nader national ballot access coordinator) both told her to double-petition in NH.

Kafoury and Redpath both told us to double-petition in Pennsylvania, and Klymer (Constitution Party) told Andy to double-petition LP and CP but Dan Martino of the PA Nader campaign told us that was illegal in PA so we left.

Thought about doing Nader in MD, decided to do LP in DC. Many of our other people (but not us) also worked Nader in DC, where we can. We did Nader in VA for one day, a mistake and disaster, and then both in Alabama where it’s also legal.

Back to the NH issue: Babiarz is running as a D and his wife as R hm

1)True, but you (actually, “anonymous source”) quoted by Trinward (probably your bud Babiarz?) claimed 3900-4800, which BTW would often not be enough to get 3000 valid in many states, especially with the CD distribution requirement. Gary says Redpath told him less than 3000 TOTAL. I tend to believe Redpath above “anonymous source”.

2) Collective blame is for collectivists.

3) 600 signatures by three people in three days is crap. Gary’s done close to 600 in one day by himself before.

What would you have suggested I do instead, Seth – put a gun to voters’ heads and force them to sign?

Geeeeezzzzz

Who in the heck told you that I changed any facts?? Who in the heck told you that I “clearly” didn’t screen ineligible voters?? Who in the heck told you that I “reversed” anything by saying that NH collecting was hard?? (I have stated all along that it was hard, as in it taking three ciculators three days to collect a mere 600 signatures can attest.) Who the heck told you that we collected sigs that weren’t valid??

I am seriously wondering about your ability at reasoning, or common sense, as items 1-4 (above) make no sense whatsoever.

Why do you insist on attacking paid circulators who are earnestly trying to tell you what we collected, how we collected them, how long it took us to collect them, and who told us to collect them? And why do you attack the national ballot access coordinator who earnestly tallied up the signatures from the totals he was given by those on the ground in NH?

1) Nobody ever claimed 3K-4K in _each district, that’s sum total between the 2. 1.5K in each.
2) If you are a paid petitioner, it’s your job to ensure that signers are eligible. Clearly, you (collectively) didn’t.
3) Paulie blames the locals for their not collecting, and yet says how hard it was for paid people to help collect. Then you say how you collected 600 in 2-3 days, now you reverse and say that it was hard, in which case, why lay blame on the locals? I suspect your signature collecting more and more as flawed.
4) The worst is your attempt to insinuate that Babiarz “had something up his sleeve”, again, laying blame on the locals, instead of on those at fault: people like you who collected sigs that weren’t valid, but were paid for them regardless, and the officials who didn’t certify sigs in a timely manner.

As for Nader sigs interfering with Badnarik sigs, why don’t you consider that that possibility could occur even WITHOUT any circulators double-petitioning, if the respective Nader and Badnarik circulators were in close proximity to each other, drawing from the same pool of voters. However, even if this occurred, it’s a moot point given the fact that less than 2K Badnarik sigs were collected in each district (per Redpath’s count).

Why we were told not to collect more than 600 would be an excellent question for John Babiarz, not for me. Could be he had something up his sleeve? I don’t know.

Seth, that much is true. The issue then, becomes: who’s the one with the motivation to issue the false version, Redpath or Babiarz? Myself, I find Redpath more credible. If there indeed exists 3K or 4K signatures in each House District, let’s produce copies of them and prove Redpath wrong, once and for all? Until such a thing can be done, I must assume that volume of sigs never existed. That’s just reason and logic.

NH sigs WERE difficult to collect, it was like pulling teeth to get NHers to sign, the typical voter would just stand there like a retard and look at the petition, never comment, and then just walk away, despite eloquent summonings for them to sign. I very well may have said that I won’t work NH again, due to this.

And what’s conflicting about the fact that my team of 3 dug in our heels on a difficult task and made sure that we nevertheless collected the 600?

I trust those who have said we had enough raw sigs here, and the problem was the certifications. You claim that _you_ did no double signing (ie having someone who signed for Nader), among other things, yet I have heard differently, and it’s clear (google for it) that Nader petitioners were a problem, since it ended up in the Ballot Law Commission’s lap.

By the way, Bill Redpath has been a highly credible source on ballot access issues for over 15 years, as well as an accomplished executive Certified Public Accountant for almost 30 years. He is now LP nat’l chariman. He has never once lied to, or otherwise misled me about any signature numbers (or any numbers), and I think his competence in such matters speaks for itself.

Thus you’ll have to pardon me if I lend more credence to Bill’s assessment of the signature totals than yours.

Sincerely,

Gary L. Fincher

On what possible basis can you, armed with absolutely no knowledge of my work schedule in NH, assert that I did a “poor job”? What if I told you that the NH ballot coordinator instructed that I & my team collect exactly 600 signatures, and absolutely no more under any circumstances, and that these signatures were collected promptly and timely in a matter of 2 or 3 days? Shouldn’t your “poor job” jab be directed at the coordinators rather than the circulators? Your audacity is breathtaking.

I realize this is an imperfect comparison for many reasons (mostly economic), but it’s more like this:

The McDonalds corporation (the LP) decides to throw out parts of the menu and support the individual franchise restaurants (LP candidates) in selling the food items they feel are best provided they do it under the McDonalds franchise (fundamental Libertarian beliefs.) The restaurants can continue to serve the same food items though they no longer have to, or they can vary slightly. They can also emphasise different products which are more pertainant to their areas.

You’ve obviously forgotten our prior conversation about this. I’m not going to answer any of your questions for two reasons. 1) to irritate you; and 2) because I am wholly, completely, and entirely confident that my own work for the Party has been of far longer duration than yours, has involved more actual work (as opposed to blathering endlessly on every blog I could find), has resulted in the recruitment of more supporters, has entailed more hours holding petitions, and has meant I’ve held more public offices than you.

You will never get more of an answer than that. Let it drive you crazy if you want. It’s you who has been running around for the past two years attempting to denounce, discredit, and (ultimately) purge people like me. You should be defensive. I’ve spent most of the long interims between my posts doing Party work. Meanwhile, there you sit, dazzled by your own wit and wisdom about how stupid folks like me are and how we’ve done everything wrong, and how we have the wrong “mindset”.

The fact that you continue to respond to me is evidence that I get under yours.

And yes. People who prescribe medicine when they aren’t credentialed doctors does get under my skin. Sloppy, and entirely emotion-based thinking do kinda get under my skin. People who engage in it cheapen the entire human race. Same as a mosquito irritates me enough to give it a smack-down once in a while.

Expert Sez: “I’m not gonna fuck with you detailing my campaign. What purpose would it serve?”

Because poking holes in your sloppy excuses for logic occasionally entertains me.

Besides, I could never compete with you and your motormouth allies (such as Wilson), who sit behind sloppy desks while engaging in sloppy thinking self-righteously distributing their sloppy work on multiple blogs every day. You guys have come as far as you have only because of sheer volume. I hesitate to think of how many hours your multiple-blog “work” squanders. Those you dislike and wish to drum out of the Party are outside running info tables and interacting with voters.

Well, who cares if Carl wants to attack the LP. Hell, in NH we have Democats, Independents, and Republicans that don’t care for the LP working hard to increase freedom. The FSP is not related to one party and neither is the NH freedom movement.

Carl or anyone else is welcome in NH, as far as I am concerned.

David Tomlin: Mostly I either argue for a conclusion, or indicate that I’m only expressing my opinion. You constantly make flat assertions, accumulating into a subtext of ‘people should believe what I say just because I, Timothy West, say so.’

Julianne – quite a fevered imagination you have, dear.

Retired capitalist self-employed).

Investing is my primary hobby.

Hassling really stupid people on the internet is my passion.

What do you do?

A permanent traveler? How? Hitching rides with OTR truck drivers and hanging out at truck stops? How do you make a living? Is it legal? (Forget what you think is legal or illegal). Do you dabble in drug sales or other sales? How about gun running? I heard through the grapevine you may be the person to talk to about automatic weapons, missles and explosives not that I want any. Since you do not believe in illegality, why not?

You could do the disservice you are already probably doing to any facsimile of order since you are an extremist anarchist with hints of supporting violent overthrow of the USA without directly saying it.

You do a very delicate dance with words, probably trying to stay one step ahead of BATFE, DEA, etc. Good for you, girl. Let’s see if you get away with it.

I looked at the PDF of the election results and counted by hand the number of seats (to verify I wasn’t missing any) and the number that only had one name associated with it. You may verify that here:
http://www.sec.state.ma.us/ele/eleres/stateeleres04.pdf

Now you might say a 58k to 11k result is barely contested, but it counts as contested in my tally. In house races, in the 7th Bristol district the Democrat got 9657 and the Libertarian got 1668, there was no Republican on the ballot. A few other seats saw Republicans getting a worse beating heads up against a Democrat.

To be honest I’ve heard that as many as 75% of the seats in the state house go uncontested. That may include “barely contested” seats, or maybe 2004 was an unusual year. 2002′s results are online but require a lot more attention to decipher, and I ain’t doing it.