Hate Mongering

I stumbled across the Westboro Baptist Church’s website tonight and I am glad I did. It does wonders for exposing bible thumping extremists for what they really are.

From their FAQ:

Why do you preach hate?

Because the Bible preaches hate.

Good enough, but what about the military?

Here are some axiomatic matters of fact:

These turkeys are not heroes. They are lazy, incompetent idiots looking for jobs because they’re not qualified for honest work.

They were raised on a steady diet of fag propaganda in the home, on TV, in church, in school, in mass media – everywhere – the two-pronged lie: 1) It’s OK to be gay; and, 2) Anyone saying otherwise, like WBC, is a hatemonger who must be vilified, demonized, marginalized into silence.

Therefore, with full knowledge of what they were doing, they voluntarily joined a fag-infested army to fight for a fag-run country now utterly and finally forsaken by God who Himself is fighting against that country.

They turned America
Over to fags;
They’re coming home
In body bags.

America used an IED to bomb Westboro Baptist Church on August 20,1995 – an act of terror aimed at terrorizing us into discontinuing our nationwide Gospel preaching against the homosexual menace.

When America thus became WBC’s terrorist, God became America’s Terrorist.

Therefore the IED is God’s weapon of choice in avenging Westboro Baptist Church by blowing America’s kids to smithereens in Iraq. And the carnage has barely begun.

Thus, their funerals are the forum of choice for delivering WBC’s message of choice.

Bizarre.

posted by disinter
  • http://billandkent.com Bill

    You are trying to apply logic where there is none.

    Hate has no reasoning behind it. It exists because we keep it alive. If Fred Phelps didn’t have an audience, he and his godhatesfags.com site wouldn’t exist. That is what America has become, a nation of haters, and right now at this period in time, the target is gay people. Forty years ago, it was black people. And after gays, assuming we ever get to a point that we aren’t hated, who will be next?

    Welcome to my world.

    Bill

  • Stephen Gordon

    Bill,

    I’ve been conflicted about whether to trash Phelps or ignore him for some time.

    There are a lot of people like him in the mainstream who do need to either be exposed or to provide negative feedback for them to become as engaged as Phelps is in hatemongering.

    Likewise, the axiom which states that any publicity is better than none at all may hold true for Phelps.

    My best guess is to only bring him up when it serves my purposes best.

    Curious about your thoughts on the topic.

  • http://www.bigexpensiveanimal.blogspot.com Nehemiah

    As an Army PAO, serving in Iraq, typing these words while waiting for a helicopter, I am deeply offended by these people and what they do. Unfortunately, I have ran across them before, they have visited several military funerals before and we have had to treat them with whatever amount of legally sanctioned “rspect” we can stomach. One sheriff in Kentucky had the best line, he told them they had ten minutes to leave. Of course they protested and started with the right to protest, etc. He calmly replied that they could stay as long as they liked, but he would leave in ten minutes, and thus, theire protection. They left.

    However, your comment about Bible-thumping and exposing them for what they really are is stepping too far in the direction of these ne-Christians. I read the Bible daily and am active in my church. I don’t hate anyone and hope I never have to defend myself over here. By making a hasty generalization, and a sweeping stereotype, you are coming close to the people you criticize.

  • Bible is Bull

    Wake up already. The bible is bullshit. How any person can look at it, and take it literally is beyond me. The content to be included was voted on, certain scriptures were left out. The bible is a man made book, get over it already. You might as well be reading The Cat in the Hat. May I suggest Green eggs and ham?

  • Julian

    Nehemiah

    There are hate mongerers on both sides. The comment posted by “Bible is Bull” proves the point. I commend you for your service. I comment on this site quite often and support you and your comrades in arms 100%. I hope you will continue to comment and give us some info on what you see and experience in Iraq.

    Most of the people that blog and comment on this site are immature and closed minded about what is really happening on the war on terror, particularly in Iraq. It is critical that we have people like you that give us a different perspective. Your blog is superb. I hope some of the readers of this site will take the time to read it.

    I am a lone voice in the wilderness with these people and they hammer me constantly because I don’t always agree with them. Read as many of the blogs for the past month and particularly the past several days. See what I was called when I challenged a hypothesis.

    Phelps is way out of line and as a veteran, I will challenge him the next time our paths cross. He seems to like to make multiple trips to Colorado Springs and Denver to espouse his hate mongering and I will be there.

    I have supported you and your comrades even to the point of being arrested at an antiwar demonstration as a counterdemonstrator. I was called a terrorist and lies were said to get rid of me.

    My email is julianvandyke@hotmail.com. I would like to hear from you personally and exchange thoughts. God bless you and your fellow soldiers. Stay safe and duck.

  • http://www.bigexpensiveanimal.blogspot.com Nehemiah

    Yeah, I like this site too. Don’t always agree with the content or comments, but I don’t have to be a part of group think or be a conformist. That’s one of the reasons I like the libertarian party and philosophy. Generally, though, this is a great site and I’ll keep visiting, and commenting when I can. Bill can think what he wants, if that makes him happy. He doesn’t sound happy.

    Thanks for the support, I’m going to keep blogging from over here, sometimes difficult to get time to post.

  • http://hammeroftruth.com/about Jake Porter

    Nehemiah and Julian,

    First of all thanks for serving your country. You are both heroes I don’t care what others have said.

    Nehemiah,

    I would like to hear more comments from you on a lot of different posts, I have read your blog and it is very interesting. My prayers are with you and God Bless.

    Mr. Phelps has a right to free speech but he also needs to learn that protesting soldiers funerals is not going to make anyone more likely to agree with him. Remember that the sin not the sinner is what we are told to condemn. And only God can judge.

  • rickrajter

    Nehemiah,

    Thanks for stopping in. Keep blogging. I like to see the perspectives from those actually there. Hopefully they won’t restrict your ability.

    Cheers

  • Shirley Phelps-Roper

    Thanks for “exposing” us. :)

    We have worked so hard for 15 years to get these words before the eyes of this nation. Our job Nehemiah is to cause America to know her abominations. This is a filthy nation that will not obey the voice of the Lord their God. The dope that printed those words above and then called himself “exposing” us – yea – let us go with that. All I know is that every son and daughter of Adam is going to have to stand before the Lord their God in the great and terrible Day of Judgment. Now, every person that read and responded to this blog is going to be without excuse! You can’t tell God that you did not know, because Mad Mike Nelson published our words and you read them and you rejected them. Thanks Mike!!!

    As for Nehemiah – is that your real name? OR – did you take on that name because you think it makes you sound righteous? WHATEVER the answer – I would recommend that you get your cowardly, slovenly God hating backside over to the book of Nehemiah and see what that prophet was up to and what HE did! I’m taking the guy was kicking ass and taking names!! AWESOME!!! He smacked those guys around LITERALLY – and he reminded the Lord his God of his deeds that he did in an effort to keep those sorry backsliding Jews from bringing the condign wrath of God upon their ignorant heads and asked God to remember it for his good!!! If you are going to take on a good name, don’t fail to get to the bottom of the deeds of your name sake!

    Magormissabib!!

    Anathema Maranatha!!

    Shirley Phelps-Roper

  • West

    This past spring the city of Santa Fe NM was visited by the Westboro Baptist church of Topeka, Kansas –as you know is a hateful, militant group that promotes words of hate and death as though it were God’s word.

    The story below demonstrates how this church is perceived by the general public and as history has demonstrated – people like this can go along way to diminish the rights of all people in the world.

    Following is a statement that was published in a New Mexico newspaper. The statement was made by a person who opposed the message of this church.

    Poet Joanna Cattonar, 63, waved a large placard with the words: “Fear + Ignorance = Bigotry.” She said she got her orders to attend the rally from Vice President Dick Cheney.
    “When the vice president was speaking at the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz, he said that hatred and intolerance must be opposed before they turn into action,” she said.

    Cattonar said some activists suggested ignoring the anti-gay group. “But what happened when people ignored the situation in the 1930’s? It led Hitler to power”

    How can freedom of speech continue to protect people like this, while their actions directly affect others by denying the freedom for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? Is this freedom of speech, or just freedom to spread HATE?

    This Westboro Baptist church hates the Gay-Community, African-Americans, Canada, Sweden, the Fire Department of NY, victims of 911, Christian Churches, The Pope, Judaism, America, Our American Troops, and the list goes on and on. Many of the groups they despise are specifically named on their hate propaganda, picket signs, and their many websites. They not only hate, but wish death on all that they abhor.

    This sick, so called church spreads its hate through picketing in our streets, provoking attacks, with abusive vulgar language. Worst of all, they endanger their own young children, having them man the front lines in their combative demonstrations – attempting to create a confrontation and cause for one more of their frivolous lawsuits.

    The city of Topeka, the state of Kansas and the U.S. at large, its citizens and their Churches, schools and events are all held hostage by this “hate group” – always at the tax payer’s expense.

    THE HATE MUST STOP!!!

    Thank you for your time.
    – a very concerned citizen

  • Pridesaver

    Good Comment. Shirley are you ever nice. I did not think so.

  • http://www.bigexpensiveanimal.blogspot.com nehemiah

    I had to check back in to see what came of this discussion. Is that THE Shirley? Wow, that’s really ugly. No, Nehemiah is not my real name, because I work with the media, I did that to protect my family. Nehemiah is one of my favorite books in the Bible. He’s a leader who brought people together during a time of difficulty and restored dignity to a people who needed restoration and renewal. He was also a warrior who was not afraid to make tough decisions to protect his people. I thought it would be a good role model for me and hopefully for others.

    Though I disagree with some of the things said here, I respect your right to say them. I like this site because it’s a good reference for ways and means of limiting government and for reducing the intrusiveness that centralized planning has on our lives. This site, to me is about working smarter towards a common goal, and that goal is greater personal liberty.

    My church is one of love and acceptance. Yes God will judge us all. And yes, God showed a wrath towards those who disobeyed. But more than that, far more than that, God showed love for all people. I think that greater message is what is missing from Ms. Phelps and others like her.

    As for the service, just doing my job. Thanks and keep up the blogging.

  • Rachel I. Hockenbarger

    Watch out for IEDs, Nehemiah.

    Didn’t you mean to say that your “church” is one of sloppy agape love, who believes in a god that willy-nilly “loves” everyone regardless of what they do?

    Sell that “God showed love for all people” to the recent hurricane victims. I bet they weren’t feeling the love, Ne.

  • Julian

    Shirley-Phelps Roper

    You are using the First Amendment as a means to destroy the freedoms of others. You believe you and only you and your followers have the right, somehow bestowed by God, to disrupt other peoples lives. When someone like me and my veteran brothers show up at your despicable, hate spewing demonstrations, you want our freedom of assembly and speech revoked.

    Got news for you and your hate spewing church…we will keep coming and keep coming and keep coming to your demonstrations. We cannot allow you and yours to exercise your freedoms to take ours away. Demonstrate and spread your hate messages all you want. It will not work because all you do is empower us. See you again in Colorado Springs and anywhere I choose to show up. My friends and I will not give you a free pass. We will continue to show up in force. There are more of us than there are of you. Remember that.

    It is our duty to defend your rights under the Constitution by exercising our rights. You will not be successful in using the Constitution to establish a Nazi type totalitarian government on the rest of us. Oh, by the way, you jew hater, were the not God’s chosen people? You take what you want from the Bible and disregard the rest of the teachings. What kind of belief system is that?

    See ya later.

  • Rachel I. Hockenbarger

    Julian –

    Let’s get back to the basics. Constitutional rights belong to individual persons, and can only be infringed on by government, not other people. Government comes in the form of police officers, government officials, judges and politicians. No member of Westboro Baptist Church is acting in a governmental capacity on the picket line.

    Further, to establish any government, a person or group must have political or governmental power. Members of WBC have no such power. The only power we have is moral suasion, and we intend to use it to fulfill the commandment from God to “love thy neighbor as thyself”. Do yourself a favor, Julian, and look up the word “Nazi” before you keep misapplying it and embarassing yourself.

    Please do keep coming and coming to our demonstrations, and bring more and more people. Each time one of you old farts open your mouth to oppose our message, you publish it all the more. And that, Julian, is our sole purpose — to publish a message so everyone that sees or hears it will have zero excuse on the Judgement Day.

    See you soon!

  • Julian

    Rachel I. Hochenbarger

    Why is it when we show up, you back down? Is it because you fear the truth and are unwilling to take a real stand?

    Call off the police and we will see if you are truly prepared to meet your maker.

  • Pridesaver

    We back down because you stand behind your children, and a lind of police that you have called in to save you just in case we do make a move. You would think god would be enough to save you. You have NO truth. As for judgement day, it is your day too.

  • Rachel I. Hockenbarger

    Julian and Pridesaver –

    Are you threatening to kill us? Gee, that doesn’t sound very loving or tolerant. But, then we already knew you were a murderer because you are of your father the devil (John 8:44).

    If God did allow you to harm or kill us, that would change exactly NOTHING. God still hates fags; God still hates America; America is still doomed! Killing us won’t bring one dead soldier back, and it certainly won’t stop God from killing more American soldiers every day with IEDs.

    We are you grumpy-stumps going to get it? This isn’t about us. Disabuse yourselves of any notion that any man is protecting us from you violent beasts. We know that greater is them that is with us than them that are with the world.

  • Pridesaver

    Did you see the word kill, as with your great “the BOMB” story (now ten years old now and still going) you over blow everthing in your line of sight. Why would we want to kill you, you are the best road show this side of Ringling.

    Now as for John 8:44 “You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires.” I think this a line you should think about before you put it out there. Are you thinking of Rev. Phelps(and has nothing to do with the truth–also from John 8:44) or some other father.

    Just one last thing. If it is not about you then why do you have so many photos of YOU on your web site.